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Wednesday, October 05, 2005

AL EAST CHAMPION NY Yankees at AL West Champion LA Angels 10:05pm ET on ESPN

C. Wang (0-0, NA) vs. J. Lackey (0-0, NA)
Yankees lead 1-0.

Chien-Ming Wang and his low K rate takes on a team that was the second hardest to strike out in baseball.  Should be interesting, I guess.  John Lackey has made a big leap forward this year, increasing his K/9 rate by 2 and lowering his HR rate at the same time.  He’s a former World Series hero too.

SG in ATL Posted: October 05, 2005 at 08:24 AM | 331 comment(s)
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   1. John Lowenstein Apathy Club Posted: October 05, 2005 at 09:57 AM (#1663836)
Copy of an open letter to Greg Ball, Staff Writer for the North County Times.

Dear Mr. Ball,

I take my hat off to you, sir.

My perusal of Google today indicates that you appear to be the only reporter in the entire United States to correctly diagnose Vlad Guerrero's "steal attempt" in the 6th last night for what it was - a botched hit-and-run. From that, I infer that you were probably the only reporter in that entire press box to be watching the play, instead of listening to Tim McCarver on TV.

Everyone else got the story wrong because they wrote what an "expert" told them - you got it right because you used your eyes.

Keep up the good work.

Sincerely,

[John Lowenstein Apathy Club]
   2. Guapo Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:32 AM (#1663892)
Why were they hitting-and-running with two outs, a runner on first, down 4 and Erstad facing a lefty?
   3. Joe C isn't Posted: October 05, 2005 at 11:04 AM (#1663962)
Did the caps lock get stuck, SG?

What an ass.
   4. John Lowenstein Apathy Club Posted: October 05, 2005 at 11:05 AM (#1663967)
Presumably, the idea was (knowing that Jeter almost always calls his own number to take the throw from the catcher) to pull Jeter out of his usual deep short towards the bag, allowing Erstad to slap the ball the other way through the vacated space. Erstad don't pull lefties much, so the 1B hole does him little good.

I don't think that reward is worth the risk, but I can see the reasoning.
   5. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 05, 2005 at 11:30 AM (#1664017)
In a 5 game series, I feel that the only "must-wins" are elimination games. Still, with the series shiting back to Yankee Stadium and Randy Johnson going in Game 3, this is as close as you get to a non-elimination "must win" for the Angels, in my opinion.
   6. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 05, 2005 at 11:32 AM (#1664024)
I got a funny e-mail from a student today in the medieval literature class that I teach at Boston University:

re:Today's Class
Dan,

I have to give you credit. I have never, ever before seen in my life a
teacher properly use "teh suck" while teaching a class. That might
have been the best moment of my college career so far. So thank you
for that."

I was showing them how to format the first page of their papers, and put an example on the board that had a sample title "Beowulf Roolz, Grendel is Teh Suck" ala Larry's ALCS preview last year.
   7. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: October 05, 2005 at 11:49 AM (#1664079)
I was showing them how to format the first page of their papers, and put an example on the board that had a sample title "Beowulf Roolz, Grendel is Teh Suck" ala Larry's ALCS preview last year.

Sample title? So...are you saying you wouldn't accept that as an actual title?
   8. Barca Posted: October 05, 2005 at 11:56 AM (#1664109)
"a botched hit-and-run."

So what happened in the ninth inning?
   9. Saxman Posted: October 05, 2005 at 12:35 PM (#1664213)
"...with the series shiting back to Yankee Stadium..."

Not that bad, surely.
   10. Cabbage Posted: October 05, 2005 at 12:53 PM (#1664252)
I was showing them how to format the first page of their papers, and put an example on the board that had a sample title "Beowulf Roolz, Grendel is Teh Suck" ala Larry's ALCS preview last year.

I found that professors in a certain age braket responded very well to Rocky & Bulwinkle-ish titles.
Ex:
Advancing Inertial Navigation System Technology: The Ring Laser Gyroscope
OR
Great Gyro Gifts: The Truest Track To Transylvania


Perhaps all this should head to the lounge....
   11. John Lowenstein Apathy Club Posted: October 05, 2005 at 01:10 PM (#1664285)
So what happened in the ninth inning?

No idea, but I suspect he went on his own. It's common to give a guy who runs well a permanent green light in those situations, to stay out of the double play.
   12. dcpi Posted: October 05, 2005 at 01:16 PM (#1664299)
Is it true that there is no over the air broadcast of tonight's game in NY? In past years they simulcast the games on UPN 9 for those of us without cable ... Bud SUCKS!!!
   13. villainx Posted: October 05, 2005 at 01:28 PM (#1664330)
I did say it wasn't a bad play by Vlad at the time. But whatever.
   14. villainx Posted: October 05, 2005 at 01:30 PM (#1664343)
What about Grendel's mom, WJ?
   15. RB in NYC (Now with Christmas Spirit!) Posted: October 05, 2005 at 02:15 PM (#1664484)

No idea, but I suspect he went on his own


He probably did, Tino was playing behind him, so it was at least half a case of defensive indifference. I think Posada just thought he had a shot and threw down
   16. bebop Posted: October 05, 2005 at 02:39 PM (#1664529)
That guy Contreras who pitched for the White Sox yesterday; didn't the Yankees once have a relative of his on the roster? A pitcher I think.
   17. Halofan Posted: October 05, 2005 at 03:44 PM (#1664666)
I was at the game and it was a botched hit and run and was shocked to hear the McCarever-induced controversey.

Go Angels!
   18. villainx Posted: October 05, 2005 at 03:58 PM (#1664714)
Go Angels!

Yeah, go away.

I hope the Yankees play better today. Their offense yesterday seemed so lackluster.
   19. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 05, 2005 at 04:38 PM (#1664871)
In case Erik pops his head in: Who's calling this game?
   20. Urban Faber Posted: October 05, 2005 at 06:53 PM (#1665217)
If Miller and Morgan didn't do the Braves game, then they must be at this one. Berman is staying with the all-Sox series.
   21. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: October 05, 2005 at 06:56 PM (#1665221)
Berman is staying with the all-Sox series.

Damn it damn it damn it
   22. Dewitty_Pun Posted: October 05, 2005 at 07:09 PM (#1665240)
Is Wang suited well or poorly against the Angels? On one hand, he wants the ball put in play (low K, low HR allowed) and the Angels offense plays into that perfectly. On the other hand, the Angels' batters strength is putting the ball in play and Wang allows many balls in play. So who has the advantage when the pitcher usually allows what the offense usually hits (in this case, few walks or homers and many balls in play)?
   23. RB in NYC (Now with Christmas Spirit!) Posted: October 05, 2005 at 07:15 PM (#1665254)
Persumaly the advantage is to Anaheim because a certain perecentage of balls put into play will become hits--espcially with the Yankee defense--so the more you put in play the better the chance one of them becomes a hit.
   24. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 05, 2005 at 07:35 PM (#1665327)
If Miller and Morgan didn't do the Braves game, then they must be at this one.

That's a possibility, I guess, but it leaves an opening in St. Louis. ...which is close enough to Chicago that Berman and Sutcliffe could continue ruining my October.

I'm really hoping for Schulman and Gwynn tonight.
   25. Urban Faber Posted: October 05, 2005 at 08:13 PM (#1665453)
Shulman did last night's game on the radio in Anaheim ... I thought with Dave Campbell. I assume they're still there.

Does Tino bat ninth a lot? That's where he is tonight.
   26. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 05, 2005 at 08:15 PM (#1665459)
Berman just said it's Miller and Morgan.
   27. KronicFatigue Posted: October 05, 2005 at 09:32 PM (#1665791)
I can live with bernie in CF and Tino at first when Wang is pitching.
   28. SG in ATL Posted: October 05, 2005 at 09:43 PM (#1665860)
As can I KronicFatigue. Let's hope we don't regret that.

Lackey scares me more than Colon. He's been nasty this year.
   29. Joe C isn't Posted: October 05, 2005 at 09:44 PM (#1665863)
If the White Sox beat the Red Sox, and the Yankees beat the Angels, I will root for the Yankees in the ALCS.
   30. SG in ATL Posted: October 05, 2005 at 09:45 PM (#1665867)
Really Joe C.? Why? Ozzie hatred?

If the Yankees can't win, I'd actually like to see the White Sox win. Their fans deserve it.
   31. villainx Posted: October 05, 2005 at 09:49 PM (#1665880)
Sure SG, all the teams that couldn't win jack for most of last century live it up at the expense of the Yankees. I actually want to see that too.
   32. SG in ATL Posted: October 05, 2005 at 09:50 PM (#1665884)
Lineups

NY Yankees
D. Jeter ss
A. Rodriguez 3b
J. Giambi dh
G. Sheffield rf
H. Matsui lf
R. Cano 2b
B. Williams cf
J. Posada c
T. Martinez 1b

C. Wang P

LA Angels
C. Figgins 3b
O. Cabrera ss
G. Anderson lf
V. Guerrero rf
B. Molina c
D. Erstad 1b
J. Rivera dh
S. Finley cf
A. Kennedy 2b

J. Lackey P
   33. Jeffo Posted: October 05, 2005 at 09:51 PM (#1665886)
When was the last time Posada hit 8th? That's a lot of rings in the bottom third of our lineup at least....
   34. Joe C isn't Posted: October 05, 2005 at 09:52 PM (#1665889)
Ozzie is a big part of it. A little bit of Hawk Harrelson...having EI this year and having to watch him made me hate him. There's also a coworker's fiancee (who I also used to work with), and is the most unlikeable, self-absorbed person I've ever met, is from Chicago, and suddenly, a White Sox fan.

Also, thanks to BTF (and the fact that the Yankees don't ALWAYS beat the Red Sox now), my hatred of the Yankees has lessened to a grudging respect and firce rival...kinda like a couple of brothers who have a super-intense sibling rivalry and always act like they hate each other...but at the end of the day, they'd rather see their brother succeed than some random guy off the street (so to speak).

I might root against the Yanks in the WS still, but, we'll get to that as it comes.
   35. RB in NYC (Now with Christmas Spirit!) Posted: October 05, 2005 at 09:53 PM (#1665894)
# That's a lot of rings in the bottom third of our lineup at least....

Assuming Jorge got one in '96 (I bet he did) there's 12 rings in that part of the order. Sadly, I imagine the Rings to Hits ratio for that part of the line-up will be at least 4-to-1 today, maybe even 6-to-1.

That's it for me for the next hour, see you guys at 11
   36. villainx Posted: October 05, 2005 at 09:55 PM (#1665896)
OK, hurry back, RB.
   37. villainx Posted: October 05, 2005 at 09:56 PM (#1665899)
So it's true, ny'ers w/o cable can't watch the game tonight, right?
   38. Urban Faber Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:03 PM (#1665907)
SG, thanks for the kind words.

Joe C, I can't disagree with your Hawk point either. Best thing about the playoffs is no Harrelson.
   39. Jeffo Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:04 PM (#1665908)
Rex, I think it's on Channel 55, which is a Long Island channel, not sure if all cable systems get it in the area
   40. Joe C isn't Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:08 PM (#1665915)
Yeah, Red....it would certainly (and obviously) have nothing to do with BTF White Sox fans. You all seem like a very nice bunch.
   41. I'm so broke I can't even pay attention. Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:09 PM (#1665918)
ny'ers w/o cable can't watch the game tonight

Not having cable is pretty lame.
   42. villainx Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:10 PM (#1665922)
HOLY ####! Thank you Jeffo!

Flipped around a little, and it's there, Jeter leading off.

Thanks again!
   43. Joe C isn't Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:11 PM (#1665924)
Not having cable is pretty lame.

Yeah, well, we can't all make a plumber's salary.

Making comments like that is pretty lame, too.
   44. dcpi Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:12 PM (#1665926)
Yes, not having cable is lame, but the fault in my case is with Time Warner, which has so far spent one month debating how to wire my building (it is newly constructed).

Don't have any Verizon phone service yet either, thank god for cell phones.
   45. Jeffo Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:13 PM (#1665927)
No problem RR. I say A-Rod gets a hit this post-season. At some point. Even after that out. I still say it. Please?
   46. Lester Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:13 PM (#1665928)
I'm impressed with Torre's lineups so far. With Mussina on the mound, it made sense to start Crosby in CF. With Wang on the mound, Tino at 1B makes sense (even if he's not Tino vintage 1998, he's still better than Giambi out there).
   47. villainx Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:13 PM (#1665929)
I can't believe the second game of the playoffs is in July.
   48. SG in ATL Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:13 PM (#1665931)
rexracer, this is the earliest start to the playoffs that I can remember.
   49. villainx Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:16 PM (#1665934)
I love Long Island, by the way.

Let's go Wang.
   50. SG in ATL Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:16 PM (#1665936)
A rather dubious start.
   51. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:16 PM (#1665938)
If you don't have cable, you can go to a bar, I bet a lot of bars in NYC will be showing the game.

Speaking of which, should i go right from work (11 PM) to a bar that is 3 minutes away, watch a few innings there, grab a bite, maybe talk to a few ladies, then go home, or make the 20 minute drive home right after work?
   52. villainx Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:18 PM (#1665940)
Lester, even if Tino's D was even with Giambi (and I think it's closer to even than still better), putting Tino in for an extreme groundballer is okay with me if the sole reason to protect Giambi's back.
   53. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:18 PM (#1665941)
I could really do without the crappy ####### music over the lineups. If I want to hear that ####, I'll watch a ####### Best Buy commercial.
   54. villainx Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:19 PM (#1665942)
SJ, baseball and ladies? I hope the Yankees score some, and you too.
   55. SG in ATL Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:20 PM (#1665943)
Wang hitting 95-96 with good movement down so far.
   56. Urban Faber Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:20 PM (#1665944)
Agree on the music. But did they finally dump that U2 song they'd been using all year? I thought I heard a different song on the Cardinals-Padres game yesterday.
   57. villainx Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:21 PM (#1665945)
Is Wang's delivery that unorthodox?
   58. SG in ATL Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:21 PM (#1665946)
A rare good first inning from Wang. I'll take another 7 like that.
   59. AZ Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:22 PM (#1665947)
Nice, three groundouts to start for Wang.
   60. Lester Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:22 PM (#1665948)
Why do people think Wang doesn't get many strikeouts despite throwing mid-90s with movement?
   61. villainx Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:22 PM (#1665949)
ooh, a hot dog. that saved it from being a really crappy commercial.
   62. I'm so broke I can't even pay attention. Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:22 PM (#1665951)
Wang is like a groundball machine.

Half man, half amazing.
   63. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:23 PM (#1665952)
Joe C.

I rooted for the Sox in the World Series last year, and I will be honest, it was nice. I was very happy for my old mentor, he was a great guy and a Sox fan. So basically, in my mind, I rooted for him, and that made it easier.

If the Yanks lose, I will root for the White Sox, because they have good fans, like that fine family who celebrated on the field with the Royals and Gamboa that time.

Or that time the guy ran into RF to shake the hand of that umpire.

And Vince G.
   64. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:24 PM (#1665954)
Agree on the music. But did they finally dump that U2 song they'd been using all year? I thought I heard a different song on the Cardinals-Padres game yesterday.

They're using whatever that BEP song with the Dick Dale sample is.
   65. SG in ATL Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:24 PM (#1665955)
Why do people think Wang doesn't get many strikeouts despite throwing mid-90s with movement?

I've often wondered the same thing. I guess it's because he doesn't pitch to the corners much, and his delivery is not particularly deceptive. His splitter is ok, but not great. I know the K rate is freakishly low, but I think he can succeed at the major league level. If he refines his splitter and changeup a bit more, I think he can get his K rate up.
   66. villainx Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:26 PM (#1665958)
Lester, since I hear the Brown is a good sinker, and a groundball pitcher, looking at his stats, he didn't strike out a lot of folks the first few years he was up.

I could be wrong about Brown and the groundball thing, though.
   67. villainx Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:26 PM (#1665959)
Matsui!
   68. Jeffo Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:26 PM (#1665960)
DOUBLE-ZILLA!!!!
   69. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:27 PM (#1665961)
I love ESPN's listing of Matsui's Place of Birth.


I wish could say I was born in "Manhattan, New Yorkawa Prefecture"
   70. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:27 PM (#1665963)
ALDS MVP Robby Cano.
   71. villainx Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:27 PM (#1665964)
ROY!!!
   72. SG in ATL Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:27 PM (#1665965)
I could be wrong about Brown and the groundball thing, though.

Wang's minor league K rates are better than Brown's were, and his BB rate is better too. Brown was up sooner though, and his major league K rate was slightly better. He struck out over 7 batters per 9 in the minors, I would expect him to improve next year.

Nice job 2B-Zilla.

Robby Cano rocks. I want all those clowns who mock him for not walking to show themselvs.
   73. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:27 PM (#1665966)
Yeah, I think Wang can be an consitent #3 or #4 guy. He is certainly no Jonathan Applebottom on the Sox, who is already pitching out of the bullpen in the postseason.

Wang is a nice player, was he hitting 95 before the surgery?
   74. salajander Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:28 PM (#1665967)
Very nice start by Wang.

C'mon Cano, pick up where you left off last night!

Oh, nice!!
   75. SG in ATL Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:29 PM (#1665968)

Wang is a nice player, was he hitting 95 before the surgery?


The highest I saw was 97 once or twice. He's hitting 96 today.
   76. Lester Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:30 PM (#1665969)
Cano is making Torre look like a frickin' genius for hitting him 6th all of a sudden.
   77. villainx Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:31 PM (#1665970)
Hahaha, as Bernie strikes out! Morgan is not always on target with his analysis.

But looking at Brown's first few years, people must have been asking what was wrong with his K rate, don't you think?
   78. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:31 PM (#1665971)
Wang was absolutely mid-90's before the surgery. Cashman would tell anyone who listened when he came up that Wang still wasn't the pitcher he had been before TJS, that they expected him to improve over the rest of the season and into next year.


He was right. Cashman is a saavy SOB.
   79. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:32 PM (#1665973)
Spell Check:
savy?
saavy?
savvy?
saavvy?


ok, I give up.
   80. salajander Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:33 PM (#1665974)
Savvy.
   81. Jeffo Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:34 PM (#1665977)
Cleared Tino for the next inning at least.
   82. villainx Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:34 PM (#1665978)
Let's go Wang.
   83. SG in ATL Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:34 PM (#1665979)
Good thing Tino is in there for his defense.
   84. AZ Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:35 PM (#1665980)
Ugh, Tino.
   85. villainx Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:35 PM (#1665981)
Tino is this game's Bubba, apparently.
   86. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:36 PM (#1665982)
This Graffanino storyline is going to get old in a hurry.

Who gave up the three-run homer, again?
   87. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:36 PM (#1665983)
What's the big deal, we scored a run AND cleared the pitcher, that is a good day in my book
   88. Cabbage Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:37 PM (#1665984)
Wow. Primer is empty. Is everyone in the IRC? I've never gone in (doubt my computer can handle it. It doesn't like to run AIM and Mozilla at the same time) but the dearth of conversation might force me to.
   89. SG in ATL Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:37 PM (#1665986)
MVD!
   90. villainx Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:38 PM (#1665987)
Thanks alot Cabbage.
   91. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:39 PM (#1665989)
Wang=sharp.
   92. Barca Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:40 PM (#1665990)
The Angels turn any rookie pitcher into Cy Wang.
   93. KronicFatigue Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:41 PM (#1665991)
what % of postseason games are started by a team's "ace". probably between 25%-33%, right? Has anyone ever done a study on whether the myth of "good pitching wins championships" comes from teh fact that teams can be topheavy with their rotation and bottom heavy with their bulpens. Seems like most teams can cut out a lot of their filler.
   94. PhillyBooster Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:42 PM (#1665992)

Wow. Primer is empty. Is everyone in the IRC?


Some of us are here, but don't have anything to add except, "Yes, David Bell would have also gotten to that ball to A-Rod, but he would have also hit into several more inning ending double plays."
   95. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:43 PM (#1665994)
There are very few players I would like to punch more than Darren Erstad.

Thank God the Yankees didn't trade for him. Hey everybody, remember when Brian Cashman didn't trade Ramiro Mendoza for Jim Edmonds? sometimes the best moves are the ones that you don't make.
   96. Pastor Toastman (PH) Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:44 PM (#1665995)
The one time it's not past a diving Jeter, Cano can't capitalize.
   97. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:44 PM (#1665996)
Why did he have to dive for a ball hit a step to his left?
   98. Barca Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:44 PM (#1665998)
That Jeter .... doesn't he have a gold glove?
   99. SG in ATL Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:44 PM (#1665999)
That wasn't Jeter's fault. Cano needs to catch that.
   100. PhillyBooster Posted: October 05, 2005 at 10:44 PM (#1666000)
If that were Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley, there is a 10-15% chance that something similar would have happened.
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