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Wednesday, May 31, 2006

BOS (30-20) at TOR (29-22) - 7:07 p.m. EDT

BOS: D. Pauley (major-league debut)
TOR: T. Lilly (5-4, 4.00 ERA)

The Pantload heads back to the DL.

VG Posted: May 31, 2006 at 12:28 PM | 312 comment(s)
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1. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 31, 2006 at 01:59 PM (#2045583)

Who the hell is David Pauley?

2. mathesond Posted: May 31, 2006 at 02:36 PM (#2045638)

If Ted the Tease is Ted the Good tonight, the Jays may well get their first sweep of the season.

Of course, if Vernon treats Pauley as well as he does Beckett, it may not matter

3. tfbg9 Posted: May 31, 2006 at 02:54 PM (#2045662)

Wily Mo had wrist surgery...4 to 6 weeks? ####

4. tfbg9 Posted: May 31, 2006 at 03:10 PM (#2045688)

Correction-he is to have it done tomorrow.

5. Hungry Hungry Hipolito Pichardo Posted: May 31, 2006 at 03:48 PM (#2045733)

6 weeks is a good guess, with the presumption that they will take his recovery slowly to ensure full healing. I had (actually, have) this problem stemming from a soccer injury a few years ago and it's never been right -- kills me most times I play golf.

6. badpunstrkagain Posted: May 31, 2006 at 03:58 PM (#2045750)

Lilly has pretty much owned the Red Sox his last 5 or 6 starts. It's funny how he lives and dies by that curveball, but he always pitches his best against the Sox...Is Pauley a lefty or a righty?

7. Hungry Hungry Hipolito Pichardo Posted: May 31, 2006 at 04:12 PM (#2045763)

Pauley's a righty. Blue Jays mash lefties, which made him a better risk then DiNardo, Alvarez, or Lester in the short run.

IIRC - Alvarez is ineligible for a recall anyway, as he was only optioned to AAA 8 or 9 days ago.

8. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: May 31, 2006 at 04:21 PM (#2045773)

IIRC - Alvarez is ineligible for a recall anyway, as he was only optioned to AAA 8 or 9 days ago.

He could have come back up before ten days if he were replacing somebody who went to the DL.

9. Hungry Hungry Hipolito Pichardo Posted: May 31, 2006 at 04:27 PM (#2045783)

He could have come back up before ten days if he were replacing somebody who went to the DL.

I stand corrected -- I was mentally responding to someone who suggested recalling Mohr for Harris with Wily Mo out. Clearly, though, that wasn't here.

10. Hungry Hungry Hipolito Pichardo Posted: May 31, 2006 at 05:24 PM (#2045843)

boston.com reports 6-8 weeks for Wily Mo. Mirabelli gets a start over Tek b/c of his 6 for 15, 3 homers history vs. Lilly. The Great Batting Order Watch takes a new twist, as Coco/Loretta slot 1/2, with Youk 5th behind Manny and ahead of Lowell. Still remains to be seen what Tito does vs. a righty. No real excitement from the Jays lineup -- unless you're waiting on the edge of your seat to see if Alfonso can crack the north side of .100 tonight. Tune in later.

Red Sox
1. Coco Crisp, CF
2. Mark Loretta, 2B
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Manny Ramirez, LF
5. Kevin Youkilis, 1B
6. Mike Lowell, 3B
7. Doug Mirabelli, C
8. Trot Nixon, RF
9. Alex Gonzalez, SS
-- David Pauley, SP

Blue Jays
1. Frank Catalonatto, LF
2. Greg Zaun, C
3. Alex Rios, CF
4. Troy Glaus, DH
5. Lyle Overbay, 1B
6. Shea Hillenbrand, 3B
7. Eric Hinske, RF
8. Aaron Hill, SS
9. Edgar Alfonso, 2B
-- Ted Lilly, SP

11. Hungry Hungry Hipolito Pichardo Posted: May 31, 2006 at 05:44 PM (#2045866)

Amend the above: No Vernon Wells in the Jays lineup, a thorough disappointment for Sox fans anywhere. I suppose he just hasn't been doing enough lately to keep his starting job.

12. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 31, 2006 at 05:44 PM (#2045868)

John "Way Back" Wasdin home run rate as a Red Sox: 1.43 hr/9.

Josh Beckett home run rate as a Red Sox: 1.83 hr/9.

This isn't anything against the Sox, I just enjoy seeing Josh Beckett get roughed up.

13. Hungry Hungry Hipolito Pichardo Posted: May 31, 2006 at 05:55 PM (#2045882)

Josh Beckett home run rate as a Red Sox: 1.83 hr/9.

And it's 1.27 hr/9 against teams hailing from the Continental U.S. While admittedly still not great, the 7 HR in 19 IP vs. the Jays skews things a bit.

And no, I'm not trying to draw any conclusions from the above data point, but the difference between his Jays and non-Jays performances have been stark.

14. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: May 31, 2006 at 06:00 PM (#2045887)

And it's 1.27 hr/9 against teams hailing from the Continental U.S. While admittedly still not great, the 7 HR in 19 IP vs. the Jays skews things a bit.

Just imagine what a team from Honolulu would do.

15. Sean McNally Posted: May 31, 2006 at 06:11 PM (#2045904)

This just in...

NEW YORK -- The New York Yankees and Major League Baseball announced today they planned to bring the greatest rivalry in sports on the road by playing one game out of each of the two remaining homestands against the Boston Red Sox to Pineapple Stadium in Honolulu, Hawaii.
"This is a great thing," Yankee owner George Steinbrenner said through spokesman Howard J. Rubenstein. "We know the fans in the Bronx are the greatest in the world, but we really want to spread the passion and excitement of these games across the country."
Rubenstein added that he believed that though the specific games had not been scheduled yet, he thought they would likely coincide with the pitching timetable of Boston righthander Josh Beckett.
MLB Commissioner Allan H. "Bud" Selig said as long as he got to cash a big check and use the games to convince Oakland, Milwaukee, Miami, Boston and Chicago they needed new stadiums or their teams would be moved, he would be pleased. -- Associated Press

16. kevin Posted: May 31, 2006 at 06:35 PM (#2045942)

Is that something out the "The Onion"?

17. Harmon Microbrew Posted: May 31, 2006 at 06:44 PM (#2045951)

Methinks it is a play on the "Continental U.S." remarks above

18. tfbg9 Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:13 PM (#2045984)

1-0. Papi.

19. You can't lose with Randy Winn, says Flynn Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:14 PM (#2045989)

Don't f*ck with Papi.

20. JB H Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:17 PM (#2045994)

This is going to be ugly

21. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:18 PM (#2045999)

####

my head is killing me

22. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:20 PM (#2046001)

i cant wait to see vernon wells at the plate, can't wait

23. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:23 PM (#2046005)

This could get ugly quickly

24. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:23 PM (#2046007)

DP - nice

25. JB H Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:24 PM (#2046009)

Pauley looked pretty good there. Everything was low in the zone.

26. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:26 PM (#2046016)

Pauley looked pretty good there. Everything was low in the zone.

That's what we used to say about Clement.

:)

27. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:32 PM (#2046029)

God Mirrabelli is awful this year.

####### lilly shits me to tears as well

28. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:35 PM (#2046039)

#######...

Chelsea signed ####### Shevchenko?

According to media reports, his American wife Kristen asked her husband to move to London as she would prefer their son Jordan to grow up in an English-speaking country.

The capture of the 29-year-old Ukraine captain is Chelsea's second coup of the close season, after the arrival of Germany skipper Michael Ballack on a free transfer from Bayern Munich.

Unbeatable.

Wok, if you read this...

I HATE YOUR ####### TEAM!!!!!!!!!!

29. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:36 PM (#2046043)

Good to see Hillenbrand went out of his way to avoid being hit. Only way he'll draw a walk

30. Psychedelic Red Pants Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:40 PM (#2046055)

That's what we used to say about Clement.

I'd be overjoyed if Pauley has Clement's career. He was a throw-in in the Dave Roberts/Jay Payton deal.

31. JB H Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:40 PM (#2046060)

Pauley is kind of a poor man's Jeremi Gonzalez

32. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:40 PM (#2046061)

Control seems to be an issue...

33. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:42 PM (#2046066)

Walking Alfonzo would be egregious.

34. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:42 PM (#2046067)

Throw a ####### strike, this guy is older than your ####### dad and sux mate

35. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:43 PM (#2046071)

The strike calls he gets are very generous as well.

36. Psychedelic Red Pants Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:43 PM (#2046073)

I like the movement on (what looks like) Pauley's sinker. He's not getting the low outside corner call, but that's not unexpected.

37. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:43 PM (#2046074)

The "mate" is what makes Coorey's rants so endearing.

38. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:44 PM (#2046075)

jesus , he walked him

39. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:45 PM (#2046078)

The "mate" is what makes Coorey's rants so endearing.

Piss off mate

:)

40. JB H Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:46 PM (#2046081)

I almost want to just take a nap and hope when I wake up there's some relievers available for tomorrow

41. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:47 PM (#2046085)

Gonzalez can field

42. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:48 PM (#2046088)

That wasn't very good, Cat.

43. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:48 PM (#2046089)

I almost want to just take a nap and hope when I wake up there's some relievers available for tomorrow

For an off day??

44. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:49 PM (#2046093)

Pauley already at 44 pitches and 6 baserunners through two innings. He'd better get it straightened out and quick.

45. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:51 PM (#2046100)

Pauley already at 44 pitches and 6 baserunners through two innings. He'd better get it straightened out and quick.

He ain't finding the zone in a hurry.

46. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:52 PM (#2046103)

Can't give up hits to the Sea Bass, T. Roosevelt.

47. JB H Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:52 PM (#2046104)

rlr, does it look like the Yankees will play today?

48. tfbg9 Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:53 PM (#2046105)

Pauley went to the wrong base, but Gonzie bailed him out of it. The kid is too nervous.

49. Bicycle RepairMan Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:53 PM (#2046107)

Just wanted to say,
I would really be interested in a smackdown steel cage match between Tina Cervasio and Erin Andrews
I would pay for that!

50. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:53 PM (#2046112)

rlr, does it look like the Yankees will play today?

I'm Gamedaying from work. Not sure what the radar in Detroit looks like. I hope they don't. The lineup today is horrendous.

51. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:54 PM (#2046114)

Loretta!!!

52. tfbg9 Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:54 PM (#2046116)

Loretta just simply crushed that ball-a no doubter!

53. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:58 PM (#2046125)

I'm Gamedaying from work. Not sure what the radar in Detroit looks like. I hope they don't. The lineup today is horrendous.

I'm sure they'll find a way to weasel out a win mate

54. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: May 31, 2006 at 07:58 PM (#2046127)

And that's why you don't give up hits to Sea Bass.

55. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:02 PM (#2046133)

I remember thinking a couple years ago that Rios would be really good. Last year, I doubted myself a bit. I guess you should stick with your initial instinct. He just looked like he knew what he was doing.

56. tfbg9 Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:03 PM (#2046137)

Pauley's pooping his pants out there. He has a very low AA walk rate.

57. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:03 PM (#2046139)

I guess the hypothetical betting man should have taken the over on this one.

58. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:03 PM (#2046140)

He just looked like he knew what he was doing.

One of the many reasons Lu married me

59. JB H Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:04 PM (#2046145)

If Pauley could learn to throw more than half his pitches for strikes, add a few MPH to his fastball and develop a strikeout pitch, I think the Sox would really have something

60. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:04 PM (#2046146)

Damnit Youks

61. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:04 PM (#2046147)

One of the many reasons Lu married me

Because Alexis Rios knew what he was doing and turned down your offer?

62. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:07 PM (#2046153)

He's dodging bullets so far.

63. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:07 PM (#2046154)

Because Alexis Rios knew what he was doing and turned down your offer?

64. Psychedelic Red Pants Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:07 PM (#2046156)

He's been pretty wild, but so far I like what Pauley's done, given the circumstances. Some seasoning in AAA after this and he may turn into a decent 4/5 guy. I didn't think he'd make it out of the first inning going into this game. His curveball looks pretty good and if he can command his fastball it looks like it has enough movement to be effective around 90.

Strike one is really important for a guy with his stuff, though. Starting 2-0 against these guys is hard to recover from when you don't have a pitch so good they couldn't hit it if they knew it was coming.

65. tfbg9 Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:08 PM (#2046160)

My least favorite part of tonight's game was the point where Pauley had walked two guys in a row on about 9 pitches, all fastballs and then went 1-0 to Hill (I think), and Mirabelli calls for a curve, and he hits him.

66. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:11 PM (#2046171)

It sux watching these gamed when they don't show the situation on the screen

67. kevin Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:14 PM (#2046179)

True, Phil.

68. kevin Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:15 PM (#2046180)

Youks!

69. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:15 PM (#2046183)

Youks at 5 >>>>>> Tek at 5

(Small Sample Size)

70. Psychedelic Red Pants Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:16 PM (#2046187)

The Red Sox don't even have to go to arb with Youkilis until after next year?

It's a joy to watch him bat.

71. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:17 PM (#2046193)

Thanks Ted

72. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:17 PM (#2046194)

Not very good, T. Roosevelt.

73. kevin Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:18 PM (#2046195)

Lilly's got nuthin' tonight.

74. kevin Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:19 PM (#2046197)

That wild pitch calls for a sip of Jameson's.

75. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:19 PM (#2046198)

Mirrabelli should not be allowed to swing here.

The curve ain't there among others

76. kevin Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:20 PM (#2046201)

He's missing by 2 feet on every pitch.

77. kevin Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:21 PM (#2046204)

This is a rare degree of wildness we're seeing here, folks.

78. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:24 PM (#2046214)

Maybe Lilly blew something in his elbow.

79. Psychedelic Red Pants Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:24 PM (#2046215)

Trot helps Lilly find his groove...

In some PA's it looks like a left-handed 12 year-old girl could strike Nixon out.

80. kevin Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:25 PM (#2046218)

Finally, Gonzalez takes on a close pitch.

81. tfbg9 Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:26 PM (#2046221)

Anybody else think Hale is too cautious?

82. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:27 PM (#2046222)

This inning when it is over, will confirm my hatred of ####### ted lilly

83. kevin Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:28 PM (#2046230)

Hard to tell. He might be.

It was a lot easier to spot Sveum's mistakes.

84. tfbg9 Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:28 PM (#2046233)

Just as soon as I say it, he sends a guy to get nailed at the plate. Good send, just good execution.

85. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:28 PM (#2046237)

Anybody else think Hale is too cautious?

No or Lowell is just ####### slow...

2 runs is better than none I guess.

86. kevin Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:29 PM (#2046239)

And just as I write that, Hale makes a whopper.

87. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:30 PM (#2046245)

That was not even close

88. kevin Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:31 PM (#2046247)

Pauley reminds me of Steve Crawford.

89. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:33 PM (#2046251)

Thanks Ump

90. tfbg9 Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:33 PM (#2046252)

With two out, I'm a big "send 'em and hope for the best" kind of guy.

91. chris p Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:34 PM (#2046254)

so pauley looks good?

92. Psychedelic Red Pants Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:34 PM (#2046255)

That two strike call (against Hill) is the call he wasn't getting in the second inning.

93. tfbg9 Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:35 PM (#2046260)

This ballpark is ugly. Also, it's tough to pick up ground balls on TV because the fake grass is too light in tone.

94. kevin Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:35 PM (#2046262)

I think he looks OK. He has a fastball that has nice left-to-right movement.

95. tfbg9 Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:36 PM (#2046264)

<blockquote>so pauley looks good?

Pauley looks nervous.

96. Psychedelic Red Pants Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:38 PM (#2046267)

so pauley looks good?

He shows promise. He has a couple pitches that could be effective if he commands them. It looks like a sharp curveball and a low-90's 2 seam fastball, but I don't have velocity readings on my mlb.tv broadcast. He has a changeup too, but I'm not sure I've seen one.

97. tfbg9 Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:38 PM (#2046268)

so pauley looks good?

He looks nervous, and here comes the old 2-0, 2 out 3 run bomb.

98. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:38 PM (#2046270)

Gregg Zaun is a pretty okay player, but he's not a handsome man.

99. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:40 PM (#2046277)

Ten baserunners (not including the error by Youkilis) in four innings usually result in more than two runs.

100. tfbg9 Posted: May 31, 2006 at 08:40 PM (#2046276)

Hah! Got him through the inning with the ol' blockquote reverso-jinxo!

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