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Monday, May 29, 2006

ARI (29-20) at NYM (30-19) - 7:10 PM EDT

ARI: Vargas (5-2, 4.93 ERA)
NYM: Trachsel (2-4, 4.99 ERA)

Nothing gets you ready for the mundanities of work like watching a four-hour long Steve Trachsel start.

Sean McNally Posted: May 29, 2006 at 12:31 PM | 519 comment(s)
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1. Joshemy Posted: May 29, 2006 at 01:13 PM (#2042300)

I wish this was a day game so I could see it.

2. shoewizard Posted: May 29, 2006 at 01:47 PM (#2042352)

I got news for you...Vargas is just as slow as Trachsel.....really, I'm not kidding you.

When he gets men on base...the game comes to a screeching halt. He looks in, look at runner....looks in....looks at runner......brings hands to set position......looks in....looks at runner.......steps off back of mound......repeat process.

Everyones worst nightmare will be if they are both allowing alot of baserunners, but working out of the jams....and they both go about 6 innings. The freakin game will take forever.

At least they are in the East time zone....so I have a chance to get to bed before midnight here in Arizona ;)

3. Rob Base Posted: May 29, 2006 at 06:19 PM (#2042644)

LevsKKKi hasn't been around much lately. Vanquished?

4. Sam M. Posted: May 29, 2006 at 06:24 PM (#2042647)

Not sure why, exactly, but I'm actually expecting a decent outing out of Sir Speedy (Mets' Edition) tonight.

Has anyone noticed Beltran's now got the 5th highest OPS in the NL, highlighted by his sporty little .622 SLG? Not bad for a bust of a signing, eh?

5. Rob Base Posted: May 29, 2006 at 06:27 PM (#2042650)

Has anyone noticed Beltran's now got the 5th highest OPS in the NL, highlighted by his sporty little .622 SLG? Not bad for a bust of a signing, eh?

Probably moves up to 4th if you use OPS+. Ensberg is just .001 ahead.

6. Baseballing powerhouse Crispix Attacks Posted: May 29, 2006 at 06:40 PM (#2042661)

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2006/05/zito_on_mets_40.html

7. Rob Base Posted: May 29, 2006 at 06:48 PM (#2042666)

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2006/05/zito_on_mets_40.html

Funny. Unless it happens.

8. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: May 29, 2006 at 06:48 PM (#2042667)

God, I went to Macy's to buy a suit today and when I'm getting ready to pay, the cashier asks me, "Getting ready for prom, eh?" He killed my game right then and there.

9. Rob Base Posted: May 29, 2006 at 06:49 PM (#2042668)

God, I went to Macy's to buy a suit today and when I'm getting ready to pay, the cashier asks me, "Getting ready for prom, eh?" He killed my game right then and there.

pwn3d

10. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 29, 2006 at 06:50 PM (#2042669)

Beltran and Wright are 8th and 9th, respectively, in the NL in EQA.

Adding in defense, Beltran is probably the third most valuable player in the NL so far.

11. Sam M. Posted: May 29, 2006 at 06:51 PM (#2042670)

Well, Soler's name is back there now. And while I certainly wouldn't mind Soler for Zito (duh), if it's Milledge and Soler, I'd lead the lynch mob with pitchforks and torches in hand to string Omar and Jeff Wilpon up from the highest light tower at Shea.

Which syllable of un-touch-a-ble don't these rumor mongers understand?

12. Rob Base Posted: May 29, 2006 at 06:54 PM (#2042673)

Was Milledge on the 40-man yet?

13. Sam M. Posted: May 29, 2006 at 06:55 PM (#2042674)

"Getting ready for prom, eh?" He killed my game right then and there.

I'd kill for a cashier to think I was getting ready for prom. Of course, how many blind cashiers can you really hope to run into in a lifetime, right?

14. Sam M. Posted: May 29, 2006 at 06:56 PM (#2042677)

Milledge is not on the 40-man, no.

15. Rob Base Posted: May 29, 2006 at 06:57 PM (#2042679)

Good, cause he's not there now.

16. Rob Base Posted: May 29, 2006 at 06:58 PM (#2042680)

Braves lost today. That's good.

17. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: May 29, 2006 at 06:59 PM (#2042682)

I'd kill for a cashier to think I was getting ready for prom.

What if instead of looking young, he thought you looked like a pedophile?

Milledge has never been added to the Mets' 40 man.

18. Rob Base Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:00 PM (#2042683)

David Wright is hitting .333. That is also good.

19. shoewizard Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:01 PM (#2042684)

NLDS preview this week?

20. Baseballing powerhouse Crispix Attacks Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:01 PM (#2042685)

Watch out NL East, Mike Lieberthal is off the DL.

21. Rob Base Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:03 PM (#2042686)

NLDS preview this week?

Nah, I don't think the Giants will win. Probably LA.

22. shoewizard Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:05 PM (#2042691)

Nah, I don't think the ~~Giants~~Phillies will win. Probably LAAtlanta.

Fixed

23. Sam M. Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:06 PM (#2042694)

What if instead of looking young, he thought you looked like a pedophile?

That would be bad. I suppose I would be able to tell the difference depending on how he asked the question, "Getting ready for prom, eh?" with a smile or with a nasty look.

NLDS preview this week?

If the Mets are there, it would suit me just fine. Whom-the heck-ever. But I'm not sure I could really stand the Levski/Base chatter unless they both promised to be on their best behavior. Maybe not even then.

24. shoewizard Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:06 PM (#2042695)

25-30 minute rain delay.

25. Rob Base Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:07 PM (#2042696)

If the Mets are there, it would suit me just fine. Whom-the heck-ever. But I'm not sure I could really stand the Levski/Base chatter unless they both promised to be on their best behavior. Maybe not even then.

This is my best behavior.

26. shoewizard Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:08 PM (#2042697)

But I'm not sure I could really stand the Levski/Base chatter unless they both promised to be on their best behavior. Maybe not even then.

I don't think either of them have a best behavior switch when the other is in the room.

27. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:08 PM (#2042698)

Minor league update:

Milledge today: 3-6 with a 2B. He's hitting .291/.424/.467

MacLean today: 7 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 1 HR, 4/1 K/BB. He's got a 1.93 ERA and 24/9 K/BB in 32.2 innings.

Pelfrey yesterday: 6 IP, 6 H, 1 ER, 1 HR, 5/1 K/BB. He's got a 3.49 ERA and 30/13 K/BB in 28 innings.

28. Sam M. Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:08 PM (#2042699)

This is my best behavior.

My point exactly. And Levski's not even here to bring out the worst in you.

29. Rob Base Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:09 PM (#2042702)

My point exactly. And Levski's not even here to bring out the worst in you.

You're no fun, Professor Getalong.

30. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:11 PM (#2042707)

Uh, that's MacLane, not MacLean.

31. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:11 PM (#2042710)

I'm with Sam. I just want to get to the playoffs.

32. shoewizard Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:12 PM (#2042711)

Anyway....seriously, if the season ended today, and all that crap, these two teams would be facing off in the NLDS.

Interesting matchup of teams.

D Backs have scored more runs...but of course play in a hitters park. Mets have a slightly better team Eqa, .266-.262

D Backs starting pitching has actually been very good lately. The Mets lead the NL in innings by bullpen, and Inn per game by bullpen, (over 3.5 IP per game by pen) This was also a major issue for the D backs until a recent stretch of 8 straight quality starts.

Man, would I love to be in NY for Wednesdays Webb/Martinez matchup.

33. Sam M. Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:13 PM (#2042712)

So why is it that my desktop computer SAYS that it is connected to, and receiving, the signal from my wireless network, and yet will not connect to the internet, even though my laptop is getting the exact same signal from the same network, and IS connecting just fine? I've tried everything I can think of, but I cannot restore the connection. Any ideas?

34. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:14 PM (#2042714)

Oh great. A delay. The perfect excuse for Trachsel to suck yet again today. First it was the umpire, then the back, now the rain. I wonder what he'll use next.

35. Sam M. Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:15 PM (#2042715)

You're no fun, Professor Getalong.

So I've been told. But usually by students who use a considerably nastier title. Something along the lines of "Dean RuinedMyLife." Join the club, my friend.

36. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:17 PM (#2042719)

Have you tried clicking on "repair" on network connections? Or disabling, waiting and then enabling you connection? Those two usually do the trick.

37. shoewizard Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:17 PM (#2042720)

Sam, try shutting off both computers AND your wireless modem. Then turn the modem back on and then reboot both computers.

I had the exact same problem a while back, and thats what I ended up having to do.

38. Banta Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:18 PM (#2042722)

God, I went to Macy's to buy a suit today and when I'm getting ready to pay, the cashier asks me, "Getting ready for prom, eh?" He killed my game right then and there.

Couple years ago, on Halloween, I was in a costume shop, buying a President's mask, because my friends and I were going out to bars as the characters in Point Break. As I was buying my mask, the cashier says "Going for a President's theme, huh? I already like your hat." Thing was, my hat was a hat that I wear all the time. It would have been fashionable too if it was still the 1950s.

Not that I needed the cashier to tell me that I'm a weirdo. I already know. Plus, the comment didn't make any sense, since I was buying a Reagan mask. I don't remember Reagan being known for his hats.

39. shoewizard Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:21 PM (#2042726)

D Backs hitters splits vs. right handed pitchers

C. Counsell ss .304 / .350 /.409
E. Byrnes cf .286 / .362 /.488
C. Tracy 3b .297 / .356 /.517
L. Gonzalez lf .321 / .397 /.545
C. Jackson 1b .321 / .404 / .526
S. Green rf .342 /.390 / .412
J. Estrada c .327 / .365 /.558
O. Hudson 2b .214 /.287 /.256

Check out those OBP's. No super high slugging percentages, but except for Hudson, every guy in the lineup has been a very tough out vs. righties. And Hudson is "heating up" lately. Eric Byrnes overachieving sure has helped, but I think even Rob Base would admit Josh Byrnes has done a pretty darn good job of putting together a good lineup on the cheap without any long term commitments.

40. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:23 PM (#2042730)

7:45 start.

41. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:25 PM (#2042732)

Anyway, did you guys see Ronaldo rejected a $120MM offer from the MLS? That's too bad. I wish we could have gotten rid of him and maybe acquired future World Cup break-out star and MVP Carlos Tevez in his place. Think the Red Bulls would be interested in Robinho? He'd fit in nicely with all those losers playing for the Metrostars.

42. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:28 PM (#2042736)

did you guys see Ronaldo rejected a $120MM offer from the MLS?

Is Juan Gonzalez his agent?

43. Rob Base Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:39 PM (#2042750)

I think even Rob Base would admit Josh Byrnes has done a pretty darn good job of putting together a good lineup on the cheap without any long term commitments.

Things have gone pretty well, but as you pointed out yesterday, there is a good amount of overachieving in that lineup. I just don't see how it can make up for the non-Webb pitching staff. But, I've been wrong before.

44. Rob Base Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:40 PM (#2042751)

Edgardo Alfonzo is in the on-deck circle for the Blue Jays.

45. Rob Base Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:43 PM (#2042754)

Man, even in Skydome somebody is yelling "Youk!".

46. Rob Base Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:46 PM (#2042761)

And, it's a ### nipply tonight, don't you think Ms. Styles?

47. Sam M. Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:47 PM (#2042763)

Anyway, did you guys see Ronaldo rejected a $120MM offer from the MLS?

What a stupid offer.

48. Banta Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:47 PM (#2042764)

I'd still punch Julia Stiles in the face. But now knowing she's a Met fan, I wouldn't punch as hard.

49. shoewizard Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:47 PM (#2042765)

Things have gone pretty well, but as you pointed out yesterday, there is a good amount of overachieving in that lineup. I just don't see how it can make up for the non-Webb pitching staff. But, I've been wrong before.

No doubt...the offense has played over their heads....but then again, maybe I was wrong about that.

I think the Dodgers are better, and better positioned to win the NL West. But....they have a few key guys that have very long and ugly injury histories. So nobody can pencil them in just yet. However their team eqa is .274, and they have some decent pitching and are getting Gagne back this week. PLus they have the depth to deal for another pitcher.

50. Rob Base Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:49 PM (#2042769)

How come Valentin, and not Fonzie, is on this team?

51. Sam M. Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:51 PM (#2042773)

I'd say the Diamondbacks are "better positioned to win the NL West," Shoewizard, for one key reason. They have awesome depth from which to deal, should they choose to do it, with all that young talent. This organization can add tremendous talent down the stretch if this year looks like it's theirs for the taking. Not saying they SHOULD, but they have the option, probably more than any other team in baseball.

52. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:52 PM (#2042776)

How come Valentin, and not Fonzie, is on this team?

Because Fonzie, sadly, is doner than 3-month old burnt toast, while Valentin at least seems to be able to move around OK despite the fork hanging out of his back?

53. Banta Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:52 PM (#2042777)

Uh oh.

54. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:53 PM (#2042778)

When did Eric Byrnes become good?

55. Bob Koo Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:53 PM (#2042779)

You've got to be kidding me. That's a home run?

56. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:53 PM (#2042780)

Ugh, Trax.... I thought Byrnes was supposed to stink?

57. Rob Base Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:53 PM (#2042781)

Trachsel is pretty stinky.

58. Sam M. Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:53 PM (#2042784)

How the heck did he go down and get that? That wasn't a bad pitch at all . . . . Solo homer won't kill you, though. We can live with that.

59. shoewizard Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:54 PM (#2042783)

I am enjoying Eric Byrnes over achieving

60. Bob Koo Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:54 PM (#2042785)

I think Trachsel has the same moxie and know-how to pitch; it's just that his stuff is in serious decline from a couple years ago.

61. Sam M. Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:55 PM (#2042789)

The pitch to Tracy, OTOH, was a meatball. Ugh.

62. Rob Base Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:55 PM (#2042790)

Maybe Hernandez should try to take a shower with LuGon.

63. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:55 PM (#2042791)

What a cheap HR. Trachsel's splitter hasn't been any good in a while.

64. shoewizard Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:56 PM (#2042794)

Gonzo had 4 homers vs. trachsel in 27 at bats going into today. So that walk may not be the worst result.

65. Sam M. Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:57 PM (#2042798)

Here we go with #### Trachsel. Fidgeting, getting behind, annoying. Just BS pitching. Put the homer behind you, turdhead, and pitch.

66. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:57 PM (#2042799)

I hate how Gary Cohen makes excuses for guys he likes.

67. shoewizard Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:58 PM (#2042803)

That second strike to Jackson look low and outside to me

He hasn't been getting calls lately because he is getting a rep for ######## about calls too much. Word is getting around to the umps. I wish he would stop ########, otherwise he is going to rob himself of his biggest asset.,

68. Sam M. Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:59 PM (#2042807)

I don't think Cohen's making excuses for Trachsel. I think he's KNOCKING Trachsel for being Mr. Thin Skin and letting things get to him.

Can I just point out that Connor Jackson raises the attractiveness quotient on the Diamondbacks. A lot.

69. shoewizard Posted: May 29, 2006 at 07:59 PM (#2042809)

Uh......caught by the cyber nanny. Of course it was "complaining"

70. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:00 PM (#2042814)

Sit, Green!

71. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:01 PM (#2042815)

That looked like a ball, but I'll take it.

72. Bob Koo Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:01 PM (#2042816)

The 0-1 pitch to Jackson was right down the middle. It's just that Trachsel badly missed his spot on the inside corner.

That third strike to Green, though, was a total gift.

73. Banta Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:01 PM (#2042818)

Pretty large strikezone, it looks like.

74. Sam M. Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:01 PM (#2042819)

Hey, Trachsel pulled a Bannister for us -- for once. Good job!

75. shoewizard Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:02 PM (#2042822)

Is Shea a Questec park?

76. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:03 PM (#2042823)

I can't stand watching Trachsel pitch. It'd be one thing if he were getting results, but aside from a start or two, he has sucked all year long.

77. Sam M. Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:03 PM (#2042825)

So the British papers are saying Milan wants Van Nistelrooy to replace Shevchenko, OFF. Whaddya think?

78. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:04 PM (#2042828)

15 walks in 42 innings is "outstanding"? Really Keith?

79. Raskolnikov Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:04 PM (#2042829)

So I see that Thome has reached 20 already. Glad to see that in choosing between their 1Bmen, the Phils made the right choice yet again.

80. shoewizard Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:05 PM (#2042831)

Howard has 17.

They DID make the right choice.

81. Bob Koo Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:06 PM (#2042833)

Nice job going the other way there by Lo Duca.

82. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:06 PM (#2042834)

Glad to see that in choosing between their 1Bmen, the Phils made the right choice yet again.

Uh, Howard is pretty good and MUCH cheaper.

83. Sam M. Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:06 PM (#2042835)

Glad to see that in choosing between their 1Bmen, the Phils made the right choice yet again.

Ryan Howard's defense is the worst I think I've ever seen from a "real" first baseman. Man, he's awful. But the guy can hit. I'm not sure the Phillies should regret that choice.

84. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:07 PM (#2042836)

So the British papers are saying Milan wants Van Nistelrooy to replace Shevchenko, OFF. Whaddya think?

I've always hated Ruud, but he's a good player.

85. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:07 PM (#2042838)

Lo Duca does something productive.

86. Raskolnikov Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:07 PM (#2042839)

Shoewizard, maybe. But Thome at his best is one of the best hitters in the game. Howard is not. You're right in the long run, but I still enjoy poking fun at the Phils.

87. Raskolnikov Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:10 PM (#2042847)

Delgado's BA sure came down in a hurry.

88. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:11 PM (#2042850)

Delgado has been in a deep slump. I never knew this guy would go on those.

89. Sam M. Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:12 PM (#2042852)

Delgado's BA sure came down in a hurry.

So did Wright's, for a while. But it's headed North again. I ain't worried about Carlos # 2.

90. shoewizard Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:12 PM (#2042853)

Howard is hitting .307 and has 44 RBI to go with those 17 homers.

He is making 355,000 and won't be a free agent for 5 more years.

Thome's contract will pay him 06:$12.5M, 07:$14M, 08:$14M, 09:$13M ($3M buyout)
Thats 53 million. Thats alot of coin.

So all that money saved can go elsewhere, and the Phillies will get similar production. I can't see, how on any level, this is considered a bad move for the Phillies.

91. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:13 PM (#2042856)

Who will end the season with a higher OPS, Beltran or Wright?

92. Sam M. Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:14 PM (#2042861)

Who will end the season with a higher OPS, Beltran or Wright?

Wright: 1.003
Beltran: .887

WAG.

93. Raskolnikov Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:14 PM (#2042862)

I know this is not the time to bring this up - but Mr. Overbay's OPS over in Toronto is a healthy .885. I'm just sayin'

94. Rob Base Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:15 PM (#2042865)

Who will end the season with a higher OPS, Beltran or Wright?

Wright, but it'll be close.

95. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:16 PM (#2042868)

I went to see Nacho Libre a month or two ago. Pretty funny movie.

96. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:16 PM (#2042869)

Who will end the season with a higher OPS, Beltran or Wright?

Delgado.

97. Raskolnikov Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:18 PM (#2042874)

all that money saved can go elsewhere, and the Phillies will get similar production.

You're right. But the way things look now, the Phils aren't getting similar production. I'm just glad to see Thome (and Nomar) back in form. He and Edgar were two of my fav hitters to watch in terms of approach to hitting.

98. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:18 PM (#2042875)

Valentin showing the range! Move over O-Dawg, there's a new gold glover in the NL!

99. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:19 PM (#2042876)

Rask, would you rather the Mets had Overbay instead of Delgado? Because if you are,that's just wrong.

100. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 29, 2006 at 08:20 PM (#2042880)

Damn, just foul.

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