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Hall of Merit: 1925 Ballot Discussion

1925 (May 2)?elect 2

 WS  W3 Rookie Name-Pos (Died)
354 77.5 1904 Sherry Magee-LF (1929)
231 43.0 1905 Hal Chase-1b (1947)
214 42.1 1908 Heinie Zimmerman-3b (1969)
171 50.7 1904 Terry Turner-SS/3b (1960)
198 41.9 1904 Red Ames-P (1936)
161 31.8 1911 Red Smith-3b (1966)
132 34.5 1908 Jack Barry-SS (1961)
130 32.2 1910 Chick Gandil-1b (1970)
132 30.6 1905 Lefty Leifield-P (1970)
125 26.6 1912 Larry Cheney-P (1969)
104 27.6 1912 Lee Magee-CF/2b (1966)
110 24.0 1911 Vic Saier-1b (1967)

DanG sent me the death list, but due to email difficulties, I can’t post it now. Will edit this later today or tomorrow with that info.

I don’t believe any new Negro Leaguers are eligible, let me know if that’s mistaken . . .

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: April 19, 2004 at 10:15 AM | 243 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: 1924 Ballot

This (and everything here) could disappear temporarily if the upgrade of the site comes down this week - I’ll post something to the new site, don’t worry, but make sure you keep a copy of your ballot just in case - and anything else you might want to reference over the next week or two, until the archive is imported.

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: April 12, 2004 at 08:54 AM | 69 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: 1923 Results: Wagner Second Unanimous Winner

Honus Wagner has become the second player to receive every first place vote (48), joining Cy Young (elected in 1917) as a member of this select group.

Part of one of the strongest first-year eligible classes ever, Sam Crawford (908 points) and Eddie Plank (799) finished 2nd and 3rd.

The top returning candidate, Mordecai Brown slipped from 3rd to 4th. Grant Johnson and Joe McGinnity also held their relative positions when compared to the returnees, slipping to 5th and 6th, respectively.

Frank Grant moved past Bobby Wallace into 7th place. Jimmy Sheckard finished 9th and Sam Thompson rounded out the top 10.

Rk   LY  Player               Pts Bal    1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
 1  n/e  Honus Wagner       1152  48    48
 2  n/e  Sam Crawford        908  48       45  1  2
 3  n/e  Eddie  Plank        799  47          26  9  6  3  1     1  1
 4    3  Mordecai Brown      597  44           5  3  5  7  6  5  2  3  1  3  1  2  1
 5    4  Grant Johnson       580  40           2  8  4 11  7  1  2  1  1  1     2   
 6    5  Joe  McGinnity      512  40           1  6  4  3  2  5  5  3  5  2  2  1  1
 7    7  Frank  Grant        458  35.3            3  6  3  7  4  3  2     2  3  2   .3
 8    6  Bobby  Wallace      448  36           3  4  2  1  5  5  3  1  3  1  3  4  1
 9    8  Jimmy Sheckard      394  32.5            2  3  6  1  3  5  2  4  1  2  1  2.5
10    9  Sam Thompson        367  29           1  5  3  1  2  3  3  3  4        1  3
11   10  Bob Caruthers       330  28        2  2  3  2        3  1  1  2  4  2  3  3
12   16  Dickey Pearce       259  19           1  1  6  2  1  2     2  2  1     1   
13   17  Lip Pike            236  18           4  1  2  1  1  1  1  1  1  2  1  2   
14   12  Jake Beckley        222  22                    2     1  4  2  4  3  2  2  2
15   13  Hughie Jennings     220  21        1  1     1  1  2        2  2  3  1  5  2
16   19  Jimmy Ryan          214  23                    2  1  1  2  2  2  1  2  6  4
17   11  Rube Waddell        205  19              1        1  2  1  7  2     4  1   
18   18  George Van Haltren  201  19                       4  2  2  2  1  3  2  2  1
19   15  Hugh Duffy          179  17.5                     3  2  1  1  3  2  3  1  1.5
20   14  Roger Bresnahan     174  19.5               1     1  1  1     2  2  6     5.5
21  n/e  Rube Foster         138  12                    2  1  3  1     2  1     2   
22   20  Clark Griffith      123  14                          1  2  1  1  2  1  3  3
23   22  Pete Browning       121  11                 1  1     1  1  3     2  1     1
24   21  Bill Monroe          83   8.5                  1        1  1  1  2  1     1.5
25   24  Mickey Welch         79   7              1  1           2           2     1
26   23  Tommy Leach          77   9                             1     2  2  1  1  2
27   26  Cupid Childs         58   6.3                  1           1     1  1  1  1.3
28   29  Charley Jones        54   6                             1  2        1     2
29   27  Addie Joss*          52   6                                2        3     1
30   25  Frank Chance         52   6                          1     1     1     1  2
31   33  John McGraw          45   4                 1              1     2         
32   34  Lave Cross           36   4                             1        2        1 
33   31  Ed Williamson        32   4                                   1     1  2   
34   30  Jim McCormick        26   3                                   1  1     1   
35   35  Harry Wright         24   2                       1           1            
36  n/e  Johnny Evers         21   2                          1              1      
37   28  Vic Willis           14   1                       1                        
38   36  Fielder Jones        13   2                                            1  1
39   37  Jim Whitney          12   1                             1                  
40   40  Silver King           9   1                                      1         
41   41T Fred Dunlap*          8   1.3                                             1.3
42   32  Herman Long           8   1                                         1      
43T  41T Sol White             6   1                                               1
43T  --  Charlie Buffinton     6   1                                               1
* - won tie-breaker
Dropped  Out: Tony Mullane (38), Denny Lyons (39), Fred Dunlap (41T),
Deacon Phillippe (44).
Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: April 08, 2004 at 07:43 AM | 14 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: 1924 Ballot Discussion

***1924 (April 18) ?elect 2
WS W3 Rookie Name-Pos (Died)
239 49.3 1905 Frank ?Wildfire? Schulte-RF (1949)
161 37.6 1905 Mickey Doolan-SS (1951)
160 37.1 1906 Jack Coombs-P (1957)
154 32.7 1908 Bob Bescher-LF (1942)
149 31.5 1908 Dick Hoblitzel-1b (1962)
140 29.9 1906 Rube Oldring-CF (1961)
119 34.3 1912 Jeff Tesreau-P (1946)
110 28.2 1906 Bill Hinchman-RF/LF (1963)
103 25.5 1911 Vean Gregg-P (1964)

Not exactly Hans and Wahoo Sam and Gettysburg Eddie this time around . . .

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: April 06, 2004 at 01:00 PM | 97 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: KJOK Leagues Parks Stats Converter

From KJOK, post #88 on the 1923 ballot thread:

This is a plea for a little help on something that I think many of you will find to be of benefit.

I have finished “prettying up” and documenting a spreadsheet called “KJOK Leagues Parks Stats Converter”. Basically, this is a spreadsheet that takes all of the different steps I use to convert a player’s stats from one environment to another, different environment. As long as you have most of the basic stats for a player, the basic stats for the league they played in, the basic stats or assumed stats for the league your converting to, and have data or can make some basic assumptions about the relative level of competition between the two leagues and the parks in the leagues, the spreadsheet will spit out 3 different “equivalent” batting lines.

For example, if you want to know the NL, NY Mets approx. equivalent for Kaz Matsui’s 2003 batting performance in the Pacific League for the Seibu Lions, this spreadsheet will do that. If you want to know the NL approx. equiv. stats of Bob Caruther’s AA “big” seasons, this spreadsheet will do that. If you want to know what Oscar Charleton might have done in the AL, it will(assuming you’re willing to make enough assumptions about the leagues he played in) do that.

I’m going to post it to the files section of the HOM egroup. What I’m asking is for those of you who are “in” to this type of thing to take this and test it to make sure I didn’t miss any assumptions and that I didn’t make any careless formula typos when manually entering all of this, AND to also offer any suggestions for clearer documentation or improvements in layout or method.

NOTE: Only the batting conversion has been completed. Hope to have a pitching conversion done in the near future…

Thanks in advance.

KJOK

Great stuff KJOK!

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: April 05, 2004 at 06:09 AM | 2 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: 1923 Ballot

Ooh the drama . . . lol.

Anyway, sorry it’s late, been one of those days, but it shouldn’t affect much.

Next week, when the site goes to registration it’s very important that you all register your names ASAP.

I have a feeling that some of our work may be hard to find for a week or two, so it’s quite likely that the 1924 election will be delayed a week or two. We won’t know for sure until we see how everything works with the transition . . .

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: March 30, 2004 at 06:20 AM | 94 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: 1922 Results: Lajoie, Mathewson elected in a landslide

Nap Lajoie and Christy Mathewson have been elected to the Hall of Merit.

Lajoie was named first on 37 of 46 ballots. Mathewson was first or 2nd on all ballots. The two were nearly unanimous, just one voter failed to list them 1-2 on his ballot.

Mordecai “Three-Finger” Brown finished 3rd with 595 points. He’ll likely have to wait until 1924 to be elected (Honus Wagner comes on the ballot in 1923, and only one player will be elected that year).

Brown won’t be a shoo-in in 1924, however. Grant “Home Run” Johnson finished 4th, with 548 points, narrowly edging Joe McGinnity (546). Bobby Wallace slipped behind them both, finishing 6th with 478 points.

Frank Grant finished 7th with 442 points, followed by Jimmy Sheckard (419), Sam Thompson (361) and Bob Caruthers (338).

Rk   LY  Player              Pts Bal   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
 1  n/e  Nap Lajoie         1091  46  38  7  1                                    
 2  n/e  Christy Mathewson  1065  46   7 39                                       
 3  n/e  Mordecai Brown      595  39        12  4  7  5  2  4     2  1           2
 4    4  Grant Johnson       548  37         5  7  9  5  2  2  2  2        1     2
 5    3  Joe McGinnity       546  40         3  8  5  1  6  3  4  4  1  1     3  1
 6    5  Bobby Wallace       478  37         4  3  3  3  7  3  2  2  2  2  2  1  3
 7    6  Frank Grant         442  33         3  3  2 10  2  2  2  1  1  2  4     1
 8    7  Jimmy Sheckard      419  32         1  3  4  2  5  7  4     1     2  3   
 9    9  Sam Thompson        361  26         6  3  1  3  1  4  1  3  1        2  1
10    8  Bob Caruthers       338  26   1     4  4  1     1  2  2     3  4  2     2
11   10  Rube Waddell        277  27            1  1  2  2  1  4  2  1  2  3  3  5
12   13  Jake Beckley        267  24               2     1  2  6  2  6  2  2  1   
13   11  Hughie Jennings     259  22         1  2  2  3     2     2     6  1  2  1
14   12  Roger Bresnahan     256  25         1        1  4  2  1  2  1  2  3  7  1
15   14  Hugh Duffy          244  22                  5  2     3  1  3  3  3  1  1
16   16  Dickey Pearce       233  18         1  3  4     1     1  1  4  1  1     1
17   15  Lip Pike            230  19         4  1  1     1  1  1  1  2  3  1  2  1
18   18  George Van Haltren  228  22                  2  4  2  1  1  4     2  1  5
19   17  Jimmy Ryan          209  20               1  2  1  1  2  4  1     3  4  1
20   19  Clark Griffith      174  19                        1  3  2  4  1  2  2  4
21   20  Bill Monroe         120  13                     1  1     3  2  1     1  4
22   22  Pete Browning       117  10            1  1        2  1  1  2  1        1
23   21  Tommy Leach         107  12                        1     2  1  4     2  2
24   25  Mickey Welch        100   9            2        1  1     1        1  2  1
25   24  Frank Chance         85   8                  1     1  1  1  1  1  1  1   
26   23  Cupid Childs         81   9               1              1     2  2  2  1
27   26  Addie Joss           60   6                           3        2        1
28   27  Vic Willis           57   6                  1           1     2     1  1
29   28  Charlie Jones        53   5                     1     2        1        1
30   29  Jim McCormick        45   5                              2        2  1   
31   33T Ed Williamson        38   5                                 1  1     1  2
32   31  Herman Long          34   4                                 1     3      
33   30  John McGraw*         32   3            1                          1  1   
33   33T Lave Cross           32   3                        1        1  1         
35   32  Harry Wright         27   2               1              1               
36   35  Fielder Jones        15   2                                       1  1   
37   38  Jim Whitney          14   1                     1                        
38   37  Tony Mullane         11   1                              1               
39   40  Denny Lyons          10   1                                 1            
40   47T Silver King           9   1                                    1         
41T  36  Sol White             8   1                                       1      
41T  39  Joe Tinker            8   1                                       1      
41T  --  Fred Dunlap           8   1                                       1      
44   41T Deacon Phillippe      7   1                                          1   
*won sixth tie-breaker (more 4th place votes).
Dropped Out: Mike Tiernan (41T), Cy Seymour (41T), Levi Meyerle (44), Bobby 
Mathews (45T), Harry Davis (45T), Roy Thomas (47T), Deacon McGuire (47T).
Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: March 23, 2004 at 09:02 AM | 10 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: Who’ll be the first living HoMer?

Anyone want to venture as guess as to who will be:

The first living HoMer?

The first living HoMer that isn’t a HoFer?

The latter question is very interesting to me, I’d love to be able to get in touch that player when we elect him.

Just something to think about - I believe the first question was mentioned already sometime in the last couple of weeks.

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: March 23, 2004 at 08:14 AM | 23 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: 1923 Ballot Discussion

Quite a new class coming on the ballot and only one electee this year. Wonder who it’ll be . . .

 WS   W3  Rookie Name-Pos (Died) 
655 180.1  1897  Honus Wagner-SS (1955)
446 115.2  1899  Sam Crawford-RF (1968)
361 100.1  1901  Ed Plank-P (1926)
268  70.8  1903  Johnny Evers-2b (1947)
231  58.6  1903  Chief Bender-P (1954)
157  28.7  1906  Hans Lobert-3b (1968)
124  35.0  1909  Jim Scott-P (1957)
129  32.9  1909  Chief Meyers-C (1971)
139  25.1  1907  Mike Mowrey-3b (1947)
137  23.4  1907  Bobby Byrne-3b (1964)
128  26.8  1903  Cy Falkenberg-P (1961)
113  26.0  1905  George Gibson-C (1967)
Negro Lg   1901  Rube Foster-P (1930)

Thanks to DanG for compiling this list:

HoMers and candidates who died in the past year:

HoMers:
Age Elected
 69 1903 Cap Anson

Candidates:
Age Eligible
 81 1882 Wes Fisler
 70 1896 Orator Shaffer
 67 1896 Joe Gerhardt
 62 1902 Sam Thompson
 59 1902 Tommy McCarthy
 53 1907 Nig Cuppy
 52 1905 Billy Rhines
 43 1918 Jake Stahl

Future Candidate:
Age Eligible
 27 1928 Austin McHenry
Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: March 22, 2004 at 04:11 PM | 221 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: DMB owner needed!

I’m commissioner of a fledgling Diamond-Mind league. We’ve already drafted, and we’re close to starting the 1924 season, our innaugural campaign. It’s a keeper league, and two owners can’t do it after drafting their teams.

The Philadelphia Phillies and Pittsburgh Pirates are available. The Phillies have Babe Ruth among others (imagine what the Babe will do in the Baker Bowl! The Pirates have a decent squad too.

Let me know if you are interested, and I’ll send you the rules, etc. . . .

You’ll need to upgrade to Version 9 of Diamond-Mind (due out later this week) for the league as well.

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: March 16, 2004 at 10:49 AM | 10 comment(s)
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