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Thursday, June 10, 2004

June 10, 2004

Original Thought

I’m starting to think I’ll never have another original thought. I wrote my pre-season review on the Mets, and subsequently read the review at Battersbox, and my review was almost identical. And Battersbox was published before mine.

At lunch a few months ago, I strolled into the used bookstore next door to the Firehouse Subs. I picked up a year-by-year Mets almanac and Bill Lee’s biography The Wrong Stuff. I recently got my review of the Leigh Montville Ted Williams’ biography written and had started on the latest issue of Pharmagenomics. Okay, it isn’t the latest issue, but it’s the one with "A Functional Genomics Strategy for Plant Drug Discovery." Anyway, I needed something else to read. Once tech journals make their way onto your coffee table, two things have happened – one, you are too busy at work, and two, you haven’t bought anything interesting to read recently enough.

So, I started reading. I like Bill Lee. He pitches some in MSBL (or some other derivation). So did I. We have that in common.

There in Chapter One, I suddenly began reading words that were all too familiar:

"There wasn’t any sense in burning myself out trying to impress people with speed I didn’t have. I always saved myself for the late innings. Strikeouts, from my perspective, are boring things. Nothing happens. They are fascist weapons. I prefer the groundball out and view it as the perfect symbol for democracy."

I was stunned. Holy cow! I couldn’t believe what I was reading. I was very excited about telling you all about this tremendous discovery.

I’m a cautious writer. Also, because I read things like Pharmagenomics, I know to perform a literature search before I make a claim. Let’s make sure that was clear: I know to do it; that doesn’t mean I always do it.

So I calmly googled "Bill Lee Bull Durham." Guess what? This is (relatively) common knowledge. Who was number one to "scoop" me? That’s right, Battersbox. Matthew Elmslie, to be precise. Then there is Ron Shelton telling the story when he introduced Bill for the Baseball Reliquary Induction 2000. He even said he stole the lines. And Sports Illustrated.

I don’t know if I had heard this all before. Old age is hell. And what’s worse, the memory isn’t the first thing to go.

Graves Saves

I’m not a big on-pace guy. Mostly because I grew up on Reggie Jackson having about 37 home runs at the All-Star break and finishing with 47. Baseball is a season of streaks. A player gets hot and/or lucky and then goes 0 for 20. Pace just doesn’t work out – and so I don’t get excited about things based on it very much.

However, I think sometimes it is interesting. With the home run record pushed to the asymptote, there just aren’t many big, sexy records to go for. Sure, maybe Hack Wilson’s 191 RBIs, but that’s not going to be chased down anytime soon. Even at one RBI per game, which is a ton, a player will come up nearly 30 RBIs short.

I think this season we can see a record fall. Rob Neyer hinted at it in his column on Cy Young Predictor in his and Bill James’ book about pitchers.

That’s right, I’m talking about the second-most glamorous record in baseball – the single-season saves record.

Danny Graves, through 56 games, has 26 saves. That’s a ton. Okay, the statistic itself isn’t that great, but I must admit I was interested when John Smoltz got close. Rob said Graves won’t keep it up, nor would the Reds, but I’m not so certain. I think the Reds will play mostly close games, and I’m very sure they win 80 games. At his present rate, one save for every 0.76 wins, he’s going to save well over 60 games. As he closes in on the record, he’ll close in on the Cy Young Award. His candidacy will be roundly criticized in these parts, and probably rightly so, but the mainstream media will tout Graves and his value to a pennant-chasing team, and he’ll get really close to the award, whether he wins or not.

I’m excited about it anyway.

Still Not Original

The above "On Pace" section was written with delight last weekend. I altered the stats to fit today. What’s so unoriginal about that?

I’m a proud member of SABR (for ten years now). I subscribe to the SABR-L mailing list, with some of you and a bunch of sabermetric bigwigs – Bill James, David Vincent, Mike Emeigh, Clay Davenport – well, you know when people say they don’t want to name people for fear of leaving someone out? That’ll definitely happen here. There is just some great stuff discussed on the list. I get it in "digest" format, and with all the BTF stuff and rsbb, sometimes I don’t get around to reading the digest on the day it arrives. I try to catch up on Sunday evenings.

So, I prepared this column Friday and Saturday evening. As I read the SABR-L list from June 3 and 4 on Sunday night, I came across this:

Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:06:41 -0400
From: Sean Lahman <slahman@BASEBALL1.COM>
Subject: Graves sets save record?

One of my pet peeves is when somebody takes a player's early season stats and projects with amazement how great those numbers would be over 162 games. "So and so is on a pace to hit 90 homers and drive in 220 runs." It's just so much foolishness.

However, I can't help but be impressed by Reds closer Danny Graves racking up 26 saves in their first 53 games. I'm wondering if anybody knows (or could find out) the highest save totals for players as of June 1, July 1, or August 1? Intuitively, I would suspect that the players with high single-season totals got more saves at the end of the year. (My suspicion is that closers generally get more save opportunities later in the year, for a variety of reasons.) Bobby Thigpen, for example, got nearly half (25) of his record 57 saves in August and September. The same thing happened when Randy Myers got 53 for the Cubs.


I've done some random checking of the most prolific closers, and I'm not sure that anybody has gotten to June 1st with 20 saves before. Eckersley's high was 18, Sutter 14, Myers 17, Righetti 12, Rivera 15. The issue of projecting Graves year-end total aside, is 24 saves in two months the highest total ever for a reliever?

Regards,
Sean

Sean Lahman, for those of you who don’t know, is the developer and, I suppose, owner, of one of the finest research instruments around – the Lahman database. That’s just what it is called; Sean didn’t name it after himself. It has every year’s stats from 1871 to present. It is essentially the Baseball Encyclopedia in database form. It’s a miracle to have around. And it is free to download.

I suppose I’m supposed to say "Great minds think alike," or some such. My question is, why am I not having these singular, outside the box, thoughts? Essentially, for a couple of months now, everything I think of, someone else is writing just a few minutes ahead of me.

I’m not sure, but I am kind of leaning toward the 10,000 monkeys theory. You know what they say, "it was the best of times; it was the blurst of times."

More unoriginal thoughts

Barry Bonds is destroying the OBP record too (.631 today – it would be the fifth-highest slugging average). That’s old news. To me, and I hope to all of you, the excitement of him approaching 700 home runs is breathtaking. 700 home runs. It’s still incredible (no, it really is) when a player reaches 500 home runs. 600 is still touched only by 4 men, and I remember when we all thought Mark McGwire would catch Hank Aaron. He couldn’t quite make it to 600. Those last few seasons are a real bear.

Now we are looking at 700. I remember watching Hank Aaron reach 700. Of course, back in those days you only got to see two games a week – Monday Night Baseball and the Saturday Game of the Week. Other than that, it was boxscores and highlights on the news. The visions of Aaron’s home runs were what you played out in your head from seeing his swing for years.

Now I get to see Barry do it nightly. I can watch all his games. And the ones I miss, I can catch on the Internet. 700 home runs. Wow.

Down on the Farm

I went to a Durham Bulls-Norfolk Tides game last week. Both teams actually have reasonably good players/semi-prospects. As a Met fan, I wear my Mets hat, and the Tides players and coaches appreciate it.

B.J. Upton is the Tampa prospect at shortstop. He still can’t hit a curveball. I did get to see him throw more and he looks like he has a pretty good arm and pretty good range in the hole.

The last reliever the Bulls brought in was Franklin Nunez. Nunez throws really hard. I’ve been to a ton of minor league games, and guys simply don’t hit 95 on the radar gun very often. Almost never. Nunez was consistently popping it up there at 98. The home plate umpire had a strike zone the size of a license plate, so it was hard to tell just how much control Nunez had, but he did appear a little wild. It was pretty awesome to see him hammer the Tides lineup.

The Tides have a few prospects, middling, but some nonetheless. Victor Diaz, Craig Brazell, Tyler Yates, Aaron Heilman, Royce Ring and Jeremy Griffiths. Ring pitched and was impressive. He has a nice curveball. He threw it by Upton in the 7th inning.

One of the highlights for me was seeing John Stearns. I was always a fan of Stearns when he caught for the Mets, and it was fun to jaw at him and get responses – that’s the fun part of minor league games.

Jeff Duncan, who has gotten some decaf in the majors, missed (at least) a couple of signs (a hit and run when he was batting and a steal when he was on first), and got into a discussion with Stearns, who actually went out to second base to explain it to Jeff. Duncan clearly thinks a good deal of himself. When he came in from left field (Esix Snead was playing center), I yelled from my second row seats, "Hey Jeff, do me a favor, learn the signs!" He looked over and grinned/smirked. Snead, who was jogging in a little ways behind him, gave me a look like "Who are you, again?"

I took Lindsay out to get some beer and when I got back, a man with Yankees shower sandals gave Lindsay a foul ball he caught while we were gone. It was a very nice gesture. Pretty good time – interacted with Stearns and Duncan, took in a ballgame and my daughter got a foul ball.

I suppose these things make up for not being very original any more.

Chris Dial Posted: June 10, 2004 at 05:21 AM | 16 comment(s)
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   1. Mike Emeigh Posted: June 10, 2004 at 09:37 AM (#668624)
I don't see Graves as being very likely to break the save record, because I don't see Cincinnati as likely to sustain their winning ways. The Reds are playing wayyyy over their heads right now - they are 34-25 but have allowed 20 more runs than they've scored, and are 6.5 games better than their Pythagorean performance. With Kearns on the DL, they have a three-man offense, and Wilson is the only starter with an ERA under 4 (and VanPoppel the only other one under 5). Cincy also hasn't played a very difficult schedule so far, with much of their success coming against the NL's lesser teams (although to be fair, it's really hard to identify the good teams in the NL so far). They have 13 games against the Cardinals in the next month and a half, and also have to play the Rangers and Mets over the next couple of weeks. If they're still over .500 at the end of July, I'll be shocked.

-- MWE
   2. Astro Annie Posted: June 10, 2004 at 10:38 AM (#668699)
In order for Graves to get all those projected saves, the Reds wins would all have to be close because the Reds aren't a good enough team to get enough wins otherwise. While that's pretty much what's been happening up to this point, the chances that it will continue for the entirety of the season are pretty small.
   3. Sam M. Posted: June 10, 2004 at 10:57 AM (#668720)
"Hey Jeff, do me a favor, learn the signs!"

He probably thinks he's not going to have much need to know the AAA signs for long. How wrong he is . . . .

If B.J. Upton can't hit a curve ball now, he never will, not really. That means his upside is as a moderately above-average major leaguer, unless he can hit a fastball like Howard Johnson. Man, that guy could turn around heat like no one I've ever seen.

My brother brought his step-son with him to our annual baseball outing this weekend. At one of the games, I mentioned that if I got a foul ball, he shouldn't expect me to give it to him. He said, in so many words, not to worry, because I wasn't going to get it in the first place -- he'd step over my head if necessary to catch it.

Your story is a heck of a lot nicer, Chris. :-)
   4. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: June 10, 2004 at 04:47 PM (#669975)
It's a great idea to bring a two-year-old to the park, but be sure to buy extra seats for all the ancillary stuff you have to bring for her.
   5. John Posted: June 10, 2004 at 09:00 PM (#670336)
I've done some random checking of the most prolific closers, and I'm not sure that anybody has gotten to June 1st with 20 saves before. Eckersley's high was 18, Sutter 14, Myers 17, Righetti 12, Rivera 15.

Sean Lahman I ain't, but if all that's true, then this must be either The Year Of The Save or the first sign of the apocalypse. Graves had 24, Armando Benitez had 20, Rivera had 18, and Coco Cordero had 16. The first three are on pace to easily break Thigpen's record, and Coco (who got his 19th today) is OPF 55. Damn.
   6. John Posted: June 10, 2004 at 09:06 PM (#670345)
Oh, and if Joe Morgan says the saves rule is broken, it probably is.
   7. Chris Dial Posted: June 10, 2004 at 11:06 PM (#670665)
BTW, this is what Franco does to batters that haven't seen him before.
   8. MM1f Posted: June 11, 2004 at 07:25 AM (#671107)
That last part wasn't original either.
I was at one of the Durham/Norfolk games.
Why don't you come up with something orignal sometime....
   9. Chuck Oliveros Posted: June 12, 2004 at 03:50 AM (#672824)
If Upton can't hit a curve ball now, he'll likely never learn to hit a curve ball. That's one of my pet peeves. People think that by dint of effort players can learn skills, like hitting a curve ball, when the fact is that they don't possess the physical skills needed to learn those skills. My hypothesis in this regard is that these players can't see the spin on the ball. (Unfortunately I'm not in a position to test that hypothesis.) I remember listening to an interview with Keith Hernandez. He was talking about how you could see a red dot on a slider, because of the spin and a red circle on a curve. My guess is that guys who can't hit breaking pitches don't see that dot or that circle, and it's not just a matter of visual acuity. Saccadic eye movements and an extraordinary ability to see contrasts is involved as well.
   10. f/k/a Scoriano is really pissed Posted: June 13, 2004 at 08:48 PM (#675379)
I'm not a big fan of on pace arguments either, but Bonds is on pace for an amazing 230 walks.
   11. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: June 14, 2004 at 10:59 AM (#675994)
My guess is that guys who can't hit breaking pitches don't see that dot or that circle, and it's not just a matter of visual acuity. Saccadic eye movements and an extraordinary ability to see contrasts is involved as well.

Don't be too peeved. Perhaps it's often just a matter of getting a guy to understand how to use his abilities. E.g., maybe he can see the red dot, but doesn't realize what it means. After all, if the guy never saw a good slider before, he might not put two and two together. And that's what coaches do, help them put two and two together.
   12. TidesFan (dave in va) Posted: June 14, 2004 at 01:05 PM (#676167)
I was looking for a place to post this and it's as good as any. it's also probably not original...

last week a friend and I saw BJ Upton's little brother Justin play in a HS division championship game. we wanted to see what the hype was all about -- some scouting services say he's the best HS player in the country, better than his brother already. He was Va. player of the year as a junior this year. OBP of over .700, with 29 BB -- 22 intentional -- in 74 plate appearances. Not that HS rates mean much.

also wanted to see if the local paper (where I work) was guilty of hype -- a story about an earlier game said he hit a 420-foot homer to center.

well, if nothing else, he may already be ahead of his brother on fielding. he charged a spinning slow grounder and threw out the runner from the 3B zone. also reacted nicely to a bad-hop grounder off the pitcher's mound, changing directions on the charge and gunning the runner. and in another game's highlight on local TV where he covered second on a steal attempt, leaped to get a high throw and brought the tag down on the runner's head for the out.

if there's any knock on him, he has a weird throwing motion -- kind of three-quarters, across the body with a late release. looks like he's throwing darts.

then in the last inning, danged if he didn't absolutely crush a low outside fastball. he hit a liner, no higher than 30 ft peak, well over the 370 sign in left-center.

ever been a pair of brothers that were a DP combo in the bigs?
   13. _Jed Posted: June 15, 2004 at 01:36 AM (#677005)
Dave — the Ripkens, 1987-92.

Thanks for the mini-report on Justin Upton. Sounds as if the young man may have a career ahead of him.
   14. TidesFan (dave in va) Posted: June 15, 2004 at 11:12 AM (#677218)
thanks, jed. that was dumb -- I even saw them play. should have thought before posting.

fyi, all, last night I saw Mets 3B prospect David Wright play his first game at AAA Norfolk. (kid's 21, and absolutely dominated AA ball). 3 for 4, double, two singles. Didn't really crush the ball, mostly hit 'em where they weren't.
A ninth-inning walk was the most impressive part -- with men on 2nd and 3rd and his team trailing, he took a couple of close ones rather than go for the glory. All the more impressive because the Tides ain't known for plate judgment
.
On fielding, a hard grounder down the line ate him up; home scorer kindly called it a hit. but he handled 5 other chances nicely. Looks like Wiggy might have to move aside (or to 2B) sooner that we thought.

BTW, I enjoyed Chris's piece,too. Sorry to derail the discussion.
   15. cardsfanboy Posted: June 15, 2004 at 02:31 PM (#677596)
not too sure about paces, but I believe Sasaki was at thirty saves before the all star break in 2001. according to retrosheet he got his 29th save july 2nd. depending on how the reds do the rest of this month, Graves should be ahead of him by that time.
   16. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: June 19, 2004 at 04:02 PM (#687771)
I took Lindsay out to get some beer...

Jeez, Chris, she's a bit young for beer. Next you'll have her posting in The Lounge.
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