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AL Central Champinon Chicago White Sox at AL Wild Card Boston Red Sox - 4:19 PM EDT ESPN2

Chicago leads 2-0

CHW: Garcia (0-0, 0.00)
BOS: Wakefield (0-0, 0.00)

Garcia is a stud on the road - 10-3 3.40 ERA this season - but he’s gotten just one win in his last nine starts.

Wakefield’s knuckler has been problematic come October - 5-4 with a 6.07 ERA in 15 appearances (eight starts).

To make matters worse for Boston - their top two hitters are not quite so top against Garcia. Big Papi is an anemic .176/.263/.294 in his career and Manny is .263/.391/.632, impressive but off of his career norms.

It gets better for fans of the Southsiders: the White Sox best bashers tend to batter the knuckleballer: Jurassic Carl, Aaron Rowand and A.J. Pierzynski all are better than .300 for their career versus Wake.

Rain is in the forecast, so this all could be moot.

Sean McNally Posted: October 07, 2005 at 08:24 AM | 659 comment(s)
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1. KDub's CellPiece (BLtDH) Posted: October 07, 2005 at 10:26 AM (#1668476)

go chisox!!

2. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: October 07, 2005 at 11:08 AM (#1668536)

Manny's OPS is only 1.023 against Garcia? Whatever will we do?!?!?!?

3. VG Posted: October 07, 2005 at 11:09 AM (#1668542)

I wish I could hop on the 95th Street/Dan Ryan L at Jackson and go to this game.

4. The Jerry Royster Experience Posted: October 07, 2005 at 11:10 AM (#1668545)

Okay, today I see the snark.

If they get this game in, I think the Red Sox win today.

5. The Jerry Royster Experience Posted: October 07, 2005 at 11:13 AM (#1668552)

By the way, the Weather Channel seems to think today will be relatively clear in Boston.

They will have trouble getting in game 4, however - it's supposed to storm from Saturday until Wednesday.

6. Joe C isn't Posted: October 07, 2005 at 11:46 AM (#1668642)

If they ever play these two games, I feel confident the Red Sox will win them both.

There will be a game 5, and that's anyone's guess.

7. Joe C isn't Posted: October 07, 2005 at 11:49 AM (#1668648)

Ugh, you weren't kidding, JRE...

Weather.com's forecast for tomorrow for Fenway's zip:

Rain...perhaps a rumble of thunder in the afternoon. High 72F. Winds SW at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 90%. Rainfall possibly over one inch.

They'll play today...but game 4 could be monday?!

8. Joe C isn't Posted: October 07, 2005 at 11:50 AM (#1668656)

AT least SG is creatively snarky.

You're just a jerk, McNally. :-)

9. Kris Posted: October 07, 2005 at 12:31 PM (#1668748)

This is a random question, but I thought someone here might be able to help. There is apparently a picture out there of Babe Ruth in his Boston uniform holding a trombone. Does anyone know if that picture is in any books, or available for puchase somewhere? I'll look through my baseball books tonight, but I don't recall seeing this pic before. The only reason I'm interested is I have a trombone playing Red Sox fan friend, and figured this would be a nice snarky gift to give her after her talking trash about the White Sox before the playoffs began.

10. VG Posted: October 07, 2005 at 01:09 PM (#1668842)

It'll be interesting to see whether First-inning Freddy shows up, given the eight-day layoff between starts for García.

11. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 07, 2005 at 01:18 PM (#1668865)

I've got tickets!

Look for a big game from Kevin Millar.

12. Pastor Toastman (PH) Posted: October 07, 2005 at 01:27 PM (#1668885)

If the White Sox win -- and that is an improbable scenario -- would that mean this is the last game Rooney and Farmer would call, and it switches over to a national broadcast thereafter? Or would Roomer™ tackle the ALCS if we get there?

Just don't want to miss the last one.

13. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 07, 2005 at 01:29 PM (#1668891)

The local radio guys will be broadcasting all the way through the postseason.

14. Joe C isn't Posted: October 07, 2005 at 01:30 PM (#1668893)

Kris,

I'm all for snarky gifts, but that whole Babe Ruth thing? Let's just say it no longer carries the same weight.

15. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 07, 2005 at 01:34 PM (#1668905)

Also, I wanted to address an issue near and dear to my heart. It is the use of the "TM" symbol.

White Sox fans, throw off your oppressors! Develop your own modes of address and formats of joke! You are copying over, in full, a Yankee chatter joke and imbueing it with almost nothing new and White Soxian. It pains me to see you blinded to the thrall in which you've put yourselves to SG and SJ and, worst of all!, McNally.

I like y'all. You're cool dudes. I say this with love and respect, that perhaps as an outsider I might offer some insight.

16. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 07, 2005 at 01:36 PM (#1668911)

Kris -

1) I might wait until the White Sox actually, you know, win, to start assuming they've won.

2) Babe Ruth jokes are dead. Gone. He's just a reminder of the awesome and world-historical choke the Yankees pulled last year. I smile at the notion.

17. Pastor Toastman (PH) Posted: October 07, 2005 at 01:36 PM (#1668912)

Thanks for the info. We White Sox fans aren't used to the postseason, if you haven't been able to tell.

Roomer© all the way.

18. Joe C isn't Posted: October 07, 2005 at 01:39 PM (#1668918)

That's the spirit, PH! Good show.

19. The Jerry Royster Experience Posted: October 07, 2005 at 01:41 PM (#1668928)

Yankee chatterers' nicknames tend to be indecipherable to outsiders - they basically speak in code. We're much more open.

20. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 07, 2005 at 01:44 PM (#1668941)

It is not nicknames per se of which I speak and in which regard I exhort you. Rather, it is the use of the "TM" symbol to, well, I don't know what it is to do. In any event, it is a Yankee chatter invention and symbolic mode of address. And to my best ability I have drawn a genealogy of its use, and I concluded that it was adopted uncritically White Sox chatterers as mere copyists.

21. VG Posted: October 07, 2005 at 01:45 PM (#1668942)

You probably can blame me for the use of ™ in White Sox Chatters. I am not oppressed by anyone, least of all Yankee Chatterers whom I like and respect.

Your exhortations to "throw off (our) oppressors" is just a veiled attempt to take the place of the supposed oppressors.

I'm sticking with the ™. It hasn't hurt us all season. ;)

22. RB in NYC (Now with Christmas Spirit!) Posted: October 07, 2005 at 01:49 PM (#1668960)

Yankee chatterers' nicknames tend to be indecipherable to outsiders - they basically speak in code.

It's not a code, it's a digital Shibboleth to tell the true believers from the infidels.

23. VG Posted: October 07, 2005 at 01:50 PM (#1668961)

And to my best ability I have drawn a genealogy of its use, and I concluded that it was adopted uncritically White Sox chatterers as mere copyists.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think it's the mere copying that bothers you, but that it was copied from Yankee Chatters. If the practice had been initiated by another team's fans, we're not having this conversation.

24. villainx Posted: October 07, 2005 at 01:56 PM (#1668983)

with almost nothing new and White Soxian.

I think it's quite interesting.

I'm sticking with the ™. It hasn't hurt us all season.

In the end, this is the more important thing.

25. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 07, 2005 at 01:57 PM (#1668986)

Oh, of course. I hope its clear by my diction that I'm having fun, here.

I'm concerned about a growing Yankee chatter sphere of influence.

They've faced setbacks recently, having placed many of their best men on the front lines of the steroid conflict, but they seem to have begun a new colonialist endeavor which, yes, I am explicitly countering.

26. VG Posted: October 07, 2005 at 02:01 PM (#1669004)

Oh, of course. I hope its clear by my diction that I'm having fun, here.

Of course. I just don't think it's that funny. Not because it's offensive, but I'm tired of the never-ending Yankees-Red Sox dick-measuring contest.

(How do you feel about hyphens?)

27. Eraser-X is dominating this site! Posted: October 07, 2005 at 02:09 PM (#1669041)

I made the mistake of going to Red Sox Nation and let me say, the Red Sox posters around here are civil and cool to be around. kevin seems like grandma with the milk and cookies out to welcome next to those guys.

In terms of White Sox fans' creativity, I actually take some pride in the fact that Keefe is probably the most consistently thoughtful, humorous caricature under any fan tent. Maybe that's just a coincidence, but it still makes me happy and thankful that he's around.

I'm still hopeful that we won't have to worry about the potential rainout tomorrow. I'm not predicting a Pale Ho victory today, but I think we have a very solid shot--basically a toss-up game.

28. The Jerry Royster Experience Posted: October 07, 2005 at 02:14 PM (#1669054)

In terms of White Sox fans' creativity, I actually take some pride in the fact that Keefe is probably the most consistently thoughtful, humorous caricature under any fan tent.

I contrast that with Scoop Jackson, who jumped on the White Sox bandwagon this season...

29. The Jerry Royster Experience Posted: October 07, 2005 at 02:15 PM (#1669058)

30. Lujack Posted: October 07, 2005 at 02:23 PM (#1669088)

Boston needs a win in today's game a lot more than Chicago does.

31. Joe C isn't Posted: October 07, 2005 at 02:27 PM (#1669103)

Truer words not spoken, Lujack.

For fans of all teams - there may be alot of BS at BTF too, but it's light years more civil than any other sports related board I've ever seen.

32. chris p Posted: October 07, 2005 at 02:28 PM (#1669108)

It pains me to see you blinded to the thrall in which you've put yourselves

they also copied those stupid pinstripes.

33. chris p Posted: October 07, 2005 at 02:30 PM (#1669116)

the most consistently thoughtful, humorous caricature under any fan tent.

we have biff.

34. The Jerry Royster Experience Posted: October 07, 2005 at 02:31 PM (#1669117)

they also copied those stupid pinstripes.

And, basically, their ballpark.

The renovations have changed the look dramatically, but New Comiskey looked a lot like Yankee stadium when it opened.

Guess which team Jerry Reinsdorf grew up rooting for?

35. RB in NYC (Now with Christmas Spirit!) Posted: October 07, 2005 at 02:34 PM (#1669125)

we have biff.

I've been to funerals that were more fun than a typical post from Biff

36. Answer Guy Posted: October 07, 2005 at 02:37 PM (#1669132)

We do have some obscure nicknames for Red Sox we've used from time to time.

Unless most people who know instinctively who the Cookie Monster, Abe Lincoln, KFF, Bartleby, and Pantload are.

(In order, Ortiz, Clement, Millar, Bellhorn, and Wells.)

37. DTS Posted: October 07, 2005 at 02:38 PM (#1669133)

I find this series much more interesting than the Angels/Yankees -- I with this game was on in prime time.

38. DTS Posted: October 07, 2005 at 02:40 PM (#1669136)

I with this game was on in prime time.

I'm kind of lisping today. Or lithping.

I wish this game was on in prime time.

39. The Jerry Royster Experience Posted: October 07, 2005 at 02:57 PM (#1669177)

Well, the later in the evening this game goes, the greater chance it gets rained out.

Since I still hold out a slim hope of the White Sox winning today and making the rest of the weekend moot, I want them to get today's game in.

40. Answer Guy Posted: October 07, 2005 at 02:58 PM (#1669179)

Well....it's either a win here or its the offseason. Hopefully, that knuckler dances and prances its way past the Chicago bats.

Have to keep telling myself...8-1 in elimination games....8-1 in elimination games.

41. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: October 07, 2005 at 03:01 PM (#1669183)

Wakefield will deliver.

You gotta hope.

42. Bull Pain Posted: October 07, 2005 at 03:04 PM (#1669190)

I'm nervous as hell and my team has the two game lead. This playoff #### is fun, the White Sox should try and get here more often.

43. Fat Al Posted: October 07, 2005 at 03:06 PM (#1669192)

Lineups are up. Millar sits again.

44. Joe C isn't Posted: October 07, 2005 at 03:07 PM (#1669197)

Just wait until game 5, if there's a game 5.

I wasn't even happy in '03 when the Sox camer back against Oakland. After game 5, I was literally just relieved to see the series end.

45. The Jerry Royster Experience Posted: October 07, 2005 at 03:09 PM (#1669202)

Wakefield made two starts against the White Sox this season.

First game (7/22 @ Chicago) (L) -

5 2/3 IP, 7 ER, 9 H, 1 BB, 2 K.

Homers by Rowand, Pierzynski, and Uribe.

Second game (8/13 @ Boston)(W) -

6 2/3 IP, 2 ER, 7 H, 0 BB, 2 K.

Homers by Konerko and Rowand. I remember Iguchi looked bad against Wakefield.

The Red Sox didn't see Freddy Garcia during the Regular Season.

46. nickm Posted: October 07, 2005 at 03:09 PM (#1669203)

I am concerned about game 5, and I was since game 1 loss. Of cause, you need to get there first, and I do not think that games 3 and 4 are slam dunk for the Red Sox, but I can easily see them winning both with a little bit of luck.

Game 5, on the other hand, ... I just do not see it happening.

47. The Jerry Royster Experience Posted: October 07, 2005 at 03:19 PM (#1669218)

Garcia is a stud on the road - 10-3 3.40 ERA this season - but he’s gotten just one win in his last nine starts.

By the way, this is wrong. Garcia won his last two starts, and was 3-3 in his last nine starts.

48. Bull Pain Posted: October 07, 2005 at 03:24 PM (#1669226)

Before Freddy's final 2 starts, he had one win in the previous nine starts.

Until Garland's win on Saturday in Cleveland, he only had one win in his last nine starts.

That was a bad stretch for the non-Contreras and McCarthy portion of the rotation.

49. Bull Pain Posted: October 07, 2005 at 03:26 PM (#1669229)

Prospectus has the White Sox at 89% to win the series. That's even higher than the coin toss percentage of 87.5%. I really think it's closer to 75-80%

50. In what respect, Craig K? Posted: October 07, 2005 at 03:40 PM (#1669257)

Why are the games today starting at :19 after the hour?

51. The Jerry Royster Experience Posted: October 07, 2005 at 03:40 PM (#1669260)

To give ESPN time to dick around.

52. Eraser-X is dominating this site! Posted: October 07, 2005 at 03:45 PM (#1669269)

I've been to funerals that were more fun than a typical post from Biff

You got some Irish relatives in there too?

53. Answer Guy Posted: October 07, 2005 at 03:56 PM (#1669282)

Biff is the optimist among us Sox fans. I'm the gloom-and-doom guy, odd since most of my Lounge posts are jovial.

54. tfbg9 Posted: October 07, 2005 at 03:56 PM (#1669283)

Hey, lay off our Biff! If you prick a prog-rocker, does he not bleed?

55. tfbg9 Posted: October 07, 2005 at 03:59 PM (#1669289)

Speaking of nicknames, i've taken to calling 'Tek "Jarhead." Especially after he calls for a hittable pitch 0-2 with runners on in a close game.

I'm gonna have to hold my nose and agree with the CLT, that 'Tek's gamecalling prowess IS seriously overrated.

56. incarnadine Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:01 PM (#1669292)

Oh, good Lord. More Berman?

Please, ESPN, put this no-talent ######## out to pasture.

57. tfbg9 Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:02 PM (#1669295)

I wanted to kill Berman for his call on Nixon's foul HR last game.

58. Answer Guy Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:02 PM (#1669296)

Citizens for Limited Taxation (MA anti-tax group from back in the '80s; do they still exist?) has a position on Jason Varitek?

59. incarnadine Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:03 PM (#1669299)

Sutcliffe, too. This is an all mouthbreather broadcast team.

60. incarnadine Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:04 PM (#1669302)

Piazza has an "apropos of nothing" uncomfortable smile that's as if someone has stuck a live wire into his brain stem and is zapping it at random.

61. Sean McNally Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:04 PM (#1669303)

How was this intro snarky?

62. The Jerry Royster Experience Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:06 PM (#1669304)

I wanted to kill Berman for his call on Nixon's foul HR last game.

And his screaming call of a routine fly ball to center off Konerko's bat in the 8th.

Quick tip, Berman - calling everything as if it were exciting really takes away from the enjoyment of the game.

The "OH, NO!" after Graffanino's error bugged me, too.

63. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:07 PM (#1669305)

C'mon guys, at least wait until I'm around to talk trash about me.

64. Kate Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:07 PM (#1669306)

What hell is this? Berman AND Sutcliffe? At the same time?

Brutal.

65. tfbg9 Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:07 PM (#1669307)

Everything you do is snarked-out, you cannot help yourself.

66. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:08 PM (#1669311)

That's interesting. Berman said (yeah, I know, Berman said something interesting, contain yourselves) Graffanino got the loudest ovation of any Red Sox player. I don't think that would be case if they hadn't won it all last year.

67. The Jerry Royster Experience Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:08 PM (#1669312)

Why are people acting surprised about the Berman/Sutcliffe team? This was the team for games one and two, as well.

68. Rafael Bellylard (p8p) Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:09 PM (#1669315)

Surprisingly, Piazza has been pretty good in the booth. Assuming he wants to do this when he retires, he seems to have the potential to be excellent.

69. tfbg9 Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:09 PM (#1669316)

Nah, they still would've greeted him warmly. Besides, Pantload gave up the HR.

70. incarnadine Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:09 PM (#1669318)

Oh, please, STFU about Bill Buckner.

71. Sean McNally Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:10 PM (#1669319)

If I was snarking I would have said Chicago has thrown a postseason series more recently than they've won one...

I would have added that Fox execs must be crying that Boston will be eliminated before they ever make it to prime time.

72. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:10 PM (#1669321)

Won't be long before Podsednik is on second.

73. tfbg9 Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:10 PM (#1669322)

Great.

74. villainx Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:10 PM (#1669323)

I hope Freddy does well. I believe he was suppose to put Chicago over the top when he was acquired last year, but didn't do much to prevent the fade.

This year, his numbers look pretty good. Are the Chicago fans happy with him. Has he become (to borrow the oppressor's slang) a True White Sox?

75. incarnadine Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:11 PM (#1669324)

Oops. Is Scott still as much of a caught-stealing machine as he was earlier in September?

Bad move, Iguchi.

76. tfbg9 Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:12 PM (#1669327)

Wind blowing out. Oh no. 35 HR allowed for Wake.

77. tfbg9 Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:13 PM (#1669329)

Here he goes.

78. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:13 PM (#1669330)

Yes!

79. Rafael Bellylard (p8p) Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:13 PM (#1669331)

Mirabelli is my hero

80. incarnadine Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:13 PM (#1669332)

Podsednik should really pay attention to how unbelievably often he was thrown out late in the year.

81. tfbg9 Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:14 PM (#1669333)

Wow.

82. tfbg9 Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:14 PM (#1669334)

OK, no more FB's.

83. incarnadine Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:15 PM (#1669335)

ESPN talking heads misidentifying the bunt in Game 1 as key to the big first inning for the White Sox.

Drink.

84. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:15 PM (#1669336)

Off to a good start.

85. tfbg9 Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:16 PM (#1669338)

Nooks and crannies-DRINK!

86. Answer Guy Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:17 PM (#1669340)

Ugh...Sportsline behind Chatter. At least it keeps me on my toes.

87. Pastor Toastman (PH) Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:17 PM (#1669341)

Okay, there's no point in having the Emperor™ take pitches if Pods is going to get himself out anyway. Grant Iguchi his wish and let him swing the bat.

88. Bull Pain Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:17 PM (#1669342)

The wind blowing out is not the least bit good for Garcia either.

89. incarnadine Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:18 PM (#1669343)

Nooks and crannies-DRINK!

We've replaced Fenway Park with a Thomas' English muffin.

Let's see if Berman can tell the difference.

90. tfbg9 Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:19 PM (#1669345)

How do you get a radio gig with a voice like Castiglione? Crazy.

91. Pastor Toastman (PH) Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:19 PM (#1669346)

An 89-mph fastball? I smell First-Inning Freddy.

92. incarnadine Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:20 PM (#1669348)

Hey, Freddy, you might want to throw strikes.

Just maybe.

93. Bull Pain Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:21 PM (#1669349)

Pods the CS machine and Big Game First-Inning Freddy is back again. At least we have Contreras in game 5.

94. incarnadine Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:21 PM (#1669350)

Bunt? Foolish.

95. Urban Faber Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:22 PM (#1669353)

Pods the CS machine and Big Game First-Inning Freddy is back again. At least we have Contreras in game 5.

But Boston will have Wakefield on three days' rest. Oh well, we at least had the first two glorious days.

96. Pastor Toastman (PH) Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:22 PM (#1669355)

Ozzieball is sweeping the nation!

97. DTS Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:23 PM (#1669357)

Bunt? Foolish.

It's very important to have someone in scoring position with Ortiz or Ramirez come up. Otherwise, the Red Sox cannot win. It's true. I've researched it.

Renteria sucks, huh?

98. Bob T Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:24 PM (#1669358)

What is this? A battle of one-upmanship in the fatalism department?

99. Bunny Vincennes Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:24 PM (#1669359)

Lets go Ortiz. But isn't Scotty Pods the MVP?

100. incarnadine Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:24 PM (#1669360)

Why doesn't the second baseman play as deep on the shift when there's a runner on first?

The third baseman and shortstop are pinched close enough to make any sort of double play you could possibly want.

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