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Friday, October 06, 2006

ALDS Game 3: Tigers (1-1) at Yankees (1-1) - 8:05 pm EDT on ESPN

NYY: R. Johnson (17-11, 5.00)
DET: K. Rogers (17-8, 3.84)

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1. RB in NYC (Now with Christmas Spirit!) Posted: October 06, 2006 at 09:08 AM (#2200398)

Fun Fact For Today:
The Yankees are 0-1 in the 2006 playoffs when I do not open the Chatter with a Fun Fact

As I posted in the tough spot thread, this is my team. I picked them. I'm sticking by them. Maybe I'll be right, maybe I'll be wrong, but I stand by them.

2. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: October 06, 2006 at 11:12 AM (#2200491)

I am worried about the weather with regard to Randy Johnson's back.

It will be COOOOOOOLD in De-twah tonight. According to the NWS, it's supposed to be 52 at gametime dropping to 47 by 11PM, with a breeze off the lake. Brrrr.......

3. Urban Faber Posted: October 06, 2006 at 11:38 AM (#2200509)

Wow, that's almost Houston-level cold.

4. Buddha Posted: October 06, 2006 at 11:44 AM (#2200518)

A breeze off of what lake? Lake St. Clair?

5. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 11:54 AM (#2200527)

I am worried about the weather with regard to Randy Johnson's back.

Randy Johnson will be warm and cozy in the clubhouse by the time 11:00 rolls around, if that's any comfort. He won't be seeing 47 degrees, anyway.

6. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:11 PM (#2200542)

A breeze off of what lake? Lake St. Clair?

You do realize that with an easterly wind vector (which is unusual in MI) there are 3 lakes within 30 miles of Detroit that could add a cold humidity to the air.

7. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:22 PM (#2200552)

It could be absolute zero and it won't effect Johnson in any way. He is going to suck regardless.

This matchup is funny, bother fanbases think their veteran lefty is going to get roughed up, and they are both probably correct.

8. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:46 PM (#2200584)

Alright you Big Gangly Pituitary Freak Loser. I don't like you and you probably wouldn't like me if you knew who I was. But we both want the same thing to come of this game. So get it done and I won't cut the brake line on your car.

9. Pastor Toastman (PH) Posted: October 06, 2006 at 02:02 PM (#2200683)

Alright you Big Gangly Pituitary Freak Loser. I don't like you and you probably wouldn't like me if you knew who I was. But we both want the same thing to come of this game.

C'mon, lots and lots of run support?

10. Matt Waters Posted: October 06, 2006 at 02:07 PM (#2200686)

There is no possible way a Hall of Fame pitcher blows two seasons in a row to Paul Byrd and Kenny Rogers. No ####### way.

11. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 06, 2006 at 02:24 PM (#2200709)

There is no possible way a Hall of Fame pitcher blows two seasons in a row to Paul Byrd and Kenny Rogers. No ####### way.

Baseball has never seen a player like Randy Johnson before. Expect the unimaginable. If he can go five innings and allow four runs, I will absolutely take that.

12. Cutter Posted: October 06, 2006 at 02:28 PM (#2200717)

rLr, remember when you predicted the exact 3 Detroit hitters to hit homers of Randy in his last start agains the Tigers?

Yeah, don't do that again.

13. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 06, 2006 at 02:36 PM (#2200730)

Yeah, don't do that again.

I'm making no predictions. This time it counts!

14. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 02:52 PM (#2200753)

Johnson is going to be effective tonight. The Tigers swing at everything, so control problems from his long layoff won't hurt him. And his stuff is really still decent; he just doesn't seem to know how to pitch with what he has now. If he had Schilling's or Glavine's or Pedro's smarts, he'd still be as good as they are. But the Tigers hitters can't take advantage of his problems.

Kenny Rogers, New York, Yankees, playoffs... by the end of the night, that walk-off walk is going to look like some mighty fine pitching.

15. Not Marv Cook Posted: October 06, 2006 at 03:26 PM (#2200778)

I am more pessimistic about this game than probably any Yankee game ever. The odds are probably 6:5 that Johnson is being a stubborn horses ass right now and is in no way healthy, and he thinks he can "grit" through 6 innings tonight in the Detroit cold. It's not happening. He is gonna get lit up more than my roommate, it's gonna be ridiculous. I really think the best case scenario might be for him to be so uncontrollably wild out the gate that Torre has no choice but to go to the pen early (like 1st inning early).

16. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 03:37 PM (#2200784)

Kenny Rogers, New York, Yankees, playoffs... by the end of the night, that walk-off walk is going to look like some mighty fine pitching.

You HAD to bring that up, didn't you, Vaux? You couldn't let some Yankee fan mention it first? Please remember that Mets' fans are your friends here. Don't cause us pain by bringing up Rogers' sinful past . . . .

17. Joe Bivens, Ditch Digger Posted: October 06, 2006 at 03:39 PM (#2200787)

Yankees 12 Detroit 4 as "American Dad" Kenny Rogers gets slapped around early.

18. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 06, 2006 at 03:42 PM (#2200790)

Yankees 12 Detroit 4 as "American Dad" Kenny Rogers gets slapped around early.

I'm coming around to believe that the Yankees could win this game, but there is no way either team scores fewer than 6 runs.

19. bebop Posted: October 06, 2006 at 03:49 PM (#2200797)

Fransesca is agitating to play Bernie tonight

20. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: October 06, 2006 at 03:56 PM (#2200804)

What is the Vegas o/u?

I think Bernie would be fine starting in the place of Matsui tonight.

21. bebop Posted: October 06, 2006 at 03:58 PM (#2200809)

Someone called into FAN and reported that Damon is out and Bernie is in CF; Detroit's stadium is spacious right? Why not Melky?

22. bebop Posted: October 06, 2006 at 03:59 PM (#2200811)

FAN is now retracting story and lineup is same

23. Joe Bivens, Ditch Digger Posted: October 06, 2006 at 04:00 PM (#2200813)

Someone called into FAN and reported that Damon is out and Bernie is in CF; Detroit's stadium is spacious right? Why not Melky?

Who? Guido from Bensonhurst? And this report is credible why?

24. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: October 06, 2006 at 04:00 PM (#2200815)

Why not Melky?

Because Bernie is only good at hitting lefties, if you don't start him tonight, you never will.

I would bet Melky would go tomorrow if Damon can't go today.

25. bebop Posted: October 06, 2006 at 04:08 PM (#2200835)

I could see playing Bernie over Shef. Soft throwing lefties like Rogers are right up Bernie's alley.

26. Cutter Posted: October 06, 2006 at 04:12 PM (#2200843)

Who? Guido from Bensonhurst? And this report is credible why?

He said he got it from ESPN. Just when you think a random caller can't get any less credible.

Mike cleared it up by saying that ESPN was simply specualting. His desire to see Bernie in there is troubling at the least.

27. Matt Waters Posted: October 06, 2006 at 04:14 PM (#2200847)

Who? Guido from Bensonhurst? And this report is credible why?

Hey, as an Italian American, I find that highly offensive. His name was most likely Vinny.

28. Matt Waters Posted: October 06, 2006 at 04:16 PM (#2200855)

What the hell is wrong with my quote button? Jeeze...

29. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: October 06, 2006 at 04:17 PM (#2200860)

I could see playing Bernie over Shef.

Which means Giambi plays first, Arod moves up to fourth.

Bernie would probably bat eigth, as the DH.

30. salajander Posted: October 06, 2006 at 04:17 PM (#2200862)

Poking around on retrosheet's batter/pitcher pages and it looks like the Yanks pretty much own Rogers, highlighted by A-Rod being 10 for 19 with 5 homers and 2 doubles and Giambi 10 for 23 with 4 homers and 1 double. Quick back of the envelope calculations has the lineup (apart from Areu, Matsui, and Cano, who have either not faced Rogers or haven't made it to retrosheet yet) hitting something like .396/.494/.985 against Rogers.

Which is good, because Johnson's going to suck.

31. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: October 06, 2006 at 04:20 PM (#2200870)

Yanks hit Verlander a bunch too.

32. salajander Posted: October 06, 2006 at 04:26 PM (#2200882)

Sure they did. In one game. And while the sample's still small aganist Rogers statistically speaking, I think it's more of a predictor than one game.

33. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: October 06, 2006 at 04:49 PM (#2200928)

My Yankees loving best friend and my brother are coming over tonite, so I will be absent from the Chatter. Just wanted to share how the Roaster scares the crap out of me this game. Which sucks, because we need to win this series in Detroit if we're to win it at all.

34. SugarBear Blanks Posted: October 06, 2006 at 05:13 PM (#2200995)

Mike cleared it up by saying that ESPN was simply specualting. His desire to see Bernie in there is troubling at the least.

Francesca's manlove for Bernie > everybody else's manlove for Jeter.

35. chemdoc Posted: October 06, 2006 at 05:43 PM (#2201052)

Bless you boys.

36. Guapo Posted: October 06, 2006 at 05:43 PM (#2201054)

I wonder if two pitchers who've thrown perfect games have ever met in the postseason before.

And of course, nobody expects either of these guys to be around by the sixth inning.

37. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 06, 2006 at 05:57 PM (#2201081)

I'd start Bernie at DH due to his effectiveness against lefties and sit Giambi because of his ineffectivenss against lefties. Bring in Giambi if Rogers is replaced with a righty.

38. Bob Koo Posted: October 06, 2006 at 05:59 PM (#2201084)

Bernie at DH, Giambi at first. No Sheffield. A-Rod batting fourth, then Giambi-Posada-Matsui-Bernie-Cano.

39. Buddha Posted: October 06, 2006 at 06:01 PM (#2201093)

With JOhnson on the mound, Polanco leads off, Monroe bats second, Thames bats third. Granderson moved to ninth.

40. bebop Posted: October 06, 2006 at 06:02 PM (#2201097)

Shef is 3 for 17 against Rogers and Giambi and Bernie are both hitting over 300 against him

41. salajander Posted: October 06, 2006 at 06:11 PM (#2201115)

Bernie's 12 for 34 with 2 homers and 2 doubles, .353/.421/.588.
Giambi's 10 for 23 with 4 homers and 1 double, .435/.567/1.000.

42. retro-shiite Posted: October 06, 2006 at 06:17 PM (#2201120)

rLr, remember when you predicted the exact 3 Detroit hitters to hit homers of Randy in his last start agains the Tigers?

Seriously? That's awesome. Who were they? (Yes, I'm too lazy to look it up.)

43. Urban Faber Posted: October 06, 2006 at 06:21 PM (#2201123)

With JOhnson on the mound, Polanco leads off, Monroe bats second, Thames bats third. Granderson moved to ninth.

Most importantly, Neifi nailed to the bench.

44. salajander Posted: October 06, 2006 at 06:27 PM (#2201132)

Seriously? That's awesome. Who were they? (Yes, I'm too lazy to look it up.)

Tigers at Yankees, August 31

107. rLr: Rated "Long-Lasting And Unpleasant" Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:21 PM (#2163349)
Just for the record, I predicted homers by Ordonez, Thames, and Infante. Big Gangly needs to get crackin' on fulfilling my prediction.

45. NJ in DC loathes his classmates and the law Posted: October 06, 2006 at 07:10 PM (#2201222)

I just learned on the SportsCenter opener that A-Rod is 4-35 thus far.

46. The Milton Bradley Effect (Voxter) Posted: October 06, 2006 at 07:11 PM (#2201224)

Alex Rodriquez is the reason babies die of hunger in Africa.

That is all.

47. Matt Waters Posted: October 06, 2006 at 07:11 PM (#2201225)

God, ESPN is such a pathetic ####### mess.

48. Srul Itza Posted: October 06, 2006 at 07:28 PM (#2201237)

After Bigfoot gives up 5 run in the firsts and then leaves with a bad back, can we talk the Yankees into DFA'ing him?

49. pv nasby Posted: October 06, 2006 at 07:33 PM (#2201240)

For some reason, #8 above is one of my all-time favorite posts in this place already.

50. Bob "Jugement" Dernier Posted: October 06, 2006 at 07:34 PM (#2201242)

I was at the Stadium for Marcus Thames's first major-league hit, anyone else remember that one? Just mentioning. To kind of jinx him, you know.

51. Cutter Posted: October 06, 2006 at 07:38 PM (#2201245)

I wonder if two pitchers who've thrown perfect games have ever met in the postseason before.

Nope. First time.

52. Greg Franklin Posted: October 06, 2006 at 07:41 PM (#2201248)

Tnoight's lefty fortysomething lineups:

NYY
1. J Damon, CF .285 24 80 25
2. D Jeter, SS .343 14 97 34
3. B Abreu, RF .330 7 42 10
4. A Rodriguez, 3B .290 35 121 15
5. J Giambi, 1B .253 37 113 2
6. J Posada, C .277 23 93 3
7. H Matsui, LF .302 8 29 1
8. B Williams, DH .281 12 61 2
9. R Cano, 2B .342 15 78 5

DET
1. P Polanco, 2B .295 4 52 1
2. C Monroe, LF .255 28 92 2
3. M Thames, DH .256 26 60 1
4. M Ordonez, RF .298 24 104 1
5. C Guillen, SS .320 19 85 20
6. I Rodriguez, C .300 13 69 8
7. S Casey, 1B .245 5 30 0
8. B Inge, 3B .253 27 83 7
9. C Granderson, CF .260 19 68 8

Good thing Thames is an ex-Yankee; the FOX/ESPN guys are getting a lot of mileage out of his storyline.

53. Srul Itza Posted: October 06, 2006 at 07:55 PM (#2201259)

The changes made by Joe indicate to me that he is nervous about this game. He should be.

54. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:01 PM (#2201268)

I'm ####### nervous and I'm going to have to miss some of the game to go to a party. #### me.

55. NJ in DC loathes his classmates and the law Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:03 PM (#2201270)

Somehow I doubt that, as Joe Morgan said, the Tigers offense is almost as good as the Yankees. I mean...I guess it could depend on your definition of almost.

56. Repoz Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:03 PM (#2201271)

Moe Jorgan just said the Tigers offense is almost as good as the Yankees ...

Weeeeeeeeeeeee...game time!

57. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:05 PM (#2201273)

So, this has to be the most tense and exciting game of the season (so far), right? More at stake tonight for both teams than we've had in any single game to date. Gotta love it . . . .

58. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:09 PM (#2201276)

Kenny Rogers was the best FA acquisition by any team? Frank Thomas is laughing mightily . . .

59. Larry Mahnken Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:10 PM (#2201277)

Somehow I doubt that, as Joe Morgan said, the Tigers offense is almost as good as the Yankees. I mean...I guess it could depend on your definition of almost.

Thom Brennaman said it's arguably as good as the Yankees'.

60. NJ in DC loathes his classmates and the law Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:11 PM (#2201281)

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

61. cic Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:12 PM (#2201282)

so clutch.

62. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:12 PM (#2201283)

DErek JEter

Clap, clap, clap-clap-clap

63. The Milton Bradley Effect (Voxter) Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:12 PM (#2201284)

Kenny Rogers cannot throw that pitch to Derek Jeter and expect to get away with it. He can't throw that pitch to anybody in this lineup and expect to get away with it.

Ugh.

64. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:14 PM (#2201286)

If Kenny Rodgers throws 91mph, I'm a goy.

65. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:14 PM (#2201287)

Abreu has such great plate discipline. Love him as a hitter.

66. schuey Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:15 PM (#2201288)

This is the match up I have been waiting for.. A Rod vs Rogers in the post season.

67. The Milton Bradley Effect (Voxter) Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:15 PM (#2201289)

I'm beginning to worry that one or both of these men in the broadcast booth may have had a stroke that has gone undetected.

Granderson is a center fielder for real, or at least it looks that way.

68. NJ in DC loathes his classmates and the law Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:16 PM (#2201290)

Granderson covers a lot of ground in CF it seems like. He strikes me as a poor man's version of a dark skinned Grady Sizemore.

69. cic Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:16 PM (#2201291)

worst at-bat of the inning!

70. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:16 PM (#2201292)

That was the swing of an over anxious hitter -- and the pitch of a pitcher taking advantage of it.

71. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:17 PM (#2201293)

STOP STARING AT STRIKE 1 DOWN THE MIDDLE YOU IDIOT. THE SCOUTING REPORTS SAY YOU WONT SWING. THEY'RE THROWING YOU MEAT FIRST PITCH, EVERY TIME. ANYONE WOULD LOOK BAD HITTING FROM 0-1 IN THE COUNT EVERY ####### TIME. SWING, YOU PURPLE-LIPPED PIECE OF ####, SWING!

72. Bob "Jugement" Dernier Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:17 PM (#2201294)

Mr. Steinbrenner's not gonna like that, Little Alex.

73. The Milton Bradley Effect (Voxter) Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:18 PM (#2201296)

I hate these Monday Night Football commercials so much.

74. schuey Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:18 PM (#2201297)

Yup, A Rod is worse. Torre made a mistake in not starting Cairo at third. Should Derek Jeter pull this series out, the Yankees should add Nick Green to
ALCS roster and de-activate Rodriguez.

75. Srul Itza Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:18 PM (#2201298)

ONe more crummy at bat for Choke-Rod.

This will not end well.

76. Repoz Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:18 PM (#2201299)

Joe Morgan has now pronounced Granderson as Gunderson, Gerdenson, and Smith so far.

77. Captain Supporter Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:19 PM (#2201300)

He is my single least favorite Yankee of all time. You can take his goddamm OPS and feed my dog with it.

78. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:19 PM (#2201301)

I am so conflicted. Rooting for Kenny Rogers is very hard.

79. cic Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:19 PM (#2201302)

jesus here we go

80. NJ in DC loathes his classmates and the law Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:20 PM (#2201303)

And so it begins...

81. The Milton Bradley Effect (Voxter) Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:20 PM (#2201304)

That ball bounced very very high.

82. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:20 PM (#2201305)

Johnson was just clocked at 95...given that Rodgers was clocked at 91, I'm going to guess the gun is about 3mph too hot.

83. Cutter Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:21 PM (#2201306)

A-Rod doing his thing and Randy doing his......

84. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:21 PM (#2201307)

Ah nice 1-0 slider from Johnson. There's hope yet.

85. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:21 PM (#2201308)

Rooting for Kenny Rogers is very hard.

Do what I'm doing. Pretend it's 1987, and it's a different ex-Met out there: Walt Terrell.

86. The Milton Bradley Effect (Voxter) Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:22 PM (#2201309)

Johnson was just clocked at 95...given that Rodgers was clocked at 91, I'm going to guess the gun is about 3mph too hot.

At least. The one in Oakland had Brad Radke hitting 90 in the first inning, which is just not physically possible for him.

87. Srul Itza Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:22 PM (#2201311)

Detroit gets 3 runs minimum this inning.

88. Run Joe Run (Illonardo) Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:23 PM (#2201312)

Johnson has a bad back, you would think Posada would make more of an effort to reach Johnson rather than have him have to bend over to catch the throw backs......

89. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:23 PM (#2201313)

Mmmm...that flyout was Comericalicious.

90. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:23 PM (#2201314)

Amped up gun or not, he's got good stuff. Sharp and good velocity.

91. The Milton Bradley Effect (Voxter) Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:24 PM (#2201315)

Gosh, did Marcus Thames homer against Randy Johnson in his first at bat? Why didn't someone tell me?!

92. Repoz Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:24 PM (#2201316)

Has Jeter taken the field yet?

93. NJ in DC loathes his classmates and the law Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:24 PM (#2201317)

Randy went for the early HR there, but the ballpark stopped him.

94. Run Joe Run (Illonardo) Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:25 PM (#2201318)

Sit down Thames

95. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:26 PM (#2201320)

NOT Pasta Diving Jeter!! Nice play by the old guy . . . .

96. The Milton Bradley Effect (Voxter) Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:26 PM (#2201321)

You know what? I really needed to see that replay again instead of the first pitch of this at-bat. Have I told you guys about my conspiracy theory about ESPN, FOX, and football?

Time for beer.

97. Pastor Toastman (PH) Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:26 PM (#2201322)

NOT past a diving Jeter.

98. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:26 PM (#2201323)

Not a chance Johnson is consistently throwing 98.

Diving Jeter...fist pump!

99. Srul Itza Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:27 PM (#2201324)

I do not hate A-Rod.

I hate Randy Johnson. I knew the Yankees had made a terrible mistake by acquiring his moldering corpse. Now, if they got him as a 4th starter, at $4 mill for one year, I could live with it.

But 4 years at 16 million per. Gack.

The fact that Yankees managed to not lose 17 games that he started this year is a testament to the power of that line up.

100. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:27 PM (#2201325)

Gosh, did Marcus Thames homer against Randy Johnson in his first at bat? Why didn't someone tell me?!

I've told this story a thousand times, but it's always worth retelling. Once a year, I get to sit in awesome seats at the Stadium, 4 rows behind the Yankee dugout. I was in those seats for that game, and when Thames hit the homer off that first pitch, you could SEE that his eyes were closed...me and my buddies were laughing about it, and when Thames touched home and made his way back to the Yankee dugout, Jeter comes out and says, "You lucky sonofabitch, you hit that with your eyes closed!" and you could hear the whole team cracking up. It was pretty sweet.

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