Defense Over the Last Twenty Years - Part Five: AL Outfield
Top Career Defensive Performances – American League Outfield
The American League outfield leaders are full of people I wouldn’t have thought of. There are a few players I do think of, but many others I wouldn’t have named. It isn’t that they aren’t good fielders, but there simply are very few outstanding fielders in the OF for the AL over the last 20 years.
Left Field
Left Field saw a lot of players rotating through the position and had very few “career” left fielders over the period. Over two thousand players logged innings in left field - that’s 100 a season for the 14 teams. It’s obviously an offensive position.
The leader over the last two decades was Garret Anderson. He has played a lot and played well. He’s good enough to spend time at right field and center. He’s not great, and it shows with a mediocre, but above average, RS/150. Anderson is much better in left than the other slots.
YEAR POS NAME LAST TEAM LG GP INN RSpt RS/150
1994 LF Garret Anderson Cal AL 4 28.0 0 10
1995 LF Garret Anderson Cal AL 99 815.7 2 4
1996 LF Garret Anderson Cal AL 140 1247.3 10 11
1997 LF Garret Anderson Ana AL 130 1085.7 9 11
1998 LF Garret Anderson Ana AL 39 303.0 0 -1
1999 LF Garret Anderson Ana AL 32 279.7 4 20
2001 LF Garret Anderson Ana AL 144 1252.7 2 2
2002 LF Garret Anderson Ana AL 137 1178.7 7 8
2003 LF Garret Anderson Ana AL 144 1241.3 9 10
2005 LF Garret Anderson LAA AL 106 920.0 1 1
10 yrs LF Garret Anderson LAA AL 975 8352.0 45 7
5 yrs CF Garret Anderson Ana AL 404 3394.7 -10 -4
8 yrs RF Garret Anderson Ana AL 154 1290.3 3 3
12 yrs OF Garret Anderson Ana AL 1533 13217.0 38 4
The second place left fielder will please most every reader - Rickey Henderson. Rickey has played a long time, and has always played well when in the field.
YEAR POS NAME LAST TEAM LG GP INN RSpt RS/150
1987 LF Rickey Henderson NYY AL 34 273.7 1 5
1988 LF Rickey Henderson NYY AL 136 1172.0 10 11
1989 LF Rickey Henderson Oak AL 82 713.7 10 19
1989 LF Rickey Henderson NYY AL 65 558.3 7 16
1990 LF Rickey Henderson Oak AL 119 993.3 4 5
1991 LF Rickey Henderson Oak AL 119 982.3 -1 -2
1992 LF Rickey Henderson Oak AL 108 883.3 3 4
1993 LF Rickey Henderson Tor AL 44 377.0 3 10
1993 LF Rickey Henderson Oak AL 74 630.7 -1 -1
1994 LF Rickey Henderson Oak AL 66 518.3 4 10
1995 LF Rickey Henderson Oak AL 90 741.3 -3 -5
1997 LF Rickey Henderson Ana AL 11 92.0 1 10
1998 LF Rickey Henderson Oak AL 142 1104.0 7 9
2000 LF Rickey Henderson Sea AL 88 691.0 2 3
2002 LF Rickey Henderson Bos AL 49 378.3 -3 -10
15 yrs LF Rickey Henderson Bos AL 1227 10109.3 42 6
I want to include a top notch young player - Carl Crawford. Crawford has an exceptional rate, although not the highest. He’s also a good offensive player and should be recognized more often as a star.
YEAR POS NAME LAST TEAM LG GP INN RSpt RS/150
2002 LF Carl Crawford TB AL 63 561.3 1 2
2003 LF Carl Crawford TB AL 137 1159.3 7 8
2004 LF Carl Crawford TB AL 122 1010.0 13 17
2005 LF Carl Crawford TB AL 147 1247.7 11 12
4 yrs LF Carl Crawford TB AL 469 3978.3 31 11
Crawford only has four seasons, and that can easily erase, but after watching him, he has the speed and the ability to pass Anderson before he becomes a free agent.
Center Field
Centerfield is the position that everyone knows who the best fielders are. However, the leader in CF put some distance between him and the rest of the crowd. That’s an impressive feat at such a defensive position and one where we saw extreme evenness of talent in the NL. The third best CF has moved on to the NL, but he piled up a fistful of runs saved during his tenure. Carlos Beltran also hit a ton.
YEAR POS NAME Last TEAM LG GP INN RSpt RS/150
1998 CF Carlos Beltran KC AL 14 117.0 1 12
1999 CF Carlos Beltran KC AL 154 1353.7 11 11
2000 CF Carlos Beltran KC AL 83 723.3 4 7
2001 CF Carlos Beltran KC AL 152 1324.0 1 1
2002 CF Carlos Beltran KC AL 149 1308.3 11 11
2003 CF Carlos Beltran KC AL 130 1123.0 10 12
2004 CF Carlos Beltran KC AL 69 597.0 1 3
7 yrs CF Carlos Beltran KC AL 751 6546.3 38 8
Like Beltran, the second best fielder has moved over to the NL. Aaron Rowand also posted ridiculously high RS/150 numbers. He ran into the outfield wall in his new park in Philadelphia and it appears to have affected his game. We’ll see if Rowand can get back on track - with such a high defensive rate, he has tremendous potential for a phenomenal career.
YEAR POS NAME Last TEAM LG GP INN RSpt RS/150
2001 CF Aaron Rowand CWS AL 32 237.3 4 23
2002 CF Aaron Rowand CWS AL 76 602.7 9 20
2003 CF Aaron Rowand CWS AL 65 379.7 7 25
2004 CF Aaron Rowand CWS AL 126 1019.7 11 14
2005 CF Aaron Rowand CWS AL 157 1368.7 16 16
5 yrs CF Aaron Rowand CWS AL 456 3608.0 47 17
The best centerfielder is easily guessed. He gets mentioned for his ability to run down anything in the air regularly, and he’s one of the players, like Ozzie Smith, that people want to know just how good he was. I’m also curious about who the Angels use for scouts, because they do a great job of identifying great outfielders. The top CF in the AL over the last 20 years is Devon White.
YEAR POS NAME Last TEAM LG GP INN RSpt RS/150
1987 CF Devon White Cal AL 67 452.7 4 10
1988 CF Devon White Cal AL 116 979.7 12 17
1989 CF Devon White Cal AL 154 1366.7 21 20
1990 CF Devon White Cal AL 122 1014.7 8 11
1991 CF Devon White Tor AL 156 1384.0 7 7
1992 CF Devon White Tor AL 152 1307.0 12 13
1993 CF Devon White Tor AL 145 1266.7 5 5
1994 CF Devon White Tor AL 98 814.7 7 11
1995 CF Devon White Tor AL 100 862.3 0 0
9 yrs CF Devon White Cal/Tor AL 1110 9448.3 75 11
6 yrs CF Devon White Fla+ NL 609 5038.3 22 6
15 yrs CF Devon White All All 1719 14486.6 97 9
White was an outstanding fielder as you all expected. 10 wins above average - that’s awesome out of centerfield defense.
There is one more centerfielder I want to list - except that he’s a first baseman. Or sometimes a left fielder. Whichever, he’s got incredible fielding instincts is stands out all over the field. Darin Erstad is just Mr. Leather.
YEAR POS NAME Last TEAM LG GP INN RSpt RS/150
1996 CF Darin Erstad Cal AL 36 309.3 1 3
1997 CF Darin Erstad Ana AL 1 9.0 0 36
1998 CF Darin Erstad Ana AL 3 26.0 1 43
1999 CF Darin Erstad Ana AL 2 18.0 0 4
2000 CF Darin Erstad Ana AL 30 219.7 4 22
2001 CF Darin Erstad Ana AL 146 1269.3 7 7
2002 CF Darin Erstad Ana AL 143 1228.7 14 16
2003 CF Darin Erstad Ana AL 66 559.3 6 14
8 yrs CF Darin Erstad Ana AL 427 3639.3 32 12
4 yrs LF Darin Erstad Ana AL 260 2208.3 31 19
8 yrs 1B Darin Erstad LAA AL 568 4658.3 28 8
10 yrs All Darin Erstad Ana AL 1255 10506.0 91 12
Erstad is a brilliant defensive player. His left field RS/150 numbers dwarf everyone else, and his RS/150 CF numbers are the tops as well. The Angels are wasting some significant value playing him at first base.
Right Field
What would an American League outfield ranking be without a representative from SoCal? The third best right fielder, in terms of most RSpt, is Tim Salmon.
YEAR POS NAME Last TEAM LG GP INN RSpt RS/150
1992 RF Tim Salmon Cal AL 21 189.3 0 3
1993 RF Tim Salmon Cal AL 141 1220.7 12 13
1994 RF Tim Salmon Cal AL 99 872.7 2 3
1995 RF Tim Salmon Cal AL 142 1257.3 10 10
1996 RF Tim Salmon Cal AL 153 1340.7 6 6
1997 RF Tim Salmon Ana AL 153 1373.7 8 8
1998 RF Tim Salmon Ana AL 19 163.7 0 -2
1999 RF Tim Salmon Ana AL 89 786.3 1 1
2000 RF Tim Salmon Ana AL 124 1070.7 4 5
2001 RF Tim Salmon Ana AL 125 1087.3 0 0
2002 RF Tim Salmon Ana AL 111 919.7 4 5
2003 RF Tim Salmon Ana AL 78 604.3 -3 -7
2004 RF Tim Salmon Ana AL 6 39.0 0 0
13 yrs RF Tim Salmon Ana AL 1261 10925.3 43 5
Salmon was always a solid fielder if not spectacular.
From time to time I read a discussion about the Atlanta Braves ability to judge talent, and they never trade away a future star. Well, almost never. Jermaine Dye is a leading candidate for MVP this season, and his career in the outfield is just as stellar. Dye finished second in RSpt over the last twenty years.
YEAR POS NAME Last TEAM LG GP INN RSpt RS/150
1997 RF Jermaine Dye KC AL 75 600.0 3 7
1998 RF Jermaine Dye KC AL 59 513.3 9 25
1999 RF Jermaine Dye KC AL 157 1359.7 9 9
2000 RF Jermaine Dye KC AL 146 1260.3 8 8
2001 RF Jermaine Dye KC AL 92 796.3 10 17
2001 RF Jermaine Dye Oak AL 61 538.7 1 2
2002 RF Jermaine Dye Oak AL 111 956.3 -7 -9
2003 RF Jermaine Dye Oak AL 60 500.3 -1 -3
2004 RF Jermaine Dye Oak AL 134 1178.0 8 9
2005 RF Jermaine Dye CWS AL 140 1235.3 6 6
9 yrs RF Jermaine Dye All AL 1035 8938.3 46 7
I would doubt even hardcore baseball fans like us would have guessed these two as the top fielders. What makes it worse is the overall leader. As this cannot be guessed, I’ll just tell you: Paul “Rumpelstiltskin” O’Neill. Not a typo; not a calculation error. I am stunned at his finish.
YEAR POS NAME Last TEAM LG GP INN RSpt RS/150
1993 RF Paul O'Neill NYY AL 103 759.3 6 10
1994 RF Paul O'Neill NYY AL 90 753.3 2 4
1995 RF Paul O'Neill NYY AL 107 856.3 5 7
1996 RF Paul O'Neill NYY AL 146 1242.7 18 19
1997 RF Paul O'Neill NYY AL 146 1263.0 4 4
1998 RF Paul O'Neill NYY AL 150 1299.7 17 17
1999 RF Paul O'Neill NYY AL 151 1303.3 6 6
2000 RF Paul O'Neill NYY AL 140 1153.3 2 3
2001 RF Paul O'Neill NYY AL 130 1094.3 -4 -4
9 yrs RF Paul O'Neill NYY AL 1163 9725.3 55 8
6 yrs RF Paul O'Neill Cin NL 685 5666.3 37 9
15yrs RF Paul O'Neill Cin/NYY ALL 1848 15391.6 92 8
O’Neill was good nearly every season and had a couple of monster seasons - coinciding with Yankee Championships. His defense in 1998 certainly contributed to those 125 wins. Wow, O’Neill’s total is amzaingly high.
There is the outfield for the last twenty years: Anderson, White and O’Neill. Dye, Erstad and White all won a Gold Glove. White won seven, and he looks like he deserved them.
Next up: the Missed and the Misunderstood. Who have we missed? Who do we have to know about? Jim Edmonds? Chipper Jones? Derek Jeter?
Chris Dial
Posted: September 03, 2006 at 03:03 AM |
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1. Chris Dial Posted: September 03, 2006 at 06:31 AM (#2166223)I can't imagine that I ever would have come up with O'Neill's name, but he always looked pretty solid out there to me.
there is no question that no baseball player of the last 20 years is as famous for playing defense as....
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Deion Sanders...
did he cover as much ground in the outfield as he id in the backfield?
1) Rusty Greer: Johnny Oates always used to say that you needed a LF with nearly as much range as a CF at TBiA, and the announcers unerringly raved about his defense...how much sizzle and how much steak?
2) Ruben Sierra: He came up as a huge-potential 5-tool guy...did his defensive mirror his offensive decline?
I don't know what park effect would have you get easier FBs. Not sure how that would work.
Is it safe to assume that Henderson's ratings in 2002 were affected by the Green Monster?
Absolutely.
TOT RF Paul O'Neill Cin NL 685 5666.3 37 9
two excellent selections.
Thanks for all the great work, it's really nice to have something other than FRAA to look at players with. Actually, it might be interesting to see how close (or far) your numbers are from theirs.
the UZR numbers you know were off, and have been recalculated.
Happy to post them.
Well, if big walls hurt your numbers, maybe short walls help them. Not too many of those (RF in Fenway, corners in Dodger Stadium are pretty low right?). But a ball that would normally hit 6 feet off the wall and count against an OF ends up in the stands and doesn't. I can't imagine there are enough of those to matter.
Also if hitting backgrounds make a difference (and I'm not 100% sure they do make a big one), then maybe different stadia offer better fielding backgrounds. One can certainly imagine that the Metrodome is tougher to field flyballs in.
And what about foul territory down the lines? I'd imagine LF and RF in Wrigley must lose a few chances that other OF get -- or are those not included in the zones?
Here's a real nerdy project -- any way you can look at the impact of "sun fields" with this data? You'd need PBP (preferably timed but you can probably guesstimate from starting time and batters faced ... adjusting for rain and other delays if you can) and weather reports.
yes, those are the things that contribute, but as you note, that is not likely much of an impact. I do like tohe comparison to the hitters eye, and think there is something to that - the Metrodome you mention. I don't see that in Anaheim, and usually, LF and RF fielders ahve different backgrounds.
Regarding your mention of Rob Deer in the same breath as Inky either you have been given bad information or misinterpreted some data. Despite some high error totals Deer was above average in the outfield. Deer was a big guy with shoulders as wide as a buffalo's, but Rob moved very well. He challenged many a wall in his time in Milwaukee.
I will be flabbergasted if Chris' handiwork grades Deer as anything less then average.
I understand this reads as "homerism", but I believe in giving credit where credit is due. Rob Deer made a positive all-around contribution to the Brewers in the late 80's/early 90's.
Everybody says this yet they forget his injury history. 1B is merely the Angels saying, okay, we're going to get some value out of him, because he's going to self-destruct if we leave him in center.
What's the point? Leave him in CF until he self-destructs, and meanwhile win some games with a decent hitter at 1B.
Yeah. Great Idea. Maybe they should try that in 2006.
Maybe they should. 8-)
I remember Paul O'Neill always rating highly in ZR in the mid-to-late-90s, and always thinking that this was a huge obstacle to accepting ZR. It always seemed like Bernie had to come over and bail him out on any fly in the gap; of course, I only saw the Yankees a few times per season, which really isn't the way to evaluate anybody.
YEAR TEAM LG POS GP GS INN TC PO A E DP FPCT RF Avg1987 NYY AL RF 172 0 1446.1 297 288 6 3 1 0.99 1.85 -3
1988 NYY AL RF 180 0 1457.3 337 329 4 4 1 0.988 2.08 -9
1989 NYY AL RF 188 0 1415.2 406 380 20 6 4 0.985 2.58 7
1990 NYY AL RF 189 0 1444.2 371 345 17 9 3 0.976 2.31 -5
1991 NYY AL RF 186 162 1445.6 369 349 17 3 6 0.992 2.3 -2
1992 NYY AL RF 187 162 1452.1 352 334 10 8 3 0.977 2.18 -2
1993 NYY AL RF 197 162 1438.1 302 291 7 4 3 0.987 1.89 9
1994 NYY AL RF 131 113 1019.2 252 243 8 1 0 0.996 2.23 -2
1995 NYY AL RF 178 145 1284.2 300 288 6 6 2 0.98 2.1 3
1996 NYY AL RF 191 162 1440.3 358 347 10 1 3 0.997 2.24 21
1997 NYY AL RF 186 162 1467.2 360 340 9 11 1 0.969 2.21 4
1998 NYY AL RF 179 162 1457.2 337 322 11 4 5 0.988 2.08 16
1999 NYY AL RF 184 162 1439.2 341 322 11 8 3 0.977 2.13 5
2000 NYY AL RF 202 161 1424.4 386 376 6 4 4 0.99 2.44 2
2001 NYY AL RF 194 161 1451.1 300 293 3 4 0 0.987 1.86 0
2002 NYY AL RF 201 161 1452.3 319 304 8 7 2 0.978 1.98 -6
2003 NYY AL RF 186 161 1452.3 319 304 8 7 2 0.978 1.98 -1
2004 NYY AL RF 193 162 1444.2 359 339 13 7 4 0.981 2.24 -7
2005 NYY AL RF 189 163 1431.8 322 310 7 5 1 0.984 2.02 -20
Total 10
YEAR POS Age NAME TEAM LG GP INN RSpt RS/162
1987 RF 22 Jay Buhner NYY AL 2 18 0 32
1988 RF 23 Jay Buhner NYY AL 3 9.1 0 42
1988 RF 23 Jay Buhner Sea AL 56 482 7 22
1989 RF 24 Jay Buhner Sea AL 56 479.1 -5 -15
1990 RF 25 Jay Buhner Sea AL 39 304 -7 -32
1991 RF 26 Jay Buhner Sea AL 131 1011.1 -4 -6
1992 RF 27 Jay Buhner Sea AL 150 1325.1 -10 -11
1993 RF 28 Jay Buhner Sea AL 148 1286.1 -13 -15
1994 RF 29 Jay Buhner Sea AL 95 822 -5 -8
1995 RF 30 Jay Buhner Sea AL 120 1046 -16 -23
1996 RF 31 Jay Buhner Sea AL 142 1230.1 -9 -11
1997 RF 32 Jay Buhner Sea AL 154 1326 -9 -10
1998 RF 33 Jay Buhner Sea AL 70 572.2 -10 -26
1999 RF 34 Jay Buhner Sea AL 85 694 -4 -9
2000 RF 35 Jay Buhner Sea AL 104 803 -8 -15
2001 RF 36 Jay Buhner Sea AL 2 11 0 40
16 Yrs RF Jay Buhner NYY/Sea AL 1357 114198 -93 -12
I'm using Chris's method here, although it may be a few runs off here and there. I'm also using RS/162, not RS/150.
That reminds me of something I wanted to look at using Retrosheet... Barfield's double plays. Bill James once noted that although most outfield DPs are doubling off runners, most of Barfield's DPs (he has eight in '85 and eight in '86, huge numbers) were "probably" on aborted sac flies and therefore had an impact of one run apiece (plus the value of the out). I have wanted to check that for a while now because while it squares with my memory of watching the Jays in those years, I frankly don't trust that kind of reasoning.
By the way, I just went back and found the original comment is on p.264 of the '87 Abstract, in Jesse's player comment as the #1 AL rightfielder. 20 years and I can remember huge chunks of the Abstracts word for word; and yet I can't remember the name of the woman I was ####ing in 1992 and '93. I must be diseased.
Anyhow, I looked at the Retrosheet dailies for Barfield's 21 double plays in 84-86.
4/19/84... ORIOLES 8TH: Singleton hit into a double play (right to first) [Lowenstein out at second]
5/21/84... TWINS 6TH: Engle hit into a double play (right to first) [Hrbek out at second]
7/15/84... ATHLETICS 5TH: Almon hit into a double play (right to first) [Wagner out at second]
7/25/84... ROYALS 3RD: Orta hit into a double play (right to second to first) [Sheridan out at second]
8/25/84... TWINS 9TH: Washington hit into a double play (right to shortstop) [Teufel out at third] (note : this ended the 9th inning of a tie game. Talk about your bonehead plays by Teufel.)
5/5/85... MARINERS 5TH: Bradley hit into a double play [Owen out at home (right to catcher)]
7/9/85... MARINERS 2ND: Reynolds hit into a double play [Presley out at home (right to catcher)] and then, because he felt he hadn't had enough excitement, MARINERS 3RD: G. Thomas singled to right [Bradley out at home (right to catcher), G. Thomas out at home (catcher to left to catcher)]; Martinez breaks ankle on collision at plate; Thomas takes 3b on throw; Martinez (on ground) throws into lf; Bell throws home and Martinez makes catch and tag while seated.
That game, incidentally, went 13 innings and the Jays won 9-4. The Mariners had three guys thrown out at the plate in two innings in a game they eventually lost in extras, and yet Chuck Cottier is still alive. I wonder who his third base coach was.
It says a lot about those mid-80s Mariners teams that they busted a guy's ankle (and prematurely ended his career) on a play and still managed to turn a clean single to right into an inning-ending double play.
7/11/85... ANGELS 7TH: Beniquez hit into a double play (right to third) [Carew out at third]
8/2/85... RANGERS 1ST: Harrah hit into a double play (right to first) [McDowell out at second]
9/9/85... TIGERS 2ND: Evans hit into a double play [Herndon out at home (right to catcher)]
9/24/85... (JB in center) RED SOX 3RD: Buckner hit into a double play [Romine scored (unearned), Evans out at third (center to catcher to third)]
9/25/85... RED SOX 11TH: Hoffman hit into a double play [Lyons out at home (right to catcher)]
4/22/86... RANGERS 4TH: Fletcher hit into a double play (right to catcher) [Wilkerson out at home]
5/9/86... MARINERS 4TH: Owen hit into a double play (right to first) [Yeager out at second]
6/24/86... BREWERS 7TH: Moore flied into a double play (right to catcher to pitcher to third) [Gantner out at third]; Gantner left 3b too soon and out on appeal;
7/9/86... (JB in center) MARINERS 4TH: Ramos flied into a double play (center to catcher to
third) [Henderson out at third]; Henderson left 3b too soon and out on appeal; Dick Williams ejected;
7/12/86... ATHLETICS 1ST: Griffin lined into a double play (right to second) [Phillips out at second]
8/2/86... ORIOLES 1ST: Ripken lined into a double play (right to catcher)
9/9/86... YANKEES 5TH (JB has already thrown out Rickey at the plate): Henderson hit into a double play [Skinner out at home (right to catcher)
9/11/86... YANKEES 3RD: Tolleson hit into a double play (right to shortstop) [Henderson out at second, and ya think Rickey was glad to see the end of that series?]
Of those 21 double plays,
1 was on a busted play in which Barfield threw out a runner at the plate and another runner was caught later,
2 times runners were out at the plate on appeal plays for leaving too soon,
7 were on aborted sacrifice flies,
11 were runners doubled off, either trying to advance to second or third, or getting back to base. I guess Bill wasn't quite right. I do know that a lot of Barfield's non-DP assists in those years were guys being tossed out at the plate. I guess that's next.
I was working that game for the wire service...pretty sure it was AP that night, not UPI. A couple of quick memories:
1) Buck Martinez' second putout at the plate one of the most heroic and most extraordinary plays I've ever seen. He was barely motile, but he edged back into a good position to make the play. One has to keep in mind that Gorperson at that stage of his career was not a great baserunner, but he wasn't trying to get tagged -- Martinez just didn't seem to care, like the Black Knight in "Holy Grail", he acted as though it was only a flesh wound and nothing would keep him from that second putout. Great courage. BTW: The throw from Jorge Bell was good, but not brilliant the way Barfield's were.
2) Barfield's two throws were extraordinary accurate ropes. Looked like Reggie Smith out there. Wire service has a Law (from the Protocols of The Elders of Hoboken, perhaps) that defense can NEVER go in the lead. But those two plays were the story of the game...well the first 9 innings at least...and snuffed the M's chances to take a lead. So I flanked their protocol and did something reporters post-1950 aren't really allowed to do and that' give players nicknames. I got "Bazooka" into the wire service bucket as Barfield's nickname. Told the pendejo in NYC office everyone on the team called him that. It's about 2 a.m. in NY, and since I won't back down, they used it. Bazooka hung around for a little while, a few years, before they caught on.
Mike, happy to help, and I'll be putting up the whole database. I'm working with Jim on having it routinely available.
There won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness.
There won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness.
There won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness.
it is only marginally so, but sure, a +5 firlder is worth slightly more than a +5 hitter.
Oh, I have been saying that and arguing with Szym about it for a decade.
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