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Tuesday, August 29, 2006

Defensive Rankings by Position- NL - Aug 27

NL Defense through August 27

The following data represent the defensive rankings for the American League players by position, with a minimum of 500 innings played. RSpt is Runs Saved for the playing time of the player above average for that much playing time. RS/150 is how many runs that would be in 150 games played. This is explained in the methodology here.

 

Catcher

Pos

NAME

LAST

TEAM

GP

INN

RSpt

RS/150

2

Yadier

Molina,

StL

98

831.7

5

8

2

Miguel

Olivo,

Fla

97

752.0

5

8

2

Yorvit

Torrealba,

Col

57

480.3

4

10

2

Ronny

Paulino,

Pit

101

841.0

3

5

2

Johnny

Estrada,

Ari

94

799.3

3

5

2

Jason

LaRue,

Cin

54

450.3

3

8

2

Damian

Miller,

Mil

87

748.3

2

4

2

David

Ross,

Cin

55

455.3

2

6

2

Brian

Schneider,

Was

98

798.3

1

2

2

Russell

Martin,

LA

87

760.3

1

2

2

Eliezer

Alfonzo,

SF

60

509.0

0

1

2

Brad

Ausmus,

Hou

109

893.0

-1

-1

2

Brian

McCann,

Atl

93

767.0

-1

-2

2

Paul

LoDuca

NYM

94

826.3

-4

-7

2

Michael

Barrett,

ChC

96

803.3

-7

-11

2

Mike

Piazza,

SD

77

560.0

-11

-28

 

Piazza still struggles behind the plate.  Those bottom three really drag down the average.

 

First Base

 

Pos

NAME

Last

Team

GP

INN

RSpt

RS/150

3

Scott

Hatteberg

Cin

107

901.3

6

8

3

Nomar

Garciaparra

LA

94

823.3

3

5

3

Carlos

Delgado

NYM

115

1026.7

3

4

3

Adrian

Gonzalez

SD

124

1076

2

3

3

Adam

LaRoche

Atl

114

912

1

2

3

Conor

Jackson

Ari

99

834.7

1

1

3

Albert

Pujols

StL

110

962.7

1

1

3

Lance

Berkman

Hou

80

648.3

1

2

3

Todd

Helton

Col

113

997

0

0

3

Mike

Jacobs

Fla

103

810.3

-1

-1

3

Ryan

Howard

Phi

126

1117

-1

-1

3

Nick

Johnson

Was

123

1049.3

-1

-2

3

Prince

Fielder

Mil

122

1065.7

-9

-11

 

Hatteberg can pick it?  MONEYBALL!

 

Second Base

 

Pos

NAME

Last

Team

GP

INN

RSpt

RS/150

4

Jose

Valentin

NYM

67

559.7

9

21

4

Jamey

Carroll

Col

95

784.3

7

12

4

Craig

Biggio

Hou

104

852.3

6

9

4

Aaron

Miles

StL

86

642.7

1

3

4

Chase

Utley

Phi

123

1073.3

1

2

4

Josh

Barfield

SD

120

1051.3

0

0

4

Orlando

Hudson

Ari

127

1097.7

-2

-2

4

Dan

Uggla

Fla

117

1007.0

-2

-2

4

Brandon

Phillips

Cin

117

1001.7

-3

-4

4

Ray

Durham

SF

105

910.7

-3

-5

4

Jeff

Kent

LA

82

679.7

-5

-9

4

Jose

Vidro

Was

91

764.7

-5

-9

4

Marcus

Giles

Atl

108

934.7

-5

-8

4

Rickie

Weeks

Mil

92

794.0

-8

-13

4

Jose

Castillo

Pit

118

1019.7

-15

-20

 

Jose Valentin is having a great year.  First Fielder, and now Weeks; that’s gotta frustrate.

 

Third Base

 

Pos

NAME

Last

Team

GP

INN

RSpt

RS/150

5

Corey

Koskie

Mil

70

603.3

8

18

5

Pedro

Feliz

SF

128

1115.7

7

9

5

Scott

Rolen

StL

113

978.0

6

9

5

Freddy

Sanchez

Pit

82

690.7

5

10

5

Morgan

Ensberg

Hou

99

858.7

5

8

5

Vinny

Castilla

SD

69

575.0

4

10

5

Aramis

Ramirez

ChC

125

1090.0

0

0

5

Ryan

Zimmerman

Was

125

1089.3

-1

-1

5

Chad

Tracy

Ari

121

1076.7

-1

-2

5

Garrett

Atkins

Col

125

1101.7

-3

-3

5

David

Bell

Mil/Phi

114

984.7

-3

-4

5

Chipper

Jones

Atl

90

783.3

-5

-9

5

David

Wright

NYM

124

1119.7

-8

-10

5

Miguel

Cabrera

Fla

126

1072.7

-9

-11

5

Edwin

Encarnacion

Cin

82

688.3

-9

-19

 

Koskie got the Brewer infield off the hook.  David Wright and Miguel Cabrera still struggling, but possibly improving.  Scott Rolen still shining.  Pedro Feliz?  I was unaware.

 

Shortstop

 

Pos

NAME

Last

Team

GP

INN

RSpt

RS/150

6

Adam

Everett

Hou

119

1040.0

20

26

6

Omar

Vizquel

SF

123

1059.3

10

13

6

Jose

Reyes

NYM

120

1080.7

10

12

6

David

Eckstein

StL

115

992.3

8

11

6

Khalil

Greene

SD

111

989.7

5

6

6

Clint

Barmes

Col

116

1000.7

4

5

6

Craig

Counsell

Ari

74

640.7

3

7

6

Rafael

Furcal

LA

124

1091.3

0

0

6

Ronny

Cedeno

ChC

105

883.3

-2

-2

6

Jack

Wilson

Pit

108

930.0

-2

-4

6

Bill

Hall

Mil

96

824.7

-3

-5

6

Edgar

Renteria

Atl

115

1008.0

-4

-5

6

Jimmy

Rollins

Phi

124

1089.0

-4

-5

6

Royce

Clayton

Cin/Was

115

953.7

-4

-5

6

Hanley

Ramirez

Fla

121

1040.0

-11

-14

6

Felipe

Lopez

Cin/Was

123

1065.0

-17

-21

 

What is wrong with Felipe Lopez?  And Adam Everett is a defensive monster.  Renteria has improved since the ASB.

 

Left Field

 

Pos

NAME

Last

Team

GP

INN

RSpt

RS/150

7

Ryan

Langerhans,

Atl

80

574.7

12

29

7

Dave

Roberts,

SD

86

729.3

11

20

7

Cliff

Floyd,

NYM

75

635.3

5

11

7

Matt

Murton,

ChC

102

793.0

5

8

7

Andre

Ethier,

LA

88

722.0

3

6

7

Barry

Bonds,

SF

92

698.0

3

6

7

Alfonso

Soriano,

Was

127

1100.7

3

4

7

Matt

Holliday,

Col

121

1053.0

2

3

7

Pat

Burrell,

Phi

98

783.3

1

2

7

Luis

Gonzalez,

Ari

121

1076.3

-1

-2

7

Carlos

Lee,

Mil

98

835.3

-2

-3

7

Jason

Bay,

Pit

127

1101.0

-5

-6

7

Adam

Dunn,

Cin

125

1082.0

-10

-13

7

Josh

Willingham,

Fla

100

802.3

-12

-21

7

Preston

Wilson,

Hou/StL

95

824.0

-19

-31

 

Ryan Langerhans needs some playing time.  His defense is superb.  His defense is what Andruw’s is purported to be.  dave Roberts has made a huge jump in teh standings, and looks to deserve a Gold Glove.  Bonds’ defense is hanging tough.

 

Center Field

 

Pos

NAME

Last

Team

GP

INN

RSpt

RS/150

8

Juan

Pierre,

ChC

129

1137.0

12

15

8

Carlos

Beltran,

NYM

112

983.7

12

16

8

Eric

Byrnes,

Ari

102

875.0

8

12

8

Reggie

Abercrombie,

Fla

84

586.0

7

15

8

Mike

Cameron,

SD

108

970.3

6

8

8

Willy

Taveras,

Hou

113

916.3

5

8

8

Jim

Edmonds,

StL

95

763.3

5

9

8

Steve

Finley,

SF

108

828.0

4

7

8

Cory

Sullivan,

Col

95

739.3

-1

-2

8

Kenny

Lofton,

LA

92

740.3

-2

-4

8

Aaron

Rowand,

Phi

107

901.7

-3

-5

8

Brady

Clark,

Mil

101

800.0

-4

-6

8

Andruw

Jones,

Atl

120

1037.0

-6

-8

8

Ken

GriffeyJr

Cin

93

807.7

-11

-18

 

Carlos Beltran is the MVP.  Griffey is struggling again.

 

Right Field

 

Pos

NAME

LAST

TEAM

GP

INN

RSpt

RS/150

9

Juan

Encarnacion,

StL

115

918.0

8

12

9

Brian

Giles,

SD

126

1120.0

7

8

9

Jacque

Jones,

ChC

117

973.7

4

6

9

Jeremy

Hermida,

Fla

82

659.0

4

8

Chris Dial Posted: August 29, 2006 at 02:08 AM | 33 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 29, 2006 at 06:07 AM (#2159954)
It amazing how good Valentin is at second considering how little he has played it in his career.
   2. Baldrick Posted: August 29, 2006 at 06:24 AM (#2159958)
Holy formatting, Batman!

My initial reaction is that a lot of young guys are doing terribly. I thought defensive peak was supposed to be really early. Or does it take a little while for them to adjust to the big leagues, and then they quickly peak? Or is it just a few random high-profile kids doing badly?
   3. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: August 29, 2006 at 06:34 AM (#2159962)
Jose Reyes... is there anything he can't do? *swoon*

Mr. Dial, how does Endy Chavez look? (or is there not enough data at a given OF slot?)
   4. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: August 29, 2006 at 06:38 AM (#2159963)
Are these directly comparable to the AL numbers or are these runs above/below average calculated separately for each league? Sorry I couldn't read the text above and may have missed it if it was covered there.
   5. Srul Itza At Home Posted: August 29, 2006 at 06:57 AM (#2159969)
If Omar is still that good at that age -- you would expect he has been very good for a long period of time.
   6. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: August 29, 2006 at 02:04 PM (#2160116)
Thanks for the formatting. Er...could we get all the right fielders? TIA.
   7. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: August 29, 2006 at 02:14 PM (#2160127)
Yikes, what happened to Aaron Rowand? Or did we Sox fans overrate him?
   8. Mark S. is bored Posted: August 29, 2006 at 02:19 PM (#2160134)
From the July 11 stats:
Third Base

Pos    NAME    Last            Team    GP    GS    INN    RSpt    RS/150
5    David    Wright      NYM    86    86    786.3    -11    -19


and now:
Third Base

Pos     NAME     Last     Team     GP     INN     RSpt     RS/150
5     David     Wright      NYM     124     1119.7     -8     -10


So his RSpt went from -11 to -8 and his RS/150 went from -19 to -10 in about 6 weeks. It looks like his defense is coming around.
   9. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: August 29, 2006 at 02:23 PM (#2160143)
Holy formatting, Batman!


Formatting is great this time around; except that the RFers seemed to disappear except for the top 4.
   10. Kyle S Posted: August 29, 2006 at 04:00 PM (#2160265)
Agree wholeheartedly with the langerhans comment. It's apparent (to me at least) that he's a much superior OF to Andruw at this point. He's fast but not lightning fast - he just gets to EVERYTHING, and has a very strong arm as well (which i know isn't included in this rating).

what does +29 in LF translate to in CF - +15 or so?

Pierre probably gives back several runs with his arm.

One other thing about Langerhans - his being left-handed seems to help him make extra plays in LF down the line; when another outfielder would have to backhand the ball, he can dive with his body facing home plate and get more extension. Is there a LH/RH bias in LF versus RF?
   11. ASmitty Posted: August 29, 2006 at 04:03 PM (#2160269)
Special mention for Soriano.
   12. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: August 29, 2006 at 04:05 PM (#2160272)
Yikes, what happened to Aaron Rowand? Or did we Sox fans overrate him?

I remember his UZR being among the best last year, and Dial's numbers supposedly correlate.
   13. Norcan Posted: August 29, 2006 at 04:30 PM (#2160315)
Aaron Rowand was a different center fielder after he came back from his face collision. There were balls getting over his head like I've never seen from him.

He got injured on 5/10 and then returned on 5/27. Chris, do you know his before and after numbers from those dates?
   14. Sweet Posted: August 29, 2006 at 04:38 PM (#2160325)
Aramis Ramirez with better defense than Ryan Zimmerman. It's a mad, mad world.
   15. Chris Dial Posted: August 29, 2006 at 07:47 PM (#2160577)
I'll get back to this. Thanks.
   16. AROM Posted: August 29, 2006 at 08:20 PM (#2160605)
So his RSpt went from -11 to -8 and his RS/150 went from -19 to -10 in about 6 weeks. It looks like his defense is coming around.

Now if only he can remember how to hit homers...
   17. shoewizard Posted: August 29, 2006 at 09:45 PM (#2160682)
How does a team like the d backs only have three guys showing marginally in the negative, (Hudson, Tracy, and Gonzo) and probably Green quite a bit in the negative, once the RF'ers show up, but everyone else in the positive....exceedingly so up the middle at SS, C and CF. Yet they rank 27th in DEF with a .683 mark. It would seem that the D backs defense should rank closer to the middle. Are ALL the bench players just total stiffs with the glove, dragging them down?
   18. Los Angeles Waterloo of Black Hawk Posted: August 29, 2006 at 10:34 PM (#2160710)
It's possible that the majority of BIP are in the zones that have been poorly defended, and/or out of zones altogether.
   19. shoewizard Posted: August 30, 2006 at 12:01 AM (#2160783)
It's possible that the majority of BIP are in the zones that have been poorly defended, and/or out of zones altogether

But how many positions are "poorly" defended? According to this, Hudson Tracy and Gonzo are only slightly less than average, and everyone else is above average. Green is bad, but he can't be so bad as to single handedly drop AZ to 27th in DEF.

Of course maybe the pitchers suck, and as you say, all the balls are being hit out of zones altogether. Still....something is not adding up right.

Estrada +3
Jackson +1
Hudson -2
Tracy -1
Counsell +3
Gonzo -1
Byrnes +8
Green ??
   20. SG Posted: August 30, 2006 at 12:34 AM (#2160796)
Arizona's bench is pretty bad defensively it seems, but Defensive Efficiency is not a good measure of team defense anyway, because of the noise from the pitching staff. Here's the total of each position on Arizona except catcher, including the bench.

2006 Ari 1B 2
2006 Ari 2B -4
2006 Ari 3B -4
2006 Ari CF 8
2006 Ari LF -2
2006 Ari RF -5
2006 Ari SS -4

Total: -5


I'm using Chris's method here, although there may be a few slight differences, but it should be close enough.
   21. SG Posted: August 30, 2006 at 12:38 AM (#2160799)
Oops, total is -9, not -5.
   22. AROM Posted: August 30, 2006 at 12:48 AM (#2160804)
When comparing ZR to DER, don't forget the park. AZ is a hitters park, though I'm not sure how much it raises BABIP.
   23. NTNgod Posted: August 30, 2006 at 01:45 AM (#2160845)
Koskie got the Brewer infield off the hook.

The Brewers' defense is not good*, but it does point out a future problem for static-zone systems.
Milwaukee shifts around on virtually every play almost like a football team, based mostly on prior hit data, IIRC (no advance scouts, it's all video and hit charts). If the player isn't in the zone, or at the very edge... you end up measuring the quality of the positioning as much as the player's actual skill.

To use an example - from observation, Koskie IS a good defensive player, but many times the Brewers' system will have him playing where you would expect Hall to be playing. If I understand correctly, Koskie gets 'bonus points' at 3B for fielding balls there, but is not negatively charged for the balls he doesn't get to while shifted.
*HALL* would be, even if he's nowhere near the play, correct?


* they also seem to prefer to have their OFers line up incredibly deep as a rule, too, which drives me nuts.
   24. shoewizard Posted: August 30, 2006 at 02:48 AM (#2160937)
Thanks for the input SG and Rallymonkey. That makes more sense.
   25. Chris Dial Posted: August 30, 2006 at 02:49 AM (#2160938)
shoewizard -
BIP distribution is the whole deal. The pitchers can allow umpteen million LDs or GBs that don't enter a zone, and that is what depresses DER.

There is no such thing as team defense. It's like team offense.
   26. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 12:43 PM (#2161232)
If I understand correctly, Koskie gets 'bonus points' at 3B for fielding balls there, but is not negatively charged for the balls he doesn't get to while shifted. *HALL* would be, even if he's nowhere near the play, correct?

I think this favors Hall, though (at least in concept). Koskie would be charged for a ball in his designated zone, and furthermore there's nobody there to cover for him. But Hall's zone is covered by Koskie.

IYAM, when there's a wacky shift on, ZR should be turned off. Just like when a bunt is deemed a SH. Maybe it doesn't come up enough to matter, but still.
   27. Walt Davis Posted: September 02, 2006 at 12:38 AM (#2165187)
The 3B numbers look a little odd -- lots of guys having very good seasons and lots of guys having really bad seasons.

The LF numbers, with Bonds, Murton and Floyd doing well (and Wilson doing so horribly) are, shall we say, counterintuitive. Maybe it's the horribleness of others that makes those three look pretty good.
   28. Chris Dial Posted: September 02, 2006 at 03:58 PM (#2165675)
Walt,
I believe the 3B numbers are that way historically. Some teams view 3B as a bat position, while others view it as a defensive position. Since I started this, 3B has had the widest difference.

Floyd did well last year. He's pretty good, IMO.
   29. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: September 03, 2006 at 05:53 PM (#2166400)
I'll admit that I haven't taken the opportunity to read Chris's methodology, but I will assume that OF arm strength/accuracy isn't counted.

Otherwise, there is no way that I can possibly believe that Jacque Jones is the 3rd best RF.

I'm also not buying Murton's ranking either.
   30. Chris Dial Posted: September 03, 2006 at 07:42 PM (#2166520)
No, dJf, OF Asists are not included. But they would only minimally impact the ratings.
   31. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: September 04, 2006 at 05:52 PM (#2167206)
Thanks, Chris. All I know is that, wrt Jones, in 39 years on this planet, I've never seen a MLB outfielder consistently make throws less than 50 feet. It's just incredible.

I'm amazed that even the slowest runners don't try to take an extra base on him. Every time he has a play on a runner, he gets flustered and either unleashes a throw 10 feet over the cutoff man or, more likely, one that bounces 6 times before reaching the infield.

I'm amazed he has 5 OF assists. Apparently, I missed them.
   32. shoewizard Posted: October 17, 2006 at 06:12 PM (#2215065)
Just wondering if you were going to post the final year end numbers. Thanks Chris
   33. dcsmyth1 Posted: February 18, 2008 at 07:27 PM (#2693846)
I saw many/most 2007 Cubs games on TV, as I do every year. I had no sense that I was seeing a good defensive team. I did notice that Ramirez looked much better at 3rd. IIRC, Dewan plus/minus also ranked the Cubs high for 2007. But, I really think it's some sort of statistical illusion--something that hasn't been accounted for.

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