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Hall of Merit: 1911 Ballot Discussion

I meant to get this up last night, and I flat out forgot. Sorry for the delay . . . Two big time newbies this year, Jesse Burkett and Kid Nichols.

Two new Negro Leaguers also, I have to research them still, Billy Holland and George Wilson.

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: September 30, 2003 at 06:54 PM | 96 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: 1910 Ballot

This is a very important election, as one of our backlogged candidates will finally get the keys to the exectutive washroom.

So let’s try to be very observant of our ‘best practices’ this week, including explaining votes that deviate wildly from the consensus, especially when you don’t vote for a returning top 10 guy. That would be: Joe Start, Pud Galvin, Bid McPhee, Cal McVey, Charlie Bennett, Harry Stovey, Jimmy Ryan, Frank Grant, Hugh Duffy and Sam Thompson. I know it sounds like a formality, but more than once I’ve been in the middle of explaining my ballot when I’ve realized I really don’t have a great justification for putting a guy in this particular spot, and I’ve adjusted. Kind of like the practice of forcing sports franchises to interview minority coaches. Sometimes, once you get the guy in there, you realize he’s a damn good candidate and you might not have otherwise even bothered to interview him.

Big vote this week, if you are in the middle of any relevant research, or haven’t reviewed your ballot in awhile, this is the week to take a second look. In 1906 a similar ballot was decided by 8.5 points. The following year, one of the two people that left the runner-up off moved him to #6 after reconsidering the evidence. Let’s avoid having that happen again, this time let’s all take an extra minute to review the arguments for an against the top candidates.

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: September 22, 2003 at 02:26 PM | 122 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: 1909 Election Results - Delahanty Elected in Landslide

It was the most lopsided election ever, as Phillies leftfielder Ed Delahanty received 40 of 43 first place votes and was elected to the Hall of Merit in first year of eligibility.

Joe Start held onto the position of 1st runner-up for the 2nd straight year, but Pud Galvin made progress, jumping over Bid McPhee for 3rd place, and cutting the gap between he and Start from 36 to 9 points.

Other notable newcomers were Jimmy Ryan (8th) and Frank Grant (9th).

Cal McVey finished 5th for the second year in a row. Charlie Bennett passed Harry Stovey into 6th place, and Hugh Duffy rounded out the top 10.

RK   LY Player             Pts  Ballots  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14   15
 1  n/e Ed Delahanty      1015   43.0   40  2     1
 2    2 Joe Start          672   40.0    2  9 11  5  4  3  1     1  2           1    1
 3    4 Pud Galvin         663   41.0       9  6 10  4  4  3  1        2     1  1
 4    3 Bid McPhee         608   38.0    1  9  1  9  5  4  2  3     1     1  1  1
 5    5 Cal McVey          571   38.0       5  8  5  7  2  1     1  3  1  1  1  1    2
 6    7 Charlie Bennett    527   36.0       3  4  3  4  8  5  2  1     3  2     1
 7    6 Harry Stovey       518   40.0       3  3     4  4  5  4  4  4  2     3  1    3
 8  n/e Jimmy Ryan         417   35.0             3  3  1  6  2  3  3  6  3  3  1    1
 9  n/e Frank Grant        410.5 34.5       1  2     4  3  2  3  3  6  1  1  2  3.5  3
10    8 Hugh Duffy         387   34.0          2     1  4  2  3  4  4  3  3  4  3    1
11    9 Sam Thompson       365   33.5       1  2        3  2  3  3  3  3  2  4  4    3.5
12  n/e George Van Haltren 316   32.5             2     1  2  2  2  2  1  5  7  5    3.5
13   10 Hughie Jennings    229   23.0       1  1  1           2  3  1  1  3  2  1    7
14   14 Lip Pike           208   18.0                   1  4  4  2  2  1  1  1       2
15   11 Cupid Childs       207   19.0                1  1     4  5  1  1  2     1    3
16   18 Jim McCormick      149   13.0          1     2     1  2        2  2     3
17   12 Mike Tiernan       145   15.0                      1     3  2  2     5  1    1
18   13 Pete Browning*     138   13.0                   1  1  1  2     3  3  1  1
19   15 Bob Caruthers      138   10.0          1  1  2     1  1  1  2  1
20   19 Dickey Pearce      122   10.0             3           1  2     2     1       1
21   17 Mike Griffin       119   12.0                      1  1     3  2  2     3
22  n/e John McGraw         85    9.0                1           1     1  3  1       2
23   16 Ed Williamson       78    9.0                   1              1  3     2    2
24   22 Jim Whitney         66    5.0          1        1  1  1                      1
25   21 Tony Mullane        57    5.5                      1     1  1     1  1       0.5
26   20 Mickey Welch        51    5.0                1     1                    3
27   23 Charley Jones       40    5.0                                  1  1  1  1    1
28   27 Jack Clements       38    4.0                               2        2
29   24 Harry Wright        37    3.0                   1     1           1
30  n/e Herman Long         32.5  4.0                                     2  1  0.5  0.5
31   26 Fred Dunlap         27    3.0                         1                 2
32   25 Tip O'Neill         25    3.0                                  1  1          1
33  n/e Chief Zimmer        24    3.0                                  1     1       1
34   28 Billy Nash          17    2.0                               1                1
35   31 Tom York            13    1.0                            1
36   34 Bill Hutchison      12    1.0                               1
37   33 Tommy Bond          10    1.0                                     1
38T  29 Bud Fowler           7    1.0                                           1
38T  35 Levi Meyerle         7    1.0                                           1
40   37 Silver King          6    1.0                                                1
*Won tiebreaker, being named higher on ballots (11-10).
Dropped out: Dummy Hoy (30), Dave Foutz (32), Elmer Smith (36)
Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: September 15, 2003 at 05:04 PM | 22 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: 1910 Ballot Discussion

Duke Farrell is the only notable new face this year . . .

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: September 15, 2003 at 04:58 PM | 97 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: Number of Electees by Year

Here is the election schedule:

Four in 1898; two each year from 1899-1905. After that . . .

1: 1906-11, 1913-14, 1916, 1918, 1920, 1923, 1931, 1961

2: 1912, 1915, 1917, 1919, 1921-22, 1924-30, 1932-57, 1959-60, 1962-71, 1973-79, 1981-84, 1986, 1988, 1992

3: 1958, 1972, 1980, 1985, 1987, 1989-91, 1993-2010, 2012-15, 2017, 2019, 2021, 2023, 2025, 2027, 2029, 2031, 2033, 2035, 2038, 2040

4: 2011, 2016, 2018, 2020, 2022, 2024, 2026, 2028, 2030, 2032, 2034, 2036-37, 2039, 2041

At that point (2041), I’ll be 69 years old, and I’ll probably retire and let someone else take over :-)

The system was tweaked in 1908, if we had started this way from the beginning, we would have elected one from 1892-1911 except for the years 1902, 1905, 1908, 1910, where we would have elected two.

This gives us 213 electees through 2001. Please let me know if I missed anyone, but by my count that matches the actual Hall of Fame.

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: September 13, 2003 at 04:07 PM | 186 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: 1909 Ballot

Here’s the new ballot. We will be adopting the new schedule as discussed on this thread. That means just one gets in each of the next 3 years.

Sorry it’s late!

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: September 08, 2003 at 09:00 PM | 74 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: 1908 Results - Sutton Elected

Ezra Sutton has been elected to the Hall of Merit. Sutton comfortably topped a tight field with 762 points, beating Joe Start (698), Bid McPhee (678) and Pud Galvin (662).

Cal McVey finished 5th, narrowly edging Harry Stovey. Charlie Bennett was 7th, Hugh Duffy finished 8th, Sam Thompson was 9th and Hughie Jennings, in his first year of eligibility rounded out the top 10.

RK   LY Player          Pts Ballots  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
 1    2 Ezra Sutton     762   40.5  14  8  6  2  3  1  1     2  1  1        1  0.5
 2    3 Joe Start       698   39.5   8  6  8  4  3  6     1  1           1     1.5
 3    4 Bid McPhee      678   41.0   7  3  3 10  5  3  3  1     1     1  2  1  1
 4    5 Pud Galvin      662   40.0   2  9  7  6  7     4        1  2  1     1
 5    6 Cal McVey       601   38.0   3  3  8  8  5        1  2  2  3  1     2
 6    7 Harry Stovey    593   40.0   3  4  1  1  3  6  5 10  1  2  2  2
 7    8 Charlie Bennett 536   36.0   2  4  2  3  2  8  5     3  3  2     1     1
 8    9 Hugh Duffy      491   40.0         1  3  3  6  4  4  4  1  4  3  3  2  2
 9   10 Sam Thompson    461   38.0   1  3  1     1  2  4  4  7     4  3  3  3  2
10  n/a Hughie Jennings 381   34.0   1  2  1        1  3  1  1  9  2  3  6  1  3
11   11 Cupid Childs    321   30.0         1  1  2     2  2  5  1  4  1  5  4  2
12   13 Mike Tiernan    290   30.0   1              2     4  2  1  1  4  4  5  6
13   12 Pete Browning   282   28.0         1     1  1     3  2  4  3  4  1  4  4
14   14 Lip Pike        260   22.0               3  3  2  3  2  3     2     1  3
15   15 Bob Caruthers   188   14.0         2  1  1     4  1  3              2
16   17 Ed Williamson   168   19.0                  1           2  2  4  5  5
17   16 Mike Griffin    166   17.0               1     1     2     5  2  3  2  1
18   18 Jim McCormick   163   15.0            1     2     1  1  3  2  2  1     2
19   19 Dickey Pearce   138   12.0            1  1        2  2  3        2     1
20   20 Mickey Welch     80    8.0            1        1     1        2     1  2
21   24 Tony Mullane     54    6.0                        1        1  2     1  1
22   22 Charley Jones*   48    5.0                              2  1  1     1
23   21 Jim Whitney      48    4.0               1     1              2
24   23 Harry Wright     44    4.0                     1  1     1              1
25   25 Tip O'Neill      36    3.0                     1  1           1
26   26 Fred Dunlap      35    4.0                        1              2     1
27   28 Jack Clements    25    3.0                                 1     1  1
28   29 Billy Nash       24    3.0                              1           1  1
29   27 Bud Fowler       22    3.0                                    1     1  1
30  n/a Dummy Hoy        20    3.0                                       1     2
31   31 Tom York         19    3.0                                          1  2
32   30 Dave Foutz       17    2.0                                 1        1
33   32 Tommy Bond       12    1.0                           1
34  34T Bill Hutchison   11    1.0                              1
35   36 Levi Meyerle     10    1.0                                 1
36   33 Elmer Smith       8    1.0                                       1
37   -- Silver King       6    1.0                                             1
*Won tiebreaker over Whitney, ranked higher on more ballots.
Dropped Out: Nig Cuppy (34T), Jack Stivetts (37), Denny Lyons (38).
Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: September 01, 2003 at 06:46 PM | 14 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: 1909 Ballot Discussion

Time to get started with the discussion, as one of the top classes we’ll see joins the ballot. Ed Delahanty, Frank Grant, Jimmy Ryan, George Van Haltren, Herman Long, John McGraw, Tom Daly and Chief Zimmer join the ballot. The next few elections will be very interesting as we now are knee-deep in another generation of viable candidates.

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: September 01, 2003 at 05:52 PM | 159 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: New Eligibles Year by Year

Here we go, if someone can post them for the next 5-10 years, and then maintain this that would be great.

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: August 28, 2003 at 04:20 PM | 959 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: 1908 Ballot

Another election that promises to be tight.

I’d like to push further the idea of people justifying anyone not in the previous top 10 that is left off your ballot. Several people did this last time, and I think it’s a good idea. For this election that would be . . . Ezra Sutton, Joe Start, Bid McPhee, Pud Galvin, Cal McVey, Harry Stovey, Charlie Bennett, Hugh Duffy and Sam Thompson.

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: August 25, 2003 at 01:22 PM | 96 comment(s)
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