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Hall of Merit: Second Base vs. Third Base before 1920

I don’t think I buy into the studies that say that 2B made more plays than 3B and turned almost as many DPs as they do today as evidence that the position was equal to 3B in this time period, in terms of importance.

1B make more plays (in terms of putouts and assists) than anyone on the field. Does that make them more important? The fact that 2B made fewer DPs in the 19th Century is significant, because there were MANY more baserunners, due to all of the errors. As a % of men on 1B, DP are much lower than in post 1920 baseball. Also, while 2B might have (I’m going from memory) 4 or 5 plays per game compared to 2 or 3 for 3B, the 2 or 3 the 3B makes are MUCH more difficult, considering that there was much more speed in the game during this timeframe, and the throw was much longer and the ball was coming at them faster.

Finally, the most convincing evidence is that 2B clearly and easily outhit 3B before 1920 (at about the same level that 3B outhit 2B today). If the positions were defensively equal, managers would have let better hitters play 3B.

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: July 14, 2003 at 05:13 PM | 15 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: 1905 Ballot

Time to start voting . . .

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: July 14, 2003 at 05:03 PM | 123 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: Whitney, McCormick and Caruthers

The big peak pitchers—was it enough?

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: July 11, 2003 at 04:08 PM | 7 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: Stovey and Browning

The two best hitters of the AA, how much do we discount them?

I think the AA was kind of like the USFL. The USFL had Jim Kelly, Herschel Walker and a few other legit stars (although they were young), and some decent retreads like Brian Sipe, but it wasn’t anywhere near the NFL, yet it was a major league, better than what we’d call AAA and they had really good players. Look at the AFL in the early years, it took them quite awhile before they were able to be truly competitive with the NFL. Even to this day, the AFL squads have won just 10 of 36 Super Bowls (28%), despite making up 38% of the teams from before the merger (not counting TB’s win, which is the only one from a post-1970 expansion team). Almost all of the really big stars were in the NFL/NL. It’s an interesting debate.

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: July 11, 2003 at 04:08 PM | 177 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: Charlie Bennett

WS or WARP3? Whichever one you use will go a long way towards where he fits on your ballot.

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: July 11, 2003 at 03:59 PM | 38 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: Thompson, Tiernan and Griffin

Three of our top OFs, all with very similar accomplishments.

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: July 11, 2003 at 03:58 PM | 43 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: Al Spalding

Probably the toughest candidate to get a handle on.

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: July 11, 2003 at 03:56 PM | 26 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: Ezra Sutton

One of our most talked about candidates.

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: July 11, 2003 at 03:55 PM | 14 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: Start and McVey

A place to focus the discussion for them.

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: July 11, 2003 at 03:53 PM | 113 comment(s)
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Hall of Merit: McPhee and Richardson

A place to focus in the pros and cons of our top keystone men.

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: July 11, 2003 at 03:52 PM | 16 comment(s)
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