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Hall of Merit: 1913 Results - Bid McPhee elected
Bid McPhee has been elected to the Hall of Merit by the narrowest margin in the 16-year history of the voting.
McPhee defeated Cal McVey 751-747. The previous closest balloting was in 1906 when Al Spalding defeated Ezra Sutton 758-749.5. Sutton was elected in 1908. McPhee and McVey were separated by 8 points in the 1912 balloting.
Harry Stovey broke out of what had been a neck-and-neck battle with Charlie Bennett since 1909, to move solidly into 3rd place. Hugh Duffy moved into the #5 spot, while Sam Thompson leaped over Frank Grant and Jimmy Ryan into 6th place.
Newcomer Jake Beckley finished 9th, one point ahead of Lip Pike who rounded out the top 10 by passing George Van Haltren in the balloting.
Other first-year eligibles to receive votes were Lave Cross, who finished a disappointing 20th and Kid Gleason who finished tied for 39th.
Rk LY Player Pts Bal 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
1 3 Bid McPhee 751 40 16 5 6 4 1 1 1 1 1 2 2
2 4 Cal McVey 747 40 13 11 2 4 1 1 2 1 2 2 1
3 6 Harry Stovey 635 39 4 5 6 5 6 1 3 3 1 2 1 2
4 5 Charlie Bennett 573 34 4 5 6 7 3 2 2 2 2 1
5 7 Hugh Duffy 515 39 3 4 4 3 4 5 3 3 4 3 2 1
6 10 Sam Thompson 488 34 2 2 1 4 3 6 2 4 2 2 1 2 3
7 8 Frank Grant 394 30 1 2 2 4 3 3 1 2 5 2 1 1 2 1
8 9 Jimmy Ryan 391 30 1 1 3 3 5 3 1 2 2 3 3 1 2
9 n/e Jake Beckley 336 29 2 2 2 2 6 2 1 2 5 2 3
10 12 Lip Pike 335 22 1 2 1 4 2 5 1 2 1 2 1
11 11 George VanHaltren 329 27.5 1 1 3 5 2 1 2 2 2 2 2 1 3.5
12 13 Hughie Jennings 295 25.5 1 2 1 1 2 2 3 1 1 2 4 4 1.5
13 15 Dickey Pearce 260 20 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 5 1 1 1 2
14 17 Clark Griffith 220 21 1 1 2 1 1 1 4 4 2 3 1
15 14 Cupid Childs 218 20 1 1 1 1 2 2 3 3 1 1 1 3
16 18 Pete Browning 212 18 2 3 3 1 1 2 1 1 1 3
17 16 Mike Tiernan 200 20 1 2 3 2 1 3 5 2 1
18 19 Jim McCormick* 186 17 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 2 1 2 2
19 20 Bob Caruthers 186 14 3 2 1 1 1 3 2 1
20 n/e Lave Cross 177 18 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 4 2 3
21 22 Mike Griffin 131 13 2 2 1 3 1 3 1
22 24 Charlie Jones 116 12 1 1 2 1 3 1 2 1
23 21 Mickey Welch 112 10 2 1 1 3 2 1
24 23 Joh McGraw 85 8 1 3 4
25 26 Tony Mullane 64 7 1 1 1 1 1 2
26 25 Harry Wright 61 4 1 1 1 1
27 27 Ed Williamson 59 7 1 1 3 2
28 30 Herman Long 48 5.5 1 1 1 1 1.5
29 28 Deacon McGuire 43 5 2 1 2
30 29 Jim Whitney 42 3 1 1 1
31 31 Tip O'Neill 37 4.5 1 2 1.5
32 36 Fred Dunlap 21 2 1 1
33 34 Tommy Bond 17 2 1 1
34 38 Tom York 14 2 1 1
35T 39 Bill Hutchison 11 1 1
35T -- Bobby Mathews 11 1 1
37 37 Levi Meyerle 10 1 1
38 -- Noodles Hahn 8 1 1
39T 33 Billy Nash 7 1 1
39T n/e Kid Gleason 7 1 1
41 -- Kip Selbach 6 1 1
*won tiebreaker (ahead 15-10 on individual ballots)
Dropped Out: Duke Farrell (32), Jack Clements (35).
Joe Dimino
Posted: November 11, 2003 at 04:02 PM |
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Jake Beckley and Lave Cross are the top newcomers, joining top holdovers Bid McPhee and Cal McVey. Only one will get in, who will it be?
Joe Dimino
Posted: November 03, 2003 at 06:13 PM |
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Hall of Merit: 1912 Results - Burkett and Start elected
The class of 1912 has been named—Jesse Burkett and Joe Start.
Burkett, 44, was the only player named on each of the 42 ballots. He received 22 first place votes and 36 of the 42 had him in the top 2 (meaning they endorsed his election this year). He cruised to election in his second year of eligibility, finishing with 957 points.
The most discussed candidate in the 15 years of Hall of Merit balloting, Start has finally made it in his 15th try. The 69 year-old Start has been on every ballot since the first election in 1898, when he finished 11th. He was the first runner-up from 1908-1910, and slipped to second runner-up in 1911 when Burkett came on the ballot. Start finished with 731 points (15 of the 42 voters had him in the top two, 16 more had him third or fourth).
Bid McPhee and Cal McVey have moved into 3rd and 4th place, separated by just 8 points (658-650). Like Start, McVey has been on the ballot since 1898 (when he finished 13th).
Charlie Bennett and Harry Stovey continue to see-saw, this year Bennett is in front, finishing 5th with 557 points, Stovey was 6th with 555.
Hugh Duffy was 7th, Frank Grant 8th, Jimmy Ryan finished 9th and Sam Thompson rounds out the top 10.
The top newcomer was Clark Griffith who finished 17th. Deacon McGuire also debuted in 1912, finishing 28th.
Dickey Pearce is creeping higher up the radar, he was named on 4 additional ballots this year, and he jumped ahead of Mike Tiernan and Pete Browning, into 15th place.
RK LY Player Pts Ballots 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
1 2 Jesse Burkett 957 42.0 22 14 5 1
2 3 Joe Start 731 38.0 6 9 11 5 2 2 1 1 1
3 4 Bid McPhee 658 39.0 6 3 9 5 2 4 3 1 1 2 1 2
4 5 Cal McVey 650 38.0 4 4 7 11 3 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 1
5 7 Charlie Bennett 557 35.0 3 3 3 3 8 3 2 1 4 2 1 1 1
6 6 Harry Stovey 555 39.0 4 6 4 3 4 6 5 1 1 2 1 2
7 8 Hugh Duffy 434 36.0 2 1 3 3 3 5 1 6 2 6 2 1 1
8 9 Frank Grant 382 31.0 1 5 4 2 3 3 4 2 2 1 2 2
9 10 Jimmy Ryan 378 33.0 2 1 4 7 1 4 3 3 7 1
10 11 Sam Thompson 375 30.0 1 2 2 3 6 2 1 3 2 4 1 1 2
11 12 George Van Haltren 287 27.5 1 1 1 3 2 3 2 3 1 3 5 2.5
12 13 Lip Pike 286 20.0 2 1 3 2 4 2 3 1 1 1
13 14 Hughie Jennings 263 24.5 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 2 2 6 4 2.5
14 15 Cupid Childs 209 20.0 1 1 1 3 4 3 2 3 2
15 18 Dickey Pearce 201 17.0 2 2 2 1 3 1 2 1 1 2
16 16 Mike Tiernan 195 20.0 1 4 1 4 3 3 2 2
17 n/e Clark Griffith 178 18.0 1 1 1 2 2 6 4 1
18 17 Pete Browning 174 16.0 1 5 3 1 2 1 3
19 19 Jim McCormick 164 16.0 2 1 1 4 1 2 1 3 1
20 20 Bob Caruthers 147 11.0 2 1 1 1 3 3
21 22 Mickey Welch 91 10.0 1 1 1 2 3 2
22 21 Mike Griffin 81 8.0 1 1 3 1 1 1
23 23 John McGraw 75 8.0 1 1 2 2 1 1
24 28 Charley Jones 64 8.0 1 1 1 1 1 3
25 26 Harry Wright 63 5.0 1 2 1 1
26 25 Tony Mullane 59 6.0 1 2 1 1 1
27 24 Ed Williamson 58 7.0 1 1 1 4
28 n/e Deacon McGuire 42 5.0 3 2
29 27 Jim Whitney 40 3.0 1 1 1
30 29 Herman Long 32 4.0 1 1 2
31 32 Tip O'Neill 19 2.0 1 1
32 30 Duke Farrell* 18 2.0 1 1
33 33 Billy Nash 18 2.0 2
34 37 Tommy Bond+ 17 2.0 1 1
35 31 Jack Clements^ 17 2.0 1 1
36 34 Fred Dunlap 17 1.0 1
37 35 Levi Meyerle 16 2.0 1 1
38 36 Tom York 11 1.0 1
39 38T Bill Hutchison 7 1.0 1
*won tiebreaker (ahead on individual ballots 2-1)
+won tiebreaker (more 10th place votes)
^won tiebreaker (ahead on individual ballots 2-1)
Dropped Out: Chief Zimmer (38T), Perry Werden (40).
Joe Dimino
Posted: October 27, 2003 at 11:46 PM |
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This is an attempt to move the discussion started with RMc, Rob C and John Murphy to it’s own area.
I have to agree with John and Rob, we’ve got to enforce the policies we’ve agreed to. I realize that RMc thoughtfully thinks through his ballot and he isn’t just throwing darts or anything. But, explaining the ballots is part of the process, in fact it’s been one of the foundations of this whole project from the outset.
I don’t have any problem with including his (or others like it) for this week, as he has established credibility, it’s really late in the process, etc..
However, if we don’t nip this in the bud now, there will be more people only submitting lists of names in the future, and we’re just asking for trouble. Remember the first Historical Abstract, where Bill James wrote about rules that are selectively enforced (like speed limits) and how that is just asking for trouble? That’s what I’m thinking of.
For example, I realize you might not have anything to add on the Start debate, but explaining what arguments convinced you to vote him 3rd (as opposed to 12th, 5th or 1st) is important. Please include more explanation next week. JeffM, Ed, Mark McKinniss, Dan B, Ken Fischer and MichaelD . . . this would apply to you guys also. It’s possible I missed one, but I think all of the other ballots have at least a minimal explanation for each player.
As for the policy regarding explaining players that are left off a ballot, if they were in the top 10 in the voting the year before . . . I think we need to enforce that also. We are asking everyone to explain who they are voting for - it’s not unreasonable to ask people why they are leaving off players most of the others are voting for.
Some people feel strongly about this issue, and they really are on the right side of the coin; so I will do a better job of enforcing both of these policies in the future.
Joe Dimino
Posted: October 27, 2003 at 09:48 PM |
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The 1912 results will be posted later today, but we can start the discussion for 1913 now . . .
Joe Dimino
Posted: October 27, 2003 at 08:52 PM |
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Will this finally be the year that one of the holdovers gets in?
Joe Dimino
Posted: October 20, 2003 at 05:43 PM |
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Hall of Merit: 1911 Results - Kid Nichols elected
Kid Nichols, a star pitcher for the Boston Braves in the 1890s, has been elected to the Hall of Merit.
Nichols narrowly missed becoming the second player to be unanimously elected to the Hall of Merit. Dan Brouthers was named first or second on every ballot in 1902, a 2 electee year, and is the only such honoree so far. Nichols received 40 of 42 first place votes the highest percentage to date (Billy Hamilton had 40 of 43, and Brouthers 39 of 42).
Jesse Burkett debuted on the ballot with a strong 2nd place showing, being named 2nd or 3rd on 34 ballots.
Joe Start once again led the returning candidates, finishing 3rd overall. Bid McPhee and Cal McVey finished 4th and 5th. Harry Stovey and Charlie Bennett have been neck and neck, this week Stovey edged Bennett for 6th by 5 points.
Hugh Duffy, Frank Grant and Jimmy Ryan rounded out the top 10. Sam Thompson was 1 point behind Ryan, finishing 11th.
Major thanks to Patrick W and John Murphy for tallying the ballots and especially to Patrick for doing the formatting for the table you see below, which is one of the duties I dread every other week!
RK LY Player Pts Ballots 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
1 n/e Kid Nichols 997 42.0 40 1 1
2 n/e Jesse Burkett 765 42.0 21 13 6 1 1
3 2 Joe Start 634 38.0 7 8 13 2 2 3 1 1 1
4 3 Bid McPhee 598 39.0 1 5 6 7 6 1 4 3 1 1 1 3
5 4 Cal McVey 581 38.5 4 4 7 12 1 1 2 1 2 1 1 1 1.5
6 6 Harry Stovey 510 38.0 1 3 5 7 2 6 6 4 1 1 1 1
7 5 Charlie Bennett 505 36.0 3 3 3 4 7 3 2 2 2 3 1 1 1 1
8 7 Hugh Duffy 400 36.0 3 2 3 4 3 4 3 4 7 3
9 10 Frank Grant 367 32.0 1 1 4 3 4 5 1 4 1 4 3 1
10 9 Jimmy Ryan 342 31.0 1 2 6 5 5 1 1 4 5 1
11 8 Sam Thompson 341 29.0 1 1 1 1 3 3 1 5 3 1 3 4 2
12 11 George Van Haltren 280 30.0 2 1 4 1 2 3 4 1 4 8
13 13 Lip Pike 246 20.0 1 1 2 4 3 1 2 3 1 1 1
14 12 Hughie Jennings 221 22.0 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 3 3 6 2
15 14 Cupid Childs 201 20.0 2 1 1 2 3 2 2 3 1 3
16 16 Mike Tiernan 147 16.0 4 1 1 4 1 4 1
17 15 Pete Browning 146 13.5 1 5 3 3 1.5
18 18 Dickey Pearce 143 13.0 1 2 1 3 2 1 3
19 17 Jim McCormick 138 13.0 1 1 2 1 4 2 1 1
20 19 Bob Caruthers 130 10.0 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 1
21 20 Mike Griffin 82 9.0 1 1 4 2 1
22 23 Mickey Welch* 75 8.0 1 1 2 3 1
23 22 John McGraw 75 8.0 1 1 1 2 2 1
24 21 Ed Williamson 56 7.0 1 1 1 4
25 24 Tony Mullane 51 5.0 1 2 2
26 28 Harry Wright 48 4.0 1 2 1
27 25 Jim Whitney 41 3.0 1 1 1
28 26 Charley Jones 40 5.0 2 1 2
29 27 Herman Long 34 4.0 1 1 1 1
30 29 Duke Farrell 26 3.0 1 1 1
31 30 Jack Clements 25 3.0 1 1 1
32 31 Tip O'Neill 20 2.0 1 1
33 33 Billy Nash 17 2.0 1 1
34 32 Fred Dunlap 15 1.0 1
35 38 Levi Meyerle 14 2.0 2
36 35 Tom York 12 1.0 1
37 37 Tommy Bond 11 1.0 1
38T 34 Chief Zimmer 9 1.0 1
38T 36 Bill Hutchison 9 1.0 1
40 -- Perry Werden 6 1.0 1
*won tiebreaker, ahead on individual ballots 8-7.
Dropped Out: Silver King (39).
Joe Dimino
Posted: October 14, 2003 at 08:20 PM |
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Sorry about the delay, training class and MLB Playoffs have slowed me down this week . . . I’ll have the results up some time later today, but here’s the 1912 discussion thread.
Someone please post new eligibles, as I don’t have time to look them up right now. Thanks!
Joe Dimino
Posted: October 14, 2003 at 06:11 PM |
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Balloting is now open for 1911 . . . Kid Nichols and Jesse Burkett join the top returning candidates, Joe Start, Bid McPhee, Cal McVey, Charlie Bennett and Harry Stovey in one or the strongest fields yet. Only one will be elected.
Don’t forget to follow the ‘best practices’ as we’ve discussed . . .
Joe Dimino
Posted: October 06, 2003 at 04:08 PM |
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Hall of Merit: Get together in Arlington, VA today
Hey guys, I posted this as a clutch hit as a suggestion from Game Chatter, it just crossed my mind that some of you may have missed that. Sorry for the short notice, but if you want to come out the Crystal City Sports Pub today, there’ll be a group of us watching the games.
Check the link above for any details, there’s a link in there (homepage in post #40) for the pub’s website if you need an address or directions. Ask for the “Mabry” table.
Joe Dimino
Posted: October 04, 2003 at 03:45 PM |
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