Hall of Merit: Clark Griffith

I’m surprised nobody demanded a thread for the Old Fox before today.

Hall of Merit: Tommy Bond

Marc/sunnday 2 thinks he’s ballot worthy, so a thread makes sense for him.

Hall of Merit: Vic Willis & Sam Leever

Willis was an underrated pitcher, IMO. Our newest voter Mike Webber agrees.

As for Leever, karlmagnus kind of likes the big lug. :-)

Hall of Merit: Bill Terry

“Memphis Bill” won’t be near my ballot, but you can convince me that I’m wrong if you want.

Hall of Merit: Andy Cooper

Will Cooper someday join his old teammate Bullet Joe Rogan in the HoM?

Hall of Merit: 1940 Ballot Results: Bullet Joe Rogan and Lip Pike Are the Latest Hall of Merit Enshrinees!

In his first year on the ballot, Kansas City Monarch pitching and hitting star Bullet Joe Rogan was elected with 79% of the votes to win the first spot this “year.”

With a record low percentage of the votes for an inductee (40%), perennial candidate Lip Pike squeaked past Joe Sewell to take the second spot. One of the very first baseball professionals, Pike waited a record 43 “years” until his ultimate election (he was one of the Hall’s very first candidates in 1898)!

Rounding out the top ten were returnees Eppa Rixey, Hughie Jennings, Clark Griffith, George Sisler, Jake Beckley, Tommy Leach (his first time with this group) and George Van Haltren.

RK   LY  Player                   PTS  Bal   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
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 1  n/e  Bullet Joe Rogan         978   47  22  9  4  2  2  3  1  3                 1   
 2    3  Lip Pike                 496   26   7  5  5  3  1        2  1        2         
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 3    4  Joe Sewell               483   35   3  4  4  1     4  2  1     1  3  3  2  3  4
 4    6  Eppa Rixey               463   35      4  2  3  3  3  4     1  3  1  2  2  4  3
 5    5  Hughie Jennings          421   25   5  1  4  4  3  1  1     2     2  1  1      
 6    7  Clark Griffith           411   29   2  2  3  2  1  3  3     4     4  1  2  1  1
 7    8  George Sisler            406   30   1  3  1  3  3  2  2  2     2  1  5  2  1  2
 8    9  Jake Beckley             402   27   2  3  1  1  3  4  2  3  2  1  1  2        2
 9   13  Tommy Leach              352   28            4  2  1  3  5  4  4  1  1     1  2
10   11  George Van Haltren       345   22   1  5  1  1  3  2  2  2  1           1  1  2
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11   10  Rube Waddell             339   26   1  1  1  1  2     3  1  5  6  2  1  1  1   
12   16  Hugh Duffy               300   22      1  2  2  2  1  3  3  3  2     1        2
13   14  Mickey Welch             297   16   4  4  2  1        1  1  1  1              1
14  n/e  John Beckwith            284   23   1  2  1     4     1  1     3  2     1  2  5
15   15  Pete Browning            281   20      2  3  1  3  3     1     1        5  1   
16   12  Cupid Childs             276   22      1  1  1  3  3  1  1     2  2  1  5  1   
17   17  Edd Roush                268   22         1     2  4  1  1  4  1  3  2  3      
18   18  Cannonball Dick Redding  249   22         1  1        3  3  3  3     3  3  1  1
19  n/e  Burleigh Grimes          230   19         2  3  1  1  1  3     1     1  1  1  4
20   22  Wally Schang             192   16   1     1        2     1  3  2  1  2  1  1  1
21   23  Larry Doyle              190   14      1  1  2  1     1  1  3  1  1     1  1   
22   19  Roger Bresnahan          187   17         1  1  1     1  1  1  3  2  1  2  1  2
23   20  José Méndez              185   17            2  3     1        1  1  3  1  3  2
24  n/e  Sam Rice                 184   14         2  2  2  1     1     1  1  2  1  1   
25   21  Charley Jones            173   12   1     2  1  1     2  1  1     1  1  1      
26   24  Jimmy Ryan               161   13      1  1  1  1     1     2     2  1     2  1
27   27  Harry Hooper             149   13      1  1        1  1  1  1     2        4  1
28   25  Bill Monroe              147   14            2     1        1  3  1     2  3  1
29   26  Bobby Veach              113    9      1        2           2  1  1        1  1
30   28  George J. Burns          100    9                  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  2      
31   29  Vic Willis                92   10                  1     1     1  1     2  3  1
32   31  Dobie Moore               90   10                  1           1  2  2     2  2
33   33  Fielder Jones             77    7            1        1  1           2  1  1   
34   32  John McGraw               74    5               1  3     1                     
35   30  Carl Mays                 70    7                  1     1  1     1     1     2
36   34  Ben Taylor                70    6            1        1  1     1     1        1
37  n/e  Hack Wilson               68    5                     3  2                     
38   39  Gavy Cravath              63    5               1  1        1  1     1         
39T  35  Frank Chance              62    7                  1              1     2  3   
39T  36  Urban Shocker             62    7                        1        1  2  1  1  1
41   40  Wilbur Cooper             58    5         1              1        2        1   
42   37T Ed Cicotte                50    5            1                    1  1  1     1
43   41  Spotswood Poles           48    4            1     1                 1     1   
44   37T Rabbit Maranville         39    4                           1  1  1           1
45   45  Ed Konetchy               38    4                  1              1        1  1
46   42  Addie Joss                37    4                              1  1  1     1   
47   43  Ed Williamson             28    3                                 1  2         
48   56T Del Pratt                 27    2                     1  1                     
49   56T Jim McCormick             26    2                     1     1                  
50   44  Dave Bancroft             24    3                                 1     1     1
51   47T Lave Cross                24    2         1                                   1
52  n/e  Dolf Luque                21    2                     1                    1   
53   49  Ray Schalk                19    2                              1        1      
54   46  Jack Quinn                18    2                                 1     1      
55   51T Donie Bush                18    1         1                                    
56T  47T Tommy Bond                17    1            1                                 
56T  51T Fred Dunlap               17    1            1                                 
58   54T Tom York                  14    1                     1                        
59   54T Sam Leever                13    1                        1                     
60   50  Jack Fournier             12    1                           1                  
61   59  Ross Youngs                9    1                                    1         
62  n/e  Duke Farrell               6    1                                             1
Dropped Out: Mike Griffin(58), Tony Mullane(60), Mike Tiernan(53).

Hall of Merit: Pie Traynor

Could he have survived during his era (or ours) if his favorite food had been Twinkies instead?

Hall of Merit: Dazzy Vance

Hall of Merit: 1941 Ballot Discussion

I think we’ll have the most combined points for the two inductees this election, don’t you think? I’m sorry, but pet players such as Cupid Childs, Jake Beckley, or Donie Bush should not find themselves above Babe Ruth and Rogers Hornsby this “year!”

Two other newbies that will have considerable ballot impact are Pie Traynor and Dazzy Vance.

1941 (December 19)—elect 2
WS W3 Rookie Name-Pos (Died)
756 233.0 1915 Babe Ruth-RF/LF (1948)
502 151.1 1916 Rogers Hornsby-2B (1963)
274 80.3 1922 Pie Traynor-3B (1972)
241 81.4 1922 Dazzy Vance-P (1961)
245 62.7 1915 Sad Sam Jones-P (1966)
227 58.9 1925 Earle Combs-CF (1976)
184 57.5 1924 Max Bishop-2B (1962)
161 49.7 1918 Bob O’Farrell-C (1988)
141 33.0 1924 Hughie Critz-2B (1980)
129 32.5 1923 Larry Benton-P (1953)
119 36.8 1927 Lefty Stewart-P (1974)

1941 (December 19)—elect 2
HF% Career Name-pos (born) BJ - MVP - All-Star
12% 20-38 Andy Cooper-P (1896)2 - 6*
04% 21-35 Crush Holloway-RF (1896) - 0 - 1*
00% 22-35 Newt Joseph-3B (1899) #7 3b - 0 – 3*

Players Passing Away in 1940

HoMers
Age Elected
74 1907 Billy Hamilton-CF
70 1915 George Davis-SS

Candidates
Age Eligible
89 1898 Chick Fulmer-SS
75 1907 Joe Quinn-2B
73 1904 Matt Kilroy-P
71 1904 Red Ehret-P
69 1914 Chick Fraser-P
68 1905 Fred Klobendanz-P
64 1922 George McQuillan-P
63 1917 Patsy Dougherty-LF
62 1914 Spike Shannon-LF
52 1923 Tom Seaton-P
46 1936 Ira Flagstead-CF
44 1930 Charlie Hollocher-SS

Upcoming Candidate
30 1946 Willard Hershberger-C

Much obliged to Dan G and Chris Cobb for the lists again!

Hall of Merit: 1940 Ballot

Will Bullet Joe Rogan, Burleigh Grimes, John Beckwith, Sam Rice, Dolph Luque or Hack Wilson allow us to have more consensus than last “year?”

Top returnees include Lip Pike, Joe Sewell, Hughie Jennings, Eppa Rixey, Clark Griffith, George Sisler, Jake Beckley and Rube Waddell.