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Saturday, October 14, 2006

ALCS Game 4: A’s (0-3) at Tigers (3-0) - 4:35 pm EDT on FOX

OAK: D. Haren (14-13, 4.12)
DET: J. Bonderman (14-8, 4.08)

NTNgod Posted: October 14, 2006 at 03:19 AM | 323 comment(s)
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1. strong silence Posted: October 14, 2006 at 08:08 AM (#2211197)

"Science and art," wrote Herophilus, "have nothing to show, strength is incapable of effort, wealth is useless, and eloquence is powerless, where there is no health."

I would add baseball to that.

2. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 09:57 AM (#2211217)

Bondermania is going to break out all over the place.

3. Buddha Posted: October 14, 2006 at 11:15 AM (#2211255)

Go Tigers!

4. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: October 14, 2006 at 01:37 PM (#2211299)

Bless you boys.

5. Greg Franklin Posted: October 14, 2006 at 02:55 PM (#2211338)

Non-panicky lineups:

OAK
1. J Kendall, C .295 1 50 11
2. M Kotsay, CF .275 7 59 6
3. M Bradley, RF .276 14 52 10
4. F Thomas, DH .270 39 114 0
5. E Chavez, 3B .241 22 72 3
6. J Payton, LF .296 10 59 8
7. N Swisher, 1B .254 35 95 1
8. M Scutaro, SS .266 5 41 5
9. D Jimenez, 2B .071 0 0 0

DET
1. C Granderson, CF .260 19 68 8
2. C Monroe, LF .255 28 92 2
3. P Polanco, 2B .295 4 52 1
4. M Ordonez, RF .298 24 104 1
5. C Guillen, 1B .320 19 85 20
6. I Rodriguez, C .300 13 69 8
7. A Gomez, DH .272 1 6 4
8. B Inge, 3B .253 27 83 7
9. R Santiago, SS .225 0 3 2

What's the temp and wind chill look like today?

6. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 03:55 PM (#2211354)

Unsuspecting Pedestrian®, C
I miss two-hole Swisher®, CF
The Void®, RF
We need undead Frank, like, now®, DH
The Chasm®, 3B
Jay Payton has no cryptic nickname®, LF
General Burnside®, 1B
Porcelain Mormon's Stand-in®, SS
Untitled (How Does It Feel)®, 2B

Momentum is the next day's starting pitcher®, P

7. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 03:58 PM (#2211355)

A journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step, A's fans. So look alive.

8. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:12 PM (#2211360)

A journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step, A's fans. So look alive.

The only step the Athletics are taking today is into the temporary grave that is the offseason.

9. Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:21 PM (#2211365)

Can AJ Pierzynski quit referring to the White Sox for maybe 10 seconds?

10. Banta Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:24 PM (#2211368)

Eric Byrnes should have his own TV show.

11. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:27 PM (#2211369)

They're co-opting our song!

12. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:27 PM (#2211370)

And a shitty cover, at that!

13. Andere HUSSEIN Richtingen, Socialist Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:28 PM (#2211371)

Of the Zombies song?

14. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:31 PM (#2211375)

I see the Eric Gregg Memorial Strike Zone is in effect.

15. John Brill's #1 Fan (JMN) Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:32 PM (#2211376)

That's a good pitch. Jason, jawing just make you look desperate.

16. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:34 PM (#2211377)

Throw strikes, Jeremy.

Who is the third guy in the booth, now that Lyons has been consigned to the dustbin of history?

17. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:36 PM (#2211378)

Jose Mota.

18. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:37 PM (#2211379)

Yeah! Single step!

19. Danny Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:37 PM (#2211380)

Yahtzee!

20. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:37 PM (#2211381)

Who the hell is Jose Mota?

Bradley is the only guy on Oakland who has played worth a damn.

21. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:38 PM (#2211382)

Of the Zombies song?

Yeah. I think it might've been OK Go.

22. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:39 PM (#2211383)

I think I prefer Frank Thomas with hair to Frank Thomas without hair. Why did he go baldo?

23. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:40 PM (#2211384)

I think Mota does studio work for the Angels. He occasionally ends up in the booth with Fake Broadcaster Voice Guy and the Wonder Bud.

24. Capital City Goofball Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:40 PM (#2211385)

Steve Lyons was fired today.

25. Danny Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:41 PM (#2211386)

####!

26. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:41 PM (#2211387)

It's just a cramp. He got one in the 2004 NLDS against the Cardinals, too.

27. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:41 PM (#2211388)

Steve Lyons was fired today.

Out of a cannon, we can only hope.

28. Capital City Goofball Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:42 PM (#2211389)

DETROIT (AP) _ Fox baseball broadcaster Steve Lyons has been
fired for making a racially insensitive comment directed at
colleague Lou Piniella's Hispanic heritage on the air during Game 3
of the American League championship series.
The network confirmed Saturday that Lyons was dismissed after
Friday's comments. He has been replaced for the remainder of the
series by Los Angeles Angels announcer Jose Mota.
``Steve Lyons has been relieved of his Fox Sports duties for
making comments on air that the company found inappropriate,''
network spokesman Dan Bell said.
Lyons had been working in the booth for the ALCS alongside Thom
Brennaman and Piniella.
Piniella, approached before Saturday's Game 4, declined to
comment on the situation except to say: ``No, he's not here
today.''

29. John Brill's #1 Fan (JMN) Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:43 PM (#2211390)

Two down. C'mon Jeremy.

30. Danny Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:44 PM (#2211391)

After Piniella had used a little Spanish earlier in the game...

Lyons said that Piniella was "hablaing Espanol" -- butchering the conjugation for the word "to speak" -- and added, "I still can't find my wallet."

"I don't understand him, and I don't want to sit too close to him now," Lyons continued.

Fox executives told Lyons after the game he had been fired.

31. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:44 PM (#2211392)

Chasmerrific!

32. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:44 PM (#2211393)

What was with the guy in the Reds cap?

33. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:46 PM (#2211395)

What's "racially insensitive" about calling back Piniella's comment about a good performance from Scutaro being like finding a wallet?

34. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:46 PM (#2211396)

I don't really think what Lyons said is so much ethnically insensitive than stupid and incomprehensible. Which is par for the course with him.

Why does Brennaman think he needs to explain what the GED is?

35. John Brill's #1 Fan (JMN) Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:48 PM (#2211397)

Well, now you have to play some catch up.

36. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:48 PM (#2211398)

Brandon Inge is pretty strong at third base.

Danny Haren's hair decisions are questionable at best.

37. If theres a bunt w'all remember twas back in ol 92 Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:49 PM (#2211399)

Because Piniella didn't seem to understand what a GED is

38. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:50 PM (#2211400)

Because Piniella didn't seem to understand what a GED is

That's because Piniella went to high school in Dickety Three, but I think most of the American populace is familiar with the concept. I could be wrong, though.

39. Danny Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:51 PM (#2211401)

I assumed the not wanting to sit next to Piniella part was related to the wallet comment--insinuating Piniella stole it.

40. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:51 PM (#2211402)

And so begins the A's greatest ever post-season comeback!

41. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:52 PM (#2211403)

How hard is it to travel back and forth between Detroit and Windsor? Would it be feasible to work in Detroit, earning American dollars, and live in Canada, where the dollar goes farther?

42. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:53 PM (#2211404)

What the #### was that, Haren?

43. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:54 PM (#2211405)

I assumed the not wanting to sit next to Piniella part was related to the wallet comment--insinuating Piniella stole it.

I guess they decided that Lyons was implying that Spanish-speakers are wallet thieves? It sounds to me like Lyons is a moron who makes jokes that (A) aren't funny and (B) don't actually make much sense.

And so begins the A's greatest ever post-season comeback!

Vaux, you lovable monkey, what would we do without you?

44. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:55 PM (#2211406)

I miss one lousy half-inning and we fall apart.

45. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:56 PM (#2211407)

Mota doesn't really bring much to the table, does he?

46. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:57 PM (#2211408)

He played in the NL until last year, Thom. Stop talking about how he's owned the A's his entire career.

47. John Brill's #1 Fan (JMN) Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:57 PM (#2211409)

and live in Canada, where the dollar goes farther?

1) Crossing the border is a major hassle.

2) The US dollar doesn't really go farther anymore.

48. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:57 PM (#2211410)

Maggs, now would be a time to do something.

49. fra paolo Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:57 PM (#2211411)

Would it be feasible to work in Detroit, earning American dollars, and live in Canada, where the dollar goes farther?

Yes. My father's factory was out past the Metro Airport, and they had a few Ontarians working there.

50. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:58 PM (#2211412)

Ordonez has been kind of terrible this series.

51. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:58 PM (#2211414)

Shutdown inning! Another step!

52. Danny Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:59 PM (#2211415)

I watched in a bar, so I didn't hear the exchange. Lyons was suspended a couple years ago for comments about Shawn Green misisng games for Yom Kippur.

Dannyboy!

53. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: October 14, 2006 at 04:59 PM (#2211416)

How did the As get their runs?

54. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:00 PM (#2211418)

Grit and determination, that's how!

55. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:00 PM (#2211419)

The US dollar doesn't really go farther anymore.

Yeah, in a couple of years, people will be working in Windsor and living in Michigan. I was really wondering if the border crossing was too arduous, which it is, apparently.

56. fra paolo Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:02 PM (#2211420)

BTW, sorry I'm late chaps. I thought this was the second game today.

57. John Brill's #1 Fan (JMN) Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:02 PM (#2211421)

Yes. My father's factory was out past the Metro Airport, and they had a few Ontarians working there.

Was this before 9/11? Crossing the border has become a much bigger deal in the last five years.

58. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:03 PM (#2211422)

Much better, Jeremy.

The Tigers' secret weapon is in the lineup again today, I see.

59. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:03 PM (#2211423)

Well done, Jeremy.

60. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:06 PM (#2211425)

Was this before 9/11? Crossing the border has become a much bigger deal in the last five years.

Lousy Canadian terrorists, with their maple bombs and booby-trapped moose.

61. fra paolo Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:07 PM (#2211426)

Was this before 9/11?

Yes, he died in 1980.

I actually came over the Ambassador Bridge from Canada in July 2005, but I thought we only had difficulty because Mrs Fra Paolo and the little Fra Paolettas were traveling on British passports without visas for the US.

62. John Brill's #1 Fan (JMN) Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:07 PM (#2211427)

Of course, Suppan's start was the only one the Cards lost during the NLDS...

63. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:07 PM (#2211428)

Mmmmmmm.......

maple bombs.

64. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:09 PM (#2211431)

How much longer can we keep winning with our two best hitters doing nothing? Probably not long.

65. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:09 PM (#2211432)

Quit calling a booted double play grounder a two-run single.

66. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:10 PM (#2211433)

I was certain Maroth was going to have a better season than Rogers. Even without the injury, I was wrong.

Everything about Danny Haren's appearance screams West Coast doofus. Which is totally different from our Eastern doofus.

67. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:10 PM (#2211434)

LEXUS! Looking like Vladdy there.

68. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:12 PM (#2211436)

What are Jose Mota's credentials? Is he an ex-player? I have no idea who this guy is. And I'm not enjoying him very much.

69. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:12 PM (#2211437)

This don't look good.

70. Danny Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:12 PM (#2211438)

I like it.

71. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:14 PM (#2211439)

I think he's Manny Mota's kid. He was on the fringe of the fringe as a player.

72. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:14 PM (#2211440)

You want Lyons back, rlr (Racist Lyons Rooter)?

73. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:14 PM (#2211441)

Haren's best pitch is a bad matchup for the Tigers' style of hitting. I still figure he's good for a couple gopher balls. The key is to have a couple guys on when they come and Detroit isn't doing a good job of that thus far.

74. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:15 PM (#2211443)

You want Lyons back, rlr (Racist Lyons Rooter)?

I want a dying Phil Rizzuto, but it isn't happening.

75. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:17 PM (#2211445)

Please, sir. Do not cite the radar gun readings. I do not believe them.

76. Danny Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:18 PM (#2211447)

Parker Brothers sucks!

77. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:18 PM (#2211448)

Milton Bradley, tough bastard.

78. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:20 PM (#2211449)

Jose Mota, despite being basically my size (5'9, 155), played in 91 with SD & in 95 with KC. hit .211 in 38 games, mostly at 2B. Career OPS+ of 35.

79. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:21 PM (#2211451)

Jose Mota, despite being basically my size (5'9, 155), played in 91 with SD & in 95 with KC. hit .211 in 38 games, mostly at 2B. Career OPS+ of 35.

Sign of a bad player: you play two seasons in the majors, four years apart.

80. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:22 PM (#2211453)

Wale, you're twice the size of David Eckstein.

81. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:22 PM (#2211454)

Lose the Nickelback, Fox.

82. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:23 PM (#2211456)

Lose the Nickelback, Fox.

Lose the Fox, MLB.

83. Danny Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:24 PM (#2211459)

Nasty.

84. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:25 PM (#2211460)

Every fifth word out of Brennaman's mouth is going to be "splitter," isn't it?

85. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:25 PM (#2211462)

Milton Bradley is now running like Frank Thomas was back in June. But they've got to leave him in there, the way he's hitting.

I never knew that Piniella has Hispanic heritage. Given the nature of Psycho's comments, I am far from surprised that his replacement is Hispanic.

86. Softball-Playing Human Refuses to Be Walked Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:26 PM (#2211463)

Woosh. If only Haren had started Game 3.

87. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:27 PM (#2211466)

Right down the can? Is that a baseball term or did you just make that up, Thhhom?

I never knew that Piniella has Hispanic heritage. Given the nature of Psycho's comments, I am far from surprised that his replacement is Hispanic.

I think his ancestors (parents or grandparents) were from Spain. I had always figured he was Italian, but apparently not.

88. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:30 PM (#2211468)

Why in #### did Haren pick today not to suck?

89. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:30 PM (#2211469)

Jay Payton, Jeremy? Shame on you.

90. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:30 PM (#2211470)

One foot in front of the other.

91. Danny Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:30 PM (#2211471)

Jay!

92. Dig!!! JMM Dig!!! Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:30 PM (#2211472)

Why should only Fox lose the Nickelback?

BLOKE WITH NO CRYPTIC NICKNAME!!!!!!

93. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:32 PM (#2211474)

That's not what "ripped" means.

94. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:32 PM (#2211475)

If he didn't hit it all that hard, Thom, why did you describe it as "ripped"?

95. Danny Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:32 PM (#2211476)

Woosh. If only Haren had started Game 3.

Then the A's would have scored a run?

96. Dig!!! JMM Dig!!! Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:33 PM (#2211477)

Terry Francona was our bench coach before he went to Boston, so Macha has a direct line to the one guy who's pulled it off....

97. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:33 PM (#2211478)

Yes, Danny, in the tenth inning.

98. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:34 PM (#2211479)

And now this game is thoroughly over.

99. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:34 PM (#2211480)

Does Swisher really have speed? He never struck me as very quick.

I am seriously asking. I don't know.

100. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 14, 2006 at 05:35 PM (#2211481)

Cleared the pitcher.

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