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Hall of Merit: Mickey Welch

Because Yest requested it, here it is!

John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 07, 2004 at 01:40 AM | 65 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: 1934 Ballot

Cobb! Speaker! Collins! Williams! Lloyd!

Who will win the John Murphy Lottery?

Oh, BTW, Cristobal Torriente, Stan Coveleski and Ben Taylor have the huge misfortune of also having their first year of eligibility this “year.”

Returnees include Heinie Groh, George Van Haltren, Lip Pike, Jake Beckley, Clark Griffith, Hughie Jennings, Rube Waddell and Mickey Welch.

Hey! Let’s be careful out there (and Happy Labor Day!)

John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 06, 2004 at 01:30 PM | 146 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: Selected 19th Century Candidates

Here are some players that the electorate felt needed further discussion:

Cap Anson (elected in 1903)

Ross Barnes (elected in 1898)

Jake Beckley (elected in 1998)

Charlie Bennett (elected in 1921)

Tommy Bond

Dan Brouthers (elected in 1902)

Pete Browning (see Harry Stovey) (elected in 2005)

Jesse Burkett (elected in 1912)

Fred Carroll

Bob Caruthers (elected in 1930) (see also Jim Whitney)

Cupid Childs (elected in 1988)

John Clapp

John Clarkson (elected in 1900)

Jimmy Collins ...

Hall of Merit: 1933 Election Results - It’s Unanimous for “Barney,” while “Buck” is Also a First Year Inductee!

As expected, pitching legend Walter Johnson chugged into the Hall Of Merit in his first year of eligibility. Recording the highest point total of any inductee so far (1,296), the “Big Train” was the #1 choice for all 54 voters. He follows in the footsteps of previous unanimous selections Cy Young and Honus Wagner.

In second place was Brooklyn Robins star Zack Wheat. The leftfielder won the second spot for HoM immortality easily in also his first year of eligibility with 997 pts and was left off only one ballot.

“Bottle bat” great Heinie Groh, another newbie, was a fairly strong presence in third place and outpointed #4 returnee Lip Pike (who moved up one spot) by 130 pts.

Other carry over candidates in the top ten were George Van Haltren (down 2 spots), Jake Beckley, Clark Griffith (down 3), Hughie Jennings (down 1), Rube Waddell (down 1) and Mickey Welch (up 1).

RK   LY  Player             PTS  Bal   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
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 1  n/e  Walter Johnson    1296   54  54                                          
 2  n/e  Zack Wheat         997   53     25 11  3  2  1  1  3  4     1     1  1   
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 3  n/e  Heinie Groh        608   46         6  7  1  4  6  5  5  2     4     2  4
 4    5  Lip Pike           478   32      5  4  4  1  5  2  1  3        3  2     2
 5    3  George Van Haltren 467   34         7  5  2  1  4  2  2  1  7  1     1  1
 6    6  Jake Beckley       467   32      2  2  9  3  1  1  3  3  5  1  1        1
 7    4  Clark Griffith     463   36      1  2  4  5  2  3  2  2  4  2  1  6  1  1
 8    7  Hughie Jennings    458   32      6     3  2  5  1  1  3  1  5  1  1  3   
 9    8  Rube Waddell       411   31      1  2     5  5  4  3     1  7        3   
10   11  Mickey Welch       382   25      7  3     3  1  1  2  1  1     1     2  3
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11   12  Cupid Childs       366   31      1  1     3  4  1  3  4  3  1  2  1  5  2
12    9  Hugh Duffy         357   28      2     2  2  1  5  2  2  5  1  2  1  1  2
13   10  Roger Bresnahan    338   29         1     3  1  2  4  4  3  3  4  2  2   
14   14  Pete Browning      335   24         6  4  3  1  1        4     2     2  1
15   13  Jimmy Ryan         324   25         2  2  3  3  2  4     2  2  1  2  2   
16   16  Jose Mendez        279   24         1     3     2  4  2  1  2  7  1  1   
17   15  Tommy Leach        276   25         1     2  3  1  3  1  2  2  1  4  3  2
18   17  Bill Monroe        228   21         1     1  1  2  1  3  2  2  2  1  4  1
19   18  Charley Jones      214   17      1     2  1  1  3     2     2  2  1  2   
20   20  Larry Doyle        210   19      1  1  2  1     1     1        2  7  1  2
21   19  Spotswood Poles    188   18            2        2  1     2  3  1  4  2  1
22   22  Harry Hooper       164   13         1  1  1  3        2  1  1     2  1   
23   21  Bobby Veach        137   14               1  1  1        1  1  4  1  3  1
24   26  Addie Joss         117   10            1     1  1  1  1  2  1     1     1
25   29  Ed Cicotte         110    9         1     1  1  2              3        1
26   23  Frank Chance       107   11            1     1  1           2     2  1  3
27  n/e  Urban Shocker      100   10                        3  1  2        1  1  2
28   25  John McGraw         97    7      1        2  1        1           1  1   
29   32  Fielder Jones       95    7      1        1  1        1  1  1     1      
30   28  Gavy Cravath        91    8                  1  1  2  1     1     1     1
31   27  Ed Williamson       89    9                  1  1     1  1     1  1  2  1
32   24  George J. Burns     77    9                        1     1     3  1     3
33   31  Vic Willis          74    9                     1     1  1           1  5
34   30  Dobie Moore         65    8                              1  1  2  1     3
35   33  Lave Cross          58    5         1        1                 1  2      
36   36  Ed Konetchy         42    4                  1        1           1  1   
37   35  Mike Griffin        40    4               1                 1     1     1
38   34  Tommy Bond          37    4                           1     1     1  1   
39   37  Wilbur Cooper       36    3               1                 2            
40   39  Mike Tiernan        33    4                        1              1     2
41  n/e  Ray Schalk          27    3                              1     1     1   
42   40  Fred Dunlap         23    2                        1        1            
43   38  Jim McCormick       20    2                     1                       1
44   47T Tony Mullane        17    2                              1              1
45T  49  Donie Bush          17    1            1                                 
45T  45T Silver King         17    1            1                                 
47   41  Del Pratt           16    2                                    1     1   
48   54T Duke Farrell        15    1                  1                           
49T n/e  Jack Fournier       13    2                                          1  1
49T  42  Herman Long         13    2                                          1  1
51   45T Tom York            13    1                        1                     
52  n/e  John Donaldson      12    1                           1                  
53T  50  Sam Leever          11    1                              1               
53T  43T Ross Youngs         11    1                              1               
55   47T Bruce Petway         8    1                                       1      
56T  51T Jake Daubert         6    1                                             1
56T  51T Bobby Mathews        6    1                                             1
56T  43T Joe Tinker           6    1                                             1
Dropped Out: Cy Seymour(53), Jim Whitney(54T).

John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 31, 2004 at 06:44 PM | 25 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: The Greatest Player Ever?

From Ron Wargo, post #41 on the 1934 Ballot Discussion thread:

“Maybe this deserves its own thread.

Yeah, I think so.

It’s 1934, a perfect time to ask:

Who is the greatest player ever?

I begrudgingly say the greatest eligible is Ty Cobb. Many people will say Honus Wagner. Some might even say Walter Johnson. Any other candidates?

Of course, it being January 1934, I think one more player (although still active) had a good enough 1933 to top the career WS and WARP lists, and he likely has the best peak ever, so my vote goes for greatest player as of January ‘34 goes to:

Babe Ruth.”

Thanks for the idea Ron!

JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head Posted: August 31, 2004 at 03:56 AM | 63 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: The Baseball Hall of Merit: Important Links

IMPORTANT: If a link is inoperable, please use this link to locate the thread in question: Hall of Merit Archives
This eventually will be the only place to locate old and new threads once we set up the categorization process.

Finally, a consolidated home page, with all of our important links.

The Hall of Merit Plaque Room - Where we honor the greatest players of all-time.

Our Constitution - The rules we’ve set up. Something Better - the article that introduced all of this.

Positional ...

Hall of Merit: 1934 Ballot Discussion

Here we go. The grand pooh-bah, so to speak . . .

1934 (September 12)—elect 2
WS W3 Rookie Name-Pos (Died)
722 206.3 1905 Ty Cobb-CF (1961)
630 188.6 1908 Tris Speaker-CF (1958)
574 182.8 1908 Eddie Collins-2B (1951)
245 80.8 1916 Stan Coveleski-P (1984)
195 64.0 1913 Joe Bush-P (1974)
203 48.1 1915 Wally Pipp-1B (1965)
170 45.7 1913 Bill Doak-P (1954)
133 43.0 1920 Bucky Harris-2B (1977)
152 48.5 1912 Steve O’Neill-C (1962)
157 39.1 1913 Les Mann-LF/CF (1962)
130 32.5 1917 Joe Harris-1B (1959)
093 36.2 1920 Slim Harriss-P (1963)
102 22.5 1917 Vic Aldridge-P (1973)
110 23.4 1917 Jimmy Ring-P (1965)
Negro Lg 1905 Pop Lloyd-SS (1964)
Negro Lg 1910 Smokey Joe Williams-P (1946)
Negro Lg 1913 Cristobal Torriente-RF (1938)
Negro Lg 1910 Ben Taylor-1B (1953)

Pretty amazing class, 5 easy HoMers, 2 more very strong candidates and a tweener. Discuss.

JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head Posted: August 30, 2004 at 09:22 AM | 194 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: 1933 Ballot

Will it be Zack Wheat, Heinie Groh, George Van Haltren, Clark Griffith, Lip Pike or Jake Beckley joining Walter Johnson at the ceremony this year?

JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head Posted: August 23, 2004 at 09:38 AM | 176 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: 1932 Results - Two Negro Leaguers Elected for the First Time

For the first time in the history of the Hall of Merit two Negro League players have been elected in the same year.

Louis Santop was an overwhelming choice for the top spot, garnering 36 of 51 first place votes in his first year of eligibility.

Rube Foster was also elected, outpointing George Van Haltren, 595-533. Actually, spots 2-7 remained unchanged from 1931, with Clark Griffith, Lip Pike, Jake Beckley and Hughie Jennings finishing 4-7.

Rube Waddell jumped from 12th to 8th, Hugh Duffy and Roger Bresnahan rounded out the top 10.

RK   LY  Player             PTS  Bal   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
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 1  n/e  Louis Santop      1126   49  36  7  3  1     2                            
 2    2  Rube Foster        595   40   2  4  5  3  7  2  2  3  2  1  3     1  2  3 
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 3    3  George Van Haltren 533   35   2  5  5  1  3  4  2  1  2     5  2  1  2    
 4    4  Clark Griffith     529   41      2  6  3  2  1  1  7  3  4  2  1  3  3  3 
 5    5  Lip Pike           507   32      8  4  3  1  4  3  1  1  1  1  2        3 
 6    6  Jake Beckley       498   32   1  6  5  1  2  3  2  3  3  1  1  1     1  2 
 7    7  Hughie Jennings    458   32   3  1  2  2  2  3  3  6  2  2  2  2        2 
 8   12  Rube Waddell       438   31   1     3  6  2  3  4  1  2  4  2  1  1  1    
 9   11  Hugh Duffy         398   30      3     2  5  1  2  2  5  2  1  2  1  4    
10    9  Roger Bresnahan    392   32   1     1  1  2  3  3  2  4  7  2     2  3  1 
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11   13  Mickey Welch       380   24   4  4     5  1     2        1  1     2  2  2 
12    8  Cupid Childs       376   32      2  1  1  1  3  4  3  3     1     4  7  2 
13   10  Jimmy Ryan         348   23      2  3  3  3  2  3  2  1     3  1          
14   14  Pete Browning      347   24      2  5  3  3           3  4     1  2  1    
15   15  Tommy Leach        305   25      1  1  2  2  2  1  3  1  2  1  2  4  3    
16  n/e  Jose Mendez        271   24            1  1  1  2     8  2  2  3  2  2    
17   16  Bill Monroe        249   23         1     2  2  1     2  1  4  5  2  1  2 
18   20  Charley Jones      234   18      2     2  1  1  2  1  1  1  2  2  1  1  1 
19   17  Spotswood Poles    221   23         1           3  3  1     1  4  1  2  7 
20   18  Larry Doyle        199   16      1  2  1     1     1     2  5  1     2    
21   21  Bobby Veach        189   18               2  2     1  1  3  2  2     1  4 
22   19  Harry Hooper       183   15         1  1  2  2  1  1  1  1        2  2  1 
23   22  Frank Chance       137   13            1     1     3     2     1  2  1  2 
24   24  George J. Burns    133   13            1        1  1  1  1  2  2  2     2 
25   28  John McGraw        127   10   1        2     1  1              1  3  1    
26   27  Addie Joss         116    9            1  1  1  2     1  2              1 
27   26  Ed Williamson      112   10                  1  2  1     1  1  3  1       
28   25  Gavy Cravath       109   10               1  2  1  1           1  1  1  2 
29   23  Ed Cicotte         107    9         1  1  1  1           1  1     1     2 
30  n/e  Dobie Moore         93    9            1              2  1  2  1        2 
31   30  Vic Willis          90    9                  2     1           1  3  2    
32   29  Fielder Jones       85    6      1     1           1     2  1             
33   32  Lave Cross          46    4         1                       2     1       
34   35  Tommy Bond          45    4            1              1        1     1    
35   40  Mike Griffin        41    4               1                 1  1        1 
36   31  Ed Konetchy         36    3                     1  1           1          
37  n/e  Wilbur Cooper       35    4               1                          1  2 
38   33  Jim McCormick       29    3                     1                 1  1    
39   36  Mike Tiernan        25    3                              1        1     1 
40   44  Fred Dunlap         22    2                        1           1          
41   37  Del Pratt           20    2                              1     1          
42   34  Herman Long         17    2                                    1  1       
43T  46  Joe Tinker          16    2                                       2       
43T n/e  Ross Youngs         16    2                                    1     1    
45T  41T Silver King         16    1               1                               
45T  45  Tom York            16    1               1                               
47T  38  Tony Mullane        15    2                                    1        1 
47T  39  Bruce Petway        15    2                                       1  1    
49   41T Donie Bush          14    1                     1                         
50   --  Sam Leever           9    1                                    1          
51T  47T Jake Daubert         8    1                                       1       
51T  47T Bobby Mathews        8    1                                       1       
53   --  Cy Seymour           7    1                                          1    
54T  --  Duke Farrell         6    1                                             1 
54T  52T Jim Whitney          6    1                                             1 
Dropped Out: John Donaldson (43), Billy Nash (47T), Roy Thomas (47T), 
Levi Meyerle (51), Johnny Evers (52T), Jimmy Williams (52T), Harry Wright (52T).

JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head Posted: August 18, 2004 at 04:42 AM | 28 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: Ben Taylor

The best Negro League first baseman before Buck Leonard. How does he compare with his white contemporaries?

John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 17, 2004 at 09:35 PM | 87 comment(s)
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