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Dialed In - August 30, 2004

Does Steve Trachsel lull his defense to sleep?

Throw the damn ball!

In one of the Primer discussions, it was muttered that slow pitchers have more errors behind them.  We’ve all heard this: the defense gets bored or distracted or tight.  Fortunately for you, one of the most reputable slowpoke pitchers in the game pitches for the Mets.  Which means I’m interested in this.

One of Bill James’ greatest attributes is his smooth challenging of the accepted baseball conventional wisdom.  James wrote about that – specifically that when an old baseball man asserted something, James would ask “why?” and “Is that really true?”

So someone muttered, and I read, that slow pitchers have more errors made behind them because the defense gets, well, something.  I am not sure what happens, but I believe the defenders are supposed to lose their focus or concentration or some such. 

One of the funny parts to this, for me, is that statheads, when discussing clutch hitting scoff at the idea that hitters suddenly turn on “extra-focus” skills.  The numbers have shown, time and time again, that 99% of players hit about the same “in the clutch”.  Statheads will tell you, “These guys are professionals.  The guys who can’t or don’t focus all the time get weeded out before the majors.”

This same logic slips the mind of statheads on the issue of slow pitchers. 

The question is, can we check this?  We can do several things:

1. Identify slow pitchers.

Certainly - Steve Trachsel. 

I don’t know of any other pitcher that is “accused” of being slow.  Please chime in with pitchers that work slow.  Should I use “Time of Game” as a proxy, or throws to first base?  I’m leaning toward throws to first, because that’s what really takes all the time.  Of course, I don’t know where I am getting “throws to first base” numbers yet, but the Internet has everything somewhere.  Jon Daly informed me that in the 1983 Bill James Abstract, Time of Game for pitchers was listed.  I thought I had that, but I don’t.  If someone gets bored, they can scan it and email it to me.

2. Compare slow pitchers’ statistics against their teammates.

Does Trachsel get errors committed behind him at a greater rate than the other Met starters (and so forth for other slow workers)?

3. Which statistics?

I’m looking at errors committed while pitcher X was on the mound divided by the number of innings pitched.  Is that the correct statistic?  Chip in here.

Mike Emeigh has a nifty database, so to get me off to a good start, he sent me a list of errors committed behind all the pitchers in 2003.  I’m pretty sure he managed it through www.retrosheet.org, a fantabulous site, but Mike has a few sources for play-by-play, so I’m not 100% sure.  Nonetheless, Mike was kind enough to send over the error list.

As soon as I mentioned it to Mike, he said that groundball pitchers would probably be the lead victims.  That makes perfectly good sense.  There are obviously more infield errors than outfield errors.  More groundballs make for more chances at errors.  So off I went in search of groundball/flyball rates.  In reality, I went to MLB.com and looked up groundout/airout ratios (GO/AO).  That’s slightly different, but I believe it will check what we want to use it for.  I also did not park-adjust anything.

Armed with these ideas and an Excel spreadsheet, I have now become just dangerous enough to make some incorrect assumptions, convince myself of something that may be completely wrong and waste your time by writing about it.

Who is in the dataset?

Because of the labor-intensive data gathering, I only dug up GO/AO for the first 100 pitchers in the list (there were some 600).  This covered everyone that qualified for the 2003 ERA title.  I did the sort by Games Started and took everyone with 25 Games Started plus Curt Schilling and Jeff Weaver.  Aaron Sele made the cut with 121.2 IP.  Talk about torturing Angel fans – Sele started 25 games and didn’t average getting through the fifth inning.  That’s frightening.  He was the only one that low.  Colby Lewis was next lowest at 127 IP and then it jumps to 142 IP.  There were 12 of 104 pitchers that were included that did not qualify for the ERA title.  No one that qualified for the ERA title was omitted.  The closest was Johan Santana, who started 18 games for the Minnesota Twins in 2003.

Now before everyone starts jumping up and down about one season, this is the first look.  I know that a single season may not tell you the answers.  More work will be done, but here’s what we found out so far.

I looked at errors per 9 IP, balls in play (BIP) per error, GO/AO and unearned runs (I think that’s the discussion that triggered this).

Basics:

For the 104 pitchers, there were 1429 errors.  That represents about 45% of the total errors.  There were more than 20000 IP and 46000 BIP.  The average E/9IP was 0.641 and the average BIP/E was 32.5.  The average GO/AO (straight average, not weighted) was 1.295.

Of course, I don’t know who all the other slow pitchers are, so I’m not sure how it will all shake out just yet, but Steve Trachsel, in 2003, did not see what one might expect compared to his co-starters.

Pitcher	        Team	W	L	IP	Errors	BIP	E/9IP	GO/AO	BIP/E
Trachsel, Steve	Mets	16	10	204.7	10	503	0.440	0.89	50.30
Glavine, Tom	Mets	9	14	183.3	12	468	0.589	1.33	39.00
Seo, Jae Weong	Mets	9	12	188.3	24	455	1.147	0.77	18.96
Leiter, Al	Mets	15	9	180.7	17	403	0.847	1.49	23.71

Trachsel had a lower error rate, but had a low GO/AO, and that may be expected.  However, Jae Seo had a lower GO/AO and had nearly treble the error rate.  Tom Glavine had a higher than average GO/AO and a lower than average E-rate.  Al Leiter also had a higher GO/AO and had a high E-rate.

The r-squared for GO/AO and E/9IP was 0.05.  That says to me that groundball pitchers don’t generate more errors.  I rechecked GO/AO against BIP/E and got a lower correlation.

Compared to unearned runs (UER), E/9IP had an r-squared of 0.32.  I don’t think that UER would serve as a good proxy for whether or not a pitcher is a slow worker, or whether or not his pace is affecting his defense. 

I had made a cursory investigation into Trachsel’s rate of UER compared to the rest of his team’s throughout his career, but the data was fluctuating around average, so I didn’t think I was looking at the right statistic.

I have more work to do – checking seasonal changes for pitchers on error rates and looking at other slow pitchers.  In any single season, a pitcher can get lucky. 

As Bill James often said at the conclusion of his studies, I think that the null set is the answer – there does not appear to be an effect.

And with that, I’ll open the floor for discussion.

Chris Dial Posted: August 30, 2004 at 05:01 AM | 19 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Athletic Supporter leads the nation in drifters Posted: August 30, 2004 at 07:08 AM (#827099)
The A's Li... fourth starters for the past few years, Ted Lilly and Cory Lidle, are both very slow workers.

It seems to me that the "lull" would be likely to show up in BABIP as well as E, which gives you perhaps a better statistical sample. Of course, there are many confounding factors there, and of course BABIP for a pitcher is still controversial (i.e. if they do have that ability, then that might trump the slow-working aspect.)
   2. Passed Ball Posted: August 30, 2004 at 11:52 AM (#827117)
Clearly, the Mets 2003 defenders were racist against Asians.
I bet Seo's BIP/E has improved this year with Matsui on his side.
   3. Chris Dial Posted: August 30, 2004 at 12:29 PM (#827130)
Athletic Supporter,
I looked at BABIP in an earlier article for the Mets staff.

Trax led the team.
   4. Sox Machine Posted: August 30, 2004 at 03:16 PM (#827311)
Trachsel started the only game I've seen at Shea.

Talk about bad first impressions.
   5. Walt Davis Posted: August 30, 2004 at 07:29 PM (#827665)
So someone muttered, and I read, that slow pitchers have more errors made behind them because the defense gets, well, something. I am not sure what happens, but I believe the defenders are supposed to lose their focus or concentration or some such.

You have wonderfully captured in words what supposedly happens to fielders when Trachsel is pitching. :-)

I suspect one reason statheads let the "slow pitcher" claims go by is what you're now discovering -- it would be a pain in the ass to test the hypothesis. Also, it might require watching Trachsel pitch and even truth isn't worth that price. :-) (I'm a Cub fan so I got to see a fair amount of Trachsel games)

On a quasi-serious note, instead of time of game you'll want to use minutes/PA to control for high-scoring games. I'd think that's the best proxy for "slow workder".

Now if you really want to bust a myth, show us that Trachsel isn't actually a slow pitcher!
   6. Damon Rutherford Posted: August 30, 2004 at 09:09 PM (#827836)
Armed with these ideas and an Excel spreadsheet, I have now become just dangerous enough to make some incorrect assumptions, convince myself of something that may be completely wrong and waste your time by writing about it.

This should be a required disclaimer for all research articles in all areas of study.
   7. Mike Emeigh Posted: August 30, 2004 at 10:22 PM (#827895)
instead of time of game you'll want to use minutes/PA to control for high-scoring games.

Or minutes/number of pitches. But minutes/PA is probably a good enough proxy in most cases, especially since we don't have accurate pitch count data for more than a handful of seasons.

-- MWE
   8. Greg Pope Posted: August 30, 2004 at 10:45 PM (#827909)
So have people actually observed this behavior? I mean, how would it manifest itself? If I'm at work and I'm bored because things are slow, I might surf the Internet or chat with a co-worker. That would certainly lower my productivity in a visual way. Has anyone seen Matsui gazing up at clouds when a grounder scoots a foot away from him? Has Mike Cameron been caught chatting with Cliff Floyd when Trachsel makes his pitch, and then Cameron has to go running after a ball?

I mean, come on, in Little League, sure, but I can't imagine the slowness of the pitcher in MLB keeping these guys from making plays.
   9. Chris Dial Posted: August 31, 2004 at 12:11 AM (#827978)
One of the tricks to Time of Game and minutes per PA, I have to know when the starter came out. That's tricky.

Are inning breaks denoted witht eh time?

Greg "The" Pope,
I agree, but we hear it from statheads and it goes unquestioned.

Tamer,
I consider it a " 'You' understood" situation.
   10. Greg Pope Posted: August 31, 2004 at 01:42 AM (#828068)
I know we're in agreement, Chris, but personally this has always struck me as similar to chemistry. I mean, is Jeff Kent really up there with Bonds on second saying to himself, "I wouldn't drive that jerk in if my life depended on it."? It's not so much that there is no statistical evidence as it is that I don't even see how it would affect things.
   11. Walt Davis Posted: August 31, 2004 at 03:39 PM (#828623)
So have people actually observed this behavior?

Well, I've noticed this behavior in myself when playing softball (at least on those rare occasions I was at 2B or the OF ... mostly I'm at 1B and get plenty of action). It's not so much slow pitching in that case per se, but if our guy can't throw strikes or the ump lets batters step out all the time or even I suppose if the first 25 balls have all been hit to the left side, there have been times I've been back on my heels and not well-prepared for a ball hit to me.

"Fortunately" in the over-35 league, we didn't get a lot of good-looking women coming out to watch us play, or I'd have probably never paid any attention to the game at all.

Or to put it another way, I don't know if Trachsel's pitching puts Matsui to sleep, but it does have that effect on me while I'm watching it. The guy used to drive me bonkers with the Cubs.

If it doesn't affect major-leaguers, it's probably because the game has slowed down so much generally that the difference between Trachsel and a typical "batter steps out, looks at the baffled 3B coach who flashes him a few meaningless signs to make it look good, adjusts a couple things, asks if that last pitch was really a strike, OK he gets back in now, WTF the pitcher isn't even on the rubber yet, and for god's sake he's only got three pitches to choose from how hard can it be to decide which one to throw, OK here we go, god **** it, the batter just asked for time" is pretty trivial.

One of the tricks to Time of Game and minutes per PA, I have to know when the starter came out. That's tricky.

Well, you'll never get it perfect. But I'll bet game minutes/PA will correlate quite nicely with starter-specific minutes/PA and that's all you need. If you want, toss in an adjustment for the number of pitching changes (especially mid-inning pitching changes if you have that info).

But maybe just start with something "simple" like regress time of game on hits, runs, walks, Ks, errors, number of pitches, etc. then see if Trachel starts have a substantiallly longer than expected duration.

Or just decide it's not really worth the trouble to try to answer this one. :-)
   12. Chris Dial Posted: August 31, 2004 at 04:49 PM (#828751)
Walt,
I don't think any of that is really necessary. While we all know that hits may increase due to lack of range, the statements and direct implications are that fielders make more errors.

I think selecting the slower pitchers, even by Time of Game, should do something to illustrate that that isn't true.

It's one of those CW things I'd prefer to never hear from someone who studies the game.

And, Trachsel isn't nearly that slow. His ToG are as fast as many guys - it's really just the quality of the pitching.
   13. Mike Emeigh Posted: September 01, 2004 at 04:00 PM (#831037)
You could run into a cause/effect kind of problem here, too.

Pitchers as a general rule take more time to deliver a pitch to the plate with runners on base than they do with the bases empty. Thus, it's possible that more errors ==> more baserunners ==> more time/PA - the errors cause the slowdown, rather than the opposite.

-- MWE
   14. Will B. Posted: September 02, 2004 at 05:16 AM (#832838)
Instead of looking at errors, would it be fair to look at Defensive Efficiency when a guy is on the mound? If I'm dozing, I'm just as likely to let a ball go untouched than to let it bounce of my face.
   15. Chris Dial Posted: September 03, 2004 at 01:35 AM (#834474)
Will,
no, because Def Eff is a junk stat.
   16. Will B. Posted: September 04, 2004 at 04:42 AM (#836624)
Okay, something other than errors though. Errors essentially capture a guy reaching a ball then dropping it or throwing it away. I figure if you are not paying attention in the field, you might be a step or two slower and not reach a ball.

Am I missing something big or is DefEff pretty much just the inverse of BABIP?
   17. Chris Dial Posted: September 05, 2004 at 01:17 AM (#837687)
No, Wil, I think that's right. The difference is the usage. Def Eff does not describe the defensive skill of a team, but BABIP descries (effectively) the "luck" of a pitcher.

BIP distribution is critical, so we can't really tell - (and I noted that BABIP for Trachsel was actually lower than other Met pitchers).

Yes, on a granular level you may note that there were BIP near the fielders that may indicate slow reaction, but it isn't likely.

And what is said is that players make more errors behind slow working pitchers. That's the CW.
   18. Joe Dimino Posted: September 08, 2004 at 11:51 AM (#842505)
"I’m looking at errors committed while pitcher X was on the mound divided by the number of innings pitched. Is that the correct statistic? Chip in here. "

I would use E/BIP, not E/IP. Not sure if this was mentioned already, as I just skimmed the comments, and didn't see it.
   19. Joe Dimino Posted: September 08, 2004 at 11:53 AM (#842506)
"I looked at errors per 9 IP, balls in play (BIP) per error, GO/AO and unearned runs (I think that’s the discussion that triggered this). "

Ah, I should have read further before commenting . . .

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