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Hall of Merit: 1932 Ballot Discussion

1932 (August 15)—elect 2
WS W3 Rookie Name-Pos (Died)

266 65.1 1913 Wilbur Cooper-P (1973)
215 70.4 1913 Hooks Dauss-P (1963)
243 60.1 1909 Babe Adams-P (1968)
227 51.1 1910 Stuffy McInnis-1B (1960)
206 59.6 1918 Ross Youngs-RF (1927)
142 38.5 1914 Everett Scott-SS (1960)
134 37.0 1912 Hank Severeid-C (1968)
157 32.0 1914 Jimmy Johnston-3B/RF (1967)
106 25.8 1914 Bill Wambsganss-2B (1985)
105 28.2 1916 Whitey Witt-CF/SS (1988)
120 27.2 1916 Carson Bigbee-LF (1964)
Negro Lg 1910 Louis Santop-C (1942)
Negro Lg 1908 Jose Mendez-P (1928)
Negro Lg 1920 Dobie Moore-SS ()

Thanks to DanG for the necrology:

Players Passing Away in 1931

HoMers
Age Elected

75 1905 Hardy Richardson-2B/LF
73 1903 Roger Connor-1B

Candidates
Age Eligible

79 1894 Jack Burdock-2B
79 1890 George Bradley-P
74 1896 Joe Hornung-LF
72 1900 Charlie Comiskey-1B/Mgr
66 1904 Jimmy McAleer-CF
62 1913 Jack McCarthy-LF
57 1915 Jack Chesbro-P

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: August 02, 2004 at 10:17 AM | 328 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: 1931 Ballot

Harry Hooper, Bobby Veach and George Burns join the ballot for 1931. Also joining is real life Hall of Frischer . . . I mean Hall of Famer Rube Marquard, who wasn’t too deserving and doesn’t figure to get much support here.

We’re only electing one this year. Will it be one of the ones mentioned above or a top holdover like Dickey Pearce, George Van Haltren, Jake Beckley or Lip Pike?

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: July 26, 2004 at 07:12 AM | 198 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: 1930 Results - Sheckard, Caruthers latest HoMers

Jimmy Sheckard and Bob Caruthers have been elected to the Hall of Merit. Like 1929, two players who had been waiting awhile were finally elected.

Sheckard, the top runner-up in 1929, was elected in his 12th time on the ballot.

Caruthers had been eligible since the 1899 election and was elected posthumously in his 32nd try (he died at the age of 47 in 1911). Parisian Bob finished 11th in 1899, three players that he outpointed that year have been inducted; Charlie Bennett (12th), Cal McVey (15th), and Pud Galvin (16th).

Dickey Pearce, who finished 64 points behind Caruthers is the top returning vote getter for 1931. George Van Haltren leapt into 4th place, edging Jake Beckley by two points and Lip Pike by 18. Clark Griffith, Rube Foster, Jimmy Ryan and Hughie Jennings rounded out the top 10.

RK   LY  Player             PTS  Bal   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
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 1    3  Jimmy Sheckard     754   40   9 10  6  4  2  2  1     1  2     1     1  1
 2    4  Bob Caruthers      693   41   9  5  6  3  1  3  1  1  4     2  1  3  2   
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 3    5  Dickey Pearce      629   39   7  6  4  2  3  2  2  1     3     1  2  4  2
 4    8  George Van Haltren 534   37   1  3  5  5  1  3  4  2  2  2  2  3  2  2   
 5    7  Jake Beckley       532   34      7  4  5  4  2  1  2  2  1     1  3     2
 6    6  Lip Pike           516   32   6  3  3  2  3     2  2  5  1  1     4      
 7    9  Clark Griffith     481   38   2     1  3  2  3  3  4  3  3  6  3  3  1  1
 8   10  Rube Foster        479   31   4  2  1  5  4  1  3  1  4  2  1     1     2
 9   11  Jimmy Ryan         443   33   1  2  3  2  3  2  2  4  2  3  2  1  2  1  3
10   15  Hughie Jennings    429   31   1  2  3  1  1  4  6  3  2     3  1     2  2
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
11   12  Roger Bresnahan    399   32      1  1  2  1  5  1  7     4  2  4  1  2  1
12   13  Mickey Welch       384   27   5  1  1  2  3  2  1  1        2  1  1  5  2
13   14  Cupid Childs       380   33      1  1  2  1  4  2  1  2  5  4  1  1  4  4
14   16  Rube Waddell       350   26         5  1  4  2  2  2  2  3  1     1  2  1
15   17  Hugh Duffy         345   28   1  1  1  2  1  2     4  1  3  5  3  1     3
16   18  Pete Browning      344   24   1  2  2  3  4     2     1  4     1  3     1
17   20  Bill Monroe        272   23   1  1        3  1     1  2  2  5  3     2  2
18   21  Tommy Leach        240   23               2  1     4  2  2  1  3  4  2  2
19   22  Charley Jones      229   16      2     2     3  2     3  2     2         
20   19  Larry Doyle        227   17   2  1        1     2  2  1  1  2  4     1   
21   23  Spotswood Poles    219   22         1        1  1  3  2  1  1  3  2  3  4
22   24  Ed Cicotte         148   11      1  1  1  1  2              3     1     1
23   26  Frank Chance       143   12            1  1  1  1  2     1  1  3     1   
24   25  Gavy Cravath       129   12         1  1        2     1        1  4  1  1
25   27  Ed Williamson      123   11                  1     2  3  1  2     1  1   
26   30  John McGraw        120   10   1     1     1  1        1           1  3  1
27   28  Addie Joss          88    7                  1  3     1  1        1      
28   29  Fielder Jones       75    7               1           1  1  2  1     1   
29   n/e Del Pratt           61    6               1  1                 2        2                               
30   32  Vic Willis          55    5                  1  1           1  1     1
31   36T Lave Cross          54    5               1        1           1  2   
32   34  Jim McCormick       53    6                     1           1  1  1     2
33   38  Mike Tiernan        51    5                     1     1     1     1  1   
34   31  Ed Konetchy         48    4            1        1        1              1
35   35  Tommy Bond          43    4                     2              1        1
36   33  Herman Long         42    5                           1           2  2   
37   36T Bruce Petway        41    4                     1  1                 2
38   41  Tony Mullane        32    4                              1        1  1  1
39   39  Silver King         19    2                              1        1  
40   n/e John Donaldson      18    2                           1                 1
41   40  Donnie Bush         17    1            1
42   42  Tom York            16    1               1
43   --  Mike Griffin        13    2                                          1  1 
44   46T Harry Wright        12    2                                             2 
45T  46T Jimmy Williams       9    1                                    1
45T  51T Fred Dunlap          9    1                                    1         
45T  n/e Jake Daubert         9    1                                    1
48   48T Joe Tinker           8    1                                       1
49T  44T Levi Meyerle         7    1                                          1
49T  51T Billy Nash           7    1                                          1
51T  48T Ray Chapman          6    1                                             1
51T  --  Roy Thomas           6    1                                             1
51T  --  Bobby Mathews        6    1                                             1
51T  --  Jim Whitney          6    1                                             1
Dropped Out: S.White(43), J.Evers(44T), G.Beaumont(48T), H.Vaughn(51T)
Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: July 26, 2004 at 06:46 AM | 13 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: Dave Brown

3 time virtual Negro League All-Star.

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: July 20, 2004 at 09:14 AM | 14 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: George Shively

Two MVPs and 7 all-star selections. Why didn’t he get one virtual Hall of Fame vote? Discuss.

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: July 20, 2004 at 09:13 AM | 10 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: Jimmy Lyons

A player with two virtual Negro League MVPs probably merits some discussion . . .

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: July 20, 2004 at 09:10 AM | 11 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: John Donaldson

Sorry, this should have been posted earlier.

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: July 20, 2004 at 08:59 AM | 12 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: 1931 Ballot Discussion

Interesting class this year, with at least one legitimate candidate joining the fray . . .

1931 (August 1)—elect 1
WS W3 Rookie Name-Pos (Died)
321 96.8 1909 Harry Hooper-RF (1974)
265 82.1 1913 Bobby Veach-LF (1945)
290 63.3 1913 George J. Burns-LF (1966)
208 43.6 1909 Rube Marquard-P (1980)
160 46.6 1913 Dutch Leonard-P (1952)
188 30.2 1914 Milt Stock-3b (1977)
159 34.8 1913 Casey Stengel-RF (1975)
142 31.1 1911 Rube Benton-P (1937)
156 25.4 1914 Max Flack-RF (1975)
134 30.2 1912 Howie Shanks-LF/3b (1941)
117 31.1 1913 Nemo Leibold-CF/RF (1977)
118 29.5 1911 Hank Gowdy-C (1966)
134 23.7 1913 Tommy Griffith-RF (1967)
115 27.3 1912 Ivy Wingo-C (1941)
HF% Career Name-pos (born) BJ – MVP - All-Star
12% 10-25 Jimmy Lyons-LF(??) #5 cf - 2 - 2*
08% 18-25 Dave Brown-P (1896) - 0- 3*
00% 10-25 George Shively-OF (??) - 2 - 7*
00% 13-25 Blainey Hall-LF (1889) - 0 - 6*
00% 11-25 Leroy Grant-1B (??) - 0 - 5*
00% 15-25 Dick Whitworth-P (??) - 1 - 3*
00% 04-25 Brodie (Billy) Francis-3B (??) - 0 - 0*
00% 10-25 Judy Gans-LF (??) - 0 - 2*
00% 11-25 Dicta Johnson-P (??) - 0 - 0*

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: July 20, 2004 at 08:56 AM | 353 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: 1930 Ballot

Sorry it’s late guys - I’m pretty sick right now, and I had some personal errands that couldn’t wait today (amazing how that always happens when you’re least up for it) and this completely slipped my mind . . . find me at SABR if you’re there and say hello . . .

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: July 13, 2004 at 12:29 AM | 222 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: 1929 Results - Wallace, Thompson finally elected

Two long waits have finally ended, as Bobby Wallace and Sam Thompson were elected to the Hall of Merit.

Wallace was elected in his 10th try. For Thompson the wait was the longest in the history of the Hall of Merit. Big Sam came on the ballot in 1902, and was elected in his 28th year of eligibility. Thompson died in 1922, and will be inducted posthumously. Four players that Thomspon beat in 1902 have since been inducted (Pud Galvin-1910, Harry Stovey-1916, Charlie Bennett-1921 and Cal McVey-1914).

Thompson’s election was a fairly major upset. He was outpointed 601-526 by Sheckard in 1928. Thompson found his way onto two more ballots this year, while Sheckard fell off of one. Wheras both were named first or second on 7 ballots in 1928, Thompson managed 15 such votes this year, to Sheckard’s nine and beat him 629-616.

Sheckard remains the favorite for 1930, with Bob Caruthers and Dickey Pearce close behind.

RK   LY  Player             PTS  Bal     1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
 1    3  Bobby Wallace      703   40     8  6 11  2     3     3  1     1     2  1  2
 2    5  Sam Thompson       629   38     7  8  2  1  2  2     4  1  3  1  2  2  3
 3    4  Jimmy Sheckard     616   35     5  4  4  9  7        2  1     2  1
 4    6  Bob Caruthers      582   37     5  5  2  4  5     2  2  2  1  3  1  1  3  1
 5    7  Dickey Pearce      551   36     7  3  4  2  2  3     1     3  1  3  1  4  2
 6    8  Lip Pike           488   31     4  4  2  2  1  1  5  2  2  2  4  1  1
 7    9  Jake Beckley       448   31        4  2  5  1  6  4     1  1  2           5
 8   10  George Van Haltren 446   34        2  2  3  3  3  2  1  6  4  1  2  2  1  2
 9   12  Clark Griffith     381   33     1     1  1  2  2  5  4  1  1  3  2  2  3  5
10   15  Rube Foster        367   25     3  1  2     2  1  4  4  2     4  1  1
11   11  Jimmy Ryan         361   28           3  2  3  3  2  2  3  3  2  1  2     2
12   13T Roger Bresnahan    332   25     1  2     1  2  2  3  2  4  2        4  1  1
13   16  Mickey Welch       315   20     3  3  1     5     1  1  1        1  1  2  1
14   19  Cupid Childs       296   26        1     1  1  3  1  3  1  3  1  4  3  3  1
15   17  Hughie Jennings    295   22     1  1  1  2     2  2  3  2  3  2  1     1  1
16   13T Rube Waddell       293   22           2  4  2  3  2  2  2           2     3
17   18  Hugh Duffy         259   24           1  2  2     3  1        2  3  5  3  2
18   21  Pete Browning      246   18     1  1  1  3  2  1  1  1     1     3        3
19   22  Larry Doyle        218   18     1  2  1           1     1  2  3  1  2  3  1
20   20  Bill Monroe        216   19        1  1        1  1  1  3  1  1  6  1  2
21   23  Tommy Leach        205   20                 1  2  1     2  3  3  1  2  3  2
22   25  Charley Jones      186   15           1  1  1  1  2  1  3  2        1  1  1
23  n/e  Spotswood Poles    161   16           1  1              3  2  2  1     3  3
24   24  Ed Cicotte         147   12           1  1  1  2     2        1  1  1  1  1
25   26  Gavy Cravath       125   11                 2     1  2     2     1  2     1
26   30  Frank Chance       109    9.5            1     2  1           2  1  2     0.5
27   28  Ed Williamson       96    9                       1     1  3  2  1  1
28   27  Addie Joss          80    7                          3  1  2           1
29   29  Fielder Jones       68    7                       1     1  1     1  2     1
30   31  John McGraw         68    5     1              1  1              1        1
31   32  Ed Konetchy         53    4.5         1           1              2        0.5
32   33  Vic Willis          44    4                    1        1     1        1
33   39T Herman Long         41    5                                   2     1  1  1
34   34  Jim McCormick       38    4                                1     3
35   35  Tommy Bond          36    3                    1     1              1
36T  36  Lave Cross          34    3                    1        1              1
36T n/e  Bruce Petway        34    3                    1        1              1
38   39T Mike Tiernan        25    3                                1        1     1
39   37  Silver King         18    2                                1           1
40   38  Donnie Bush         18    1           1
41   42  Tony Mullane        17    2                                   1        1
42   41  Tom York            16    1                 1
43   43  Sol White           10    1                                   1
44T  44T Levi Meyerle         9    1                                      1
44T  44T Johnny Evers         9    1                                      1
46T  47T Harry Wright         8    1                                         1
46T  47T Jimmy Williams       8    1                                         1
48T  --  Ginger Beaumont      7    1                                            1
48T  47T Joe Tinker           7    1                                            1
48T  47T Ray Chapman          7    1                                            1
51T  --  Fred Dunlap          6    1                                               1
51T  --  Billy Nash           6    1                                               1
51T  44T Hippo Vaughn         6    1                                               1
Dropped Out: none.
Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: July 08, 2004 at 03:35 AM | 83 comment(s)
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