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— Our Blogs and Nothing But Our Blogs Hall of Merit: The Greatest Player Ever?From Ron Wargo, post #41 on the 1934 Ballot Discussion thread: “Maybe this deserves its own thread. Yeah, I think so. It’s 1934, a perfect time to ask: Who is the greatest player ever? I begrudgingly say the greatest eligible is Ty Cobb. Many people will say Honus Wagner. Some might even say Walter Johnson. Any other candidates? Of course, it being January 1934, I think one more player (although still active) had a good enough 1933 to top the career WS and WARP lists, and he likely has the best peak ever, so my vote goes for greatest player as of January ‘34 goes to: Babe Ruth.” Thanks for the idea Ron! JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head
Posted: August 31, 2004 at 03:56 AM | 63 comment(s)
Related News: Hall of Merit: The Baseball Hall of Merit: Important LinksIMPORTANT: If a link is inoperable, please use this link to locate the thread in question: Hall of Merit Archives
Finally, a consolidated home page, with all of our important links. The Hall of Merit Plaque Room - Where we honor the greatest players of all-time. Our Constitution - The rules we’ve set up. Something Better - the article that introduced all of this. Read More...JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head
Posted: August 30, 2004 at 09:33 AM | 26 comment(s)
Related News: Hall of Merit: 1934 Ballot DiscussionHere we go. The grand pooh-bah, so to speak . . . 1934 (September 12)—elect 2 Pretty amazing class, 5 easy HoMers, 2 more very strong candidates and a tweener. Discuss. JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head
Posted: August 30, 2004 at 09:22 AM | 194 comment(s)
Related News: Hall of Merit: 1933 BallotWill it be Zack Wheat, Heinie Groh, George Van Haltren, Clark Griffith, Lip Pike or Jake Beckley joining Walter Johnson at the ceremony this year? JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head
Posted: August 23, 2004 at 09:38 AM | 176 comment(s)
Related News: Hall of Merit: 1932 Results - Two Negro Leaguers Elected for the First TimeFor the first time in the history of the Hall of Merit two Negro League players have been elected in the same year. Louis Santop was an overwhelming choice for the top spot, garnering 36 of 51 first place votes in his first year of eligibility. Rube Foster was also elected, outpointing George Van Haltren, 595-533. Actually, spots 2-7 remained unchanged from 1931, with Clark Griffith, Lip Pike, Jake Beckley and Hughie Jennings finishing 4-7. Rube Waddell jumped from 12th to 8th, Hugh Duffy and Roger Bresnahan rounded out the top 10. RK LY Player PTS Bal 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 n/e Louis Santop 1126 49 36 7 3 1 2 2 2 Rube Foster 595 40 2 4 5 3 7 2 2 3 2 1 3 1 2 3 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 3 George Van Haltren 533 35 2 5 5 1 3 4 2 1 2 5 2 1 2 4 4 Clark Griffith 529 41 2 6 3 2 1 1 7 3 4 2 1 3 3 3 5 5 Lip Pike 507 32 8 4 3 1 4 3 1 1 1 1 2 3 6 6 Jake Beckley 498 32 1 6 5 1 2 3 2 3 3 1 1 1 1 2 7 7 Hughie Jennings 458 32 3 1 2 2 2 3 3 6 2 2 2 2 2 8 12 Rube Waddell 438 31 1 3 6 2 3 4 1 2 4 2 1 1 1 9 11 Hugh Duffy 398 30 3 2 5 1 2 2 5 2 1 2 1 4 10 9 Roger Bresnahan 392 32 1 1 1 2 3 3 2 4 7 2 2 3 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11 13 Mickey Welch 380 24 4 4 5 1 2 1 1 2 2 2 12 8 Cupid Childs 376 32 2 1 1 1 3 4 3 3 1 4 7 2 13 10 Jimmy Ryan 348 23 2 3 3 3 2 3 2 1 3 1 14 14 Pete Browning 347 24 2 5 3 3 3 4 1 2 1 15 15 Tommy Leach 305 25 1 1 2 2 2 1 3 1 2 1 2 4 3 16 n/e Jose Mendez 271 24 1 1 1 2 8 2 2 3 2 2 17 16 Bill Monroe 249 23 1 2 2 1 2 1 4 5 2 1 2 18 20 Charley Jones 234 18 2 2 1 1 2 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 19 17 Spotswood Poles 221 23 1 3 3 1 1 4 1 2 7 20 18 Larry Doyle 199 16 1 2 1 1 1 2 5 1 2 21 21 Bobby Veach 189 18 2 2 1 1 3 2 2 1 4 22 19 Harry Hooper 183 15 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 23 22 Frank Chance 137 13 1 1 3 2 1 2 1 2 24 24 George J. Burns 133 13 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 25 28 John McGraw 127 10 1 2 1 1 1 3 1 26 27 Addie Joss 116 9 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 27 26 Ed Williamson 112 10 1 2 1 1 1 3 1 28 25 Gavy Cravath 109 10 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 29 23 Ed Cicotte 107 9 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 30 n/e Dobie Moore 93 9 1 2 1 2 1 2 31 30 Vic Willis 90 9 2 1 1 3 2 32 29 Fielder Jones 85 6 1 1 1 2 1 33 32 Lave Cross 46 4 1 2 1 34 35 Tommy Bond 45 4 1 1 1 1 35 40 Mike Griffin 41 4 1 1 1 1 36 31 Ed Konetchy 36 3 1 1 1 37 n/e Wilbur Cooper 35 4 1 1 2 38 33 Jim McCormick 29 3 1 1 1 39 36 Mike Tiernan 25 3 1 1 1 40 44 Fred Dunlap 22 2 1 1 41 37 Del Pratt 20 2 1 1 42 34 Herman Long 17 2 1 1 43T 46 Joe Tinker 16 2 2 43T n/e Ross Youngs 16 2 1 1 45T 41T Silver King 16 1 1 45T 45 Tom York 16 1 1 47T 38 Tony Mullane 15 2 1 1 47T 39 Bruce Petway 15 2 1 1 49 41T Donie Bush 14 1 1 50 -- Sam Leever 9 1 1 51T 47T Jake Daubert 8 1 1 51T 47T Bobby Mathews 8 1 1 53 -- Cy Seymour 7 1 1 54T -- Duke Farrell 6 1 1 54T 52T Jim Whitney 6 1 1 Dropped Out: John Donaldson (43), Billy Nash (47T), Roy Thomas (47T), Levi Meyerle (51), Johnny Evers (52T), Jimmy Williams (52T), Harry Wright (52T). JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head
Posted: August 18, 2004 at 04:42 AM | 28 comment(s)
Related News: Hall of Merit: Ben TaylorThe best Negro League first baseman before Buck Leonard. How does he compare with his white contemporaries? John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy
Posted: August 17, 2004 at 09:35 PM | 88 comment(s)
Related News: Hall of Merit: Jules ThomasYou say you want another Deadball centerfielder to analyze? You got it! John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy
Posted: August 17, 2004 at 09:27 PM | 18 comment(s)
Related News: Hall of Merit: John Henry LloydWas he the “black Honus Wagner” or was Wagner the “white Pop Lloyd?” John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy
Posted: August 17, 2004 at 09:22 PM | 105 comment(s)
Related News: Hall of Merit: Cristóbal TorrienteRube Foster’s “big gun” for the Chicago American Giants is another centerfielder to compare with Cobb, Speaker, Roush and Carey. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy
Posted: August 17, 2004 at 09:17 PM | 87 comment(s)
Related News: Hall of Merit: Smokey Joe WilliamsWho was better during the Deadball Era: Johnson, Alexander or Williams? That’s how good Smokey Joe was that he doesn’t look foolish being in that question. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy
Posted: August 17, 2004 at 09:08 PM | 38 comment(s)
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