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Friday, June 16, 2006
BAL (30-38) at NYM (40-23) - 7:10 p.m. EDT
BAL: E. Bedard (5-6, 5.69 ERA)
NYM: A. Soler (2-1, 3.33 ERA)
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I'm not watching the game, but I'd guess something like "Why the fark wasn't that a strike to Delgado or Wright?"
He's supposed to have an above-average fastball, which I take to mean 92-93 on the consensus gun. When I saw him at SafeCo his top pitch was 95.
As I type that, Wright gets a hit.
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of another team.
And then HEILMAN.
I don't care how many you just won, this is embarassing baseball. And once again, WHY REMOVE SOLER? He'd retired 12 in a row and was getting sharper.
Well, Melvin Mora does rule though.
The rotation got sorted out. Kind of hard to argue for it when everyone is performing. I still say that Heilman in the rotation is a better option than Lima.
That may be so, but I'll Heilman going forward over Lima.
Yeah. I'd say a dancing monkey with rabies is probably a better option to start than Lima as well. Hell, I suppose I'd even settle for a monkey that didn't know any dance moves. But the rabies is neccesary. Don't ask why.
I don't know if I'd go that far, but Milledge definitely seems more hype than performance at this point. I recall someone saying that he could be the next Juan Encarncion (I don't know how to spell his last name exactly)... that's definitely possible. I don't know if I'd trade him for Willis exactly, but I really wouldn't mind him going in a trade. I mean, yeah, he could be awesome someday, but he definitely has some issues to work through and how hard is to find productive corner outfielders? If he was a centerfielder, it would almost be a different story, but the fact is, as a right or left fielder, he's just not as valuable.
I'm not saying that I want the Mets to trade him... I'm just saying I wouldn't be upset if they did, provided it was a pretty good deal, of course.
No. I've always been very skeptical of Milledge. Jose Reyes hit more HR's in the high minors, as did Melky Cabrera. Very flawed player. We need a pitcher. It's a trade I make 100 times out of 100.
I just can't take a low-OBP, low-contact, low-AVG, low-SLG, bad baserunning, poor pitch recognizing, underperforming, underachieving attitude case for the next three years. Spare me, please. We have Wright and Reyes. I don't need another superstar homegrown player, I need another good homegrown player. I want guarantees at this point, not potential. I'd rather have a sure-fire solid player than a potential flameout. Give me Jeff Francoeur. Give me Jeremy Hermida. I don't need this 5-tool BS. Alex Ochoa was 5-tools. All that means to me is raw, unrefined, potential bust.
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A chance to put the Phillies 10.5 back and the Braves 14 back. Great effort tonight!
K-Rod strikes out again. That made me smile a little.
It's Henry Owens time.
They've raised my standards thanks to the last roadtrip! I can't help but be critical!
Oh No! A 21 year old is immature and isn't hitting like a Hall-of-Famer in his first 100 ABs at the Major League level. Let's trade him immediately!!!!!
With the comments regarding Milledge, glad to see that Mets fans aren't being impatient and overreacting.
Heilman needs to work out some kinks. In his proper form, I still think he's our 4th best starter on the major league level.
LoDuca is starting to swoon. Another encouraging outing from Soler, I think he's earned the no.3 slot.
I'm pretty sure from Emad's comments that he wasn't judging Milledge on his major league time, but rather a culmination of what he's done up to now, minor and majors. And although results have been encouraging, this year especially, Milledge hasn't put up the numbers to put him into the same category of performance of Wright and Kazmir. Therefore, I feel that trading him for a proven commodity wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, a point of view that I feel that many on this site are heavily against.
Basically, I just wouldn't call him untouchable. In the right deal, I'd send him packing.
Kazmir is a pitcher, falls under TINSTAAPP, and thus is hard to compare with Milledge.
Most prospects start off at any new level like Milledge. Even Wright displayed less than his usual patience in his MLB season (14 BB in 263 AB). They learn, adjust, and improve drastically, which in my eyes is one of the great rewards of being a fan who follows his team day to day, year to year. A prospect who seems to "get it" right away is a rare occurrence.
The Mets could trade him for a proven commodity, but I only see that as a reasonable path if it would bolster this team for the next 5 years. For this year, it's evident the Mets are strong enough to make the playoffs. The team likely has even better days ahead, and I see Milledge being a significant part of that bright future.
And by "Mets fans" you mean one Met fan.
Kazmir is a pitcher, falls under TINSTAAPP
That's not true. The term applies to *pitchers* ot just prospects. Since Peterson was wrong and Kazmir was ready for the majors *at the time of the trade*, he was no longer a prospect.
Well, okay, my intent was more to point out that the given stance was a bit extreme, rather than direct it at anyone. Basically, to say that I saw Milledge as a cornerstone after his 2-4 3B/HR game, and my thoughts about him haven't changed since this slump.
Yes, but at the time of the trade, none of us knew that Kazmir was ready. He was someone who at 20 was blowing AA hitters away in his first go-around. I would say that, at the time, Kazmir fit precisely under the umbrella term of pitching prospect, one of the most promising ones in baseball.
I'm not arguing that pitching prospects are less valuable or making a detailed analysis of the validity of TINSTAAPP. Rather I'm arguing that since young pitchers and young hitters go through such different development patterns, it's difficult to match the two. Is Milledge at the same level of promise at Kazmir 2004? Hard to say. Even if so, then the next issue is can we make much a comment about Milledge based on a comparison with a pitching prospect? Much easier to compare Milledge and Wright.
A Met fan who will be proven correct as time moves on.
However, my attitude at the time was "instead of trading, call him up". trading him was MUCH MUCH dumber than trading Milledge now. Milledge doesn't have the size to be a super stud (IMO).
Milledge is a profoundly flawed player. Kazmir's main flaw was/is control, something all young players struggle with.
Milo hit .330 at AA and everyone is annointing him as a superstar. He doesn't even make contact enough to hit .280 in the bigs. So, i'll leave y'all to your illusions.
As soon as Kazmir wins the Cy, that trade becomes the worst in Mets history.
Milo's batting stance leaves him with holes. He pulls off breaking pitches on the outer third and his plate coverage needs to improve. I have no doubts about his eye, only his ability to make sufficient, consistent, contact.
He's about 5'10-5'11. Showed very little power in the minors. I think he's overrated as a prospect and has little chance of achieving his potential. Corner OFers are easy to find. If a young, stud, pitcher is made available, Milo's a goner. I'll say this... if the D-Train is on the market, so is Lastings. I'll take my chances on Dontrelle blowing out an elbow because pitching is what wins, not tweener OF prospects.
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