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Thursday, July 03, 2008

Boston Red Sox (50-37) @ New York Yankees (45-40), Thursday, July 3, 2008, 7:05pm

BOS: Jon Lester (24, LHP, 6-3, 3.48)
NYY: Andy Pettitte (36, LHP, 9-5, 3.98)

The Primer Chimp Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:00 AM | 225 comment(s)
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101. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:03 PM (#2842513)

God damnit. This team is very good at hitting into those.

102. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:03 PM (#2842514)

UGGGHHHHH

103. Chip Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:05 PM (#2842517)

Love Youks taking only three pitches to make not just one but two outs, following the consecutive walks.

104. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:06 PM (#2842519)

Man, he gave up a hit to Melky?

105. ekogan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:06 PM (#2842520)

Sox are lucky Melky didn't get a 2b

106. ekogan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:07 PM (#2842521)

Damon's warning track power

107. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:07 PM (#2842522)

Wow, nice DP.

108. Chip Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:08 PM (#2842524)

That was a great double play.

Jeter really does suck this year, doesn't he?

109. ekogan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:12 PM (#2842533)

Crisp is rocking the Johnny Depp look with his chin growth
Guess he wants to be the worst pirate we've heard of

110. Chip Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:12 PM (#2842534)

Varitek staring down to Hale to see if there's a play on scares me, after his recent miserable failures at hit-and-run plays.

111. kevin Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:13 PM (#2842535)

No excuse there, giving Crisp such a jump.

112. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:14 PM (#2842536)

Varitek, you idiot. Pettitte is having control issues, you have a 3-1 count, and you lunge for that ####?

113. Chip Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:15 PM (#2842537)

No excuse there, giving Crisp such a jump.

As Remy said, it's just a straight guess against Pettitte's balk move - you go as soon as he lifts his leg, and take your chance that he's actually going home.

Weak productive out given the count.

114. Dan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:15 PM (#2842539)

What the #### are you swinging at that for on 3-1?

115. kevin Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:15 PM (#2842540)

Why did Tek do that? Wouldn't it be better if he got on base with no outs?

116. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:15 PM (#2842541)

nice swing ay ball 4 - jesus

117. Chip Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:15 PM (#2842544)

Hey, Lugo did something good!

118. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:15 PM (#2842545)

If Lugo didn't suck so bad, that would've been a HR. But I'll take the sac fly.

119. ekogan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:16 PM (#2842549)

Varitek, you idiot. Pettitte is having control issues, you have a 3-1 count, and you lunge for that ####?

But it was a productive out :)

120. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:16 PM (#2842550)

YES FOR LUGO

121. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:18 PM (#2842554)

I am so ####### sick of AFLAC commercials, ESPECIALLY this ####### Yogi Berra one.

122. ekogan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:18 PM (#2842556)

Ellsbury lunged out of zone too.
Patience is lacking today

123. ekogan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:19 PM (#2842559)

Ellsbury was fooled by Pettite's cutter twice

124. salajander Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:22 PM (#2842565)

Awful, awful, awful. Yanks should just forfeit the game.

125. Dan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:22 PM (#2842566)

Reaching out of the zone on two strikes is better than doing it on 3-1.

126. salajander Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:22 PM (#2842567)

I can't believe this team scored 9 runs in an inning last night. After 3.2 innings tonight that doesn't seem possible.

127. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:22 PM (#2842569)

Lester needs to start changing speeds, because the Yankees are starting to get aggressive.

128. Chip Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:23 PM (#2842570)

Lester certainly has settled down after the two walks leading off the game.

129. ekogan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:25 PM (#2842573)

Lester is really cruising
I'm glad he was never actually traded,
especially since he was mentioned in every potential big deal going back to the A-Rod saga

130. Chip Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:26 PM (#2842576)

I can't believe this team scored 9 runs in an inning last night. After 3.2 innings tonight that doesn't seem possible.

Probably won't get the chance tonight, either, to face the "free passes for everyone" pitching of Hansen and Delcarmen in the same inning.

131. Chip Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:27 PM (#2842579)

Pedroia, you're slow.

132. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:28 PM (#2842580)

That was excellently played by Abreu.

133. Chip Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:28 PM (#2842581)

Did Abreu think they moved the wall in front of the warning track or something?

134. ekogan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:28 PM (#2842582)

Drew one of the few Red Sox who can handle Pettite's cutter

135. kevin Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:29 PM (#2842585)

Nice route, Bobby.

136. konaforever Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:29 PM (#2842586)

Pettite has nothing tonight.

137. Chip Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:29 PM (#2842587)

Manny got a hit! An incredibly weak one, but gotta start somewhere.

138. Chip Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:31 PM (#2842590)

Damon made that one an adventure, too. Turned completely around on his way back.

139. kevin Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:31 PM (#2842591)

Smallball!

140. kevin Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:32 PM (#2842592)

Is Damon on chemotherapy?

141. Chip Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:32 PM (#2842593)

Youks has dug himself a hole in every AB, despite Pettitte's suckiness tonight.

142. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:34 PM (#2842599)

Well, that might cost a run.

143. Chip Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:34 PM (#2842600)

Bad luck. Manny would have scored on Raggedy Arm if it stayed in play.

144. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:35 PM (#2842602)

#### - manny would have scored there on damons arm

145. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:37 PM (#2842607)

This Giese clown has a 3.13 ERA?

146. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:38 PM (#2842609)

Frak

147. kevin Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:41 PM (#2842616)

Lester's being incredibly efficient.

Boy, am I glad they didn't trade him for Santana.

148. Chip Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:42 PM (#2842620)

Youkilis gave up on that too quickly, thinking Pedroia could get it.

149. the large father Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:43 PM (#2842622)

past a driving pedroia!

150. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:44 PM (#2842626)

no stnad up fastballs, thanks

151. Chip Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:50 PM (#2842644)

Well those were two incredibly weak ABs against Giese to start this inning.

152. ekogan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:51 PM (#2842647)

Ponson - 4.18 ERA
Giese - 3.05 ERA with a better K/BB
but Giese in the bullpen and Sir Sidney is starting
Veteran Mystique strikes again

153. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:52 PM (#2842652)

Ponson - 4.18 ERA
Giese - 3.05 ERA with a better K/BB
but Giese in the bullpen and Sir Sidney is starting
Veteran Mystique strikes again

I really wouldn't expect Giese to keep this up though.

Wait...what am I talking about. These are the Yankees, of course he'll keep it up.

154. villageidiom Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:54 PM (#2842661)

Evening, all. (Morning, Phil.)

I'm having fun watching YES. Whoever said they're better than NESN, well, it's only true because of Leiter. He manages to un-suck the booth.

But in a blowout, I'd rather take the goofy banter. I'm switching back to NESN.

155. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:57 PM (#2842674)

hey vi - hope your well - this is not a blowout!

156. konaforever Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:58 PM (#2842675)

I heart Lester

157. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:59 PM (#2842677)

I like how we've already played 3 more games than the DEVIL Rays, yet we're in action tonight and they're not.

158. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:59 PM (#2842680)

Someone is YES just then...

"Lester has 7 strikeouts - all swinging - he's approaching Joba territory..."

Give me a break

159. ekogan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 08:59 PM (#2842682)

A contending team must have many different roles filled by their roster.
Let's do a head to head comparison:
Yankee's Fat F@ck - Sydney Ponson - 260 lbs
Red Sox's Fat F@ck - Bartolo Colon - 250 lbs

Edge: Yankees by 10 lbs.

160. NJ in DC loathes his classmates and the law Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:00 PM (#2842685)

I like how we've already played 3 more games than the DEVIL Rays, yet we're in action tonight and they're not.

Can't this be explained by the Japan opener? And isn't it better for you guys since you will get more time off down the stretch (and you're an older team)?

161. NJ in DC loathes his classmates and the law Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:01 PM (#2842687)

Someone is YES just then...

"Lester has 7 strikeouts - all swinging - he's approaching Joba territory..."

Give me a break

They were referencing the fact that like 22 of Joba's last 23 strikeouts were swinging. There are a lot of reasons to get on YES. This is/was not one of them.

162. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:05 PM (#2842699)

There are a lot of reasons to get on YES. This is/was not one of them.

Hey - I'm normally a big defender of YES !

163. ekogan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:05 PM (#2842700)

Head to Head Comparison continued:
Role: Captain Intangibles
Red Sox: Jason Varitek - 10,200 google hits on jason varitek intangibles
Yankees: Derek Jeter - 27,100 google hits on derek jeter intangibles

Edge: Yankees by 16,900 intangibles

164. Chip Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:06 PM (#2842703)

Giese with the Rodrigo Lopez Memorial Junkballing Righty effort tonight.

165. ekogan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:09 PM (#2842714)

Giese brings up the ball behind his body and takes it out from behind his head.
That makes him much more deceptive.
Maddox does the same thing.

166. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:10 PM (#2842716)

####. Timlin is in the bullpen?

167. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:11 PM (#2842718)

Can't this be explained by the Japan opener? And isn't it better for you guys since you will get more time off down the stretch (and you're an older team)?

I just find it weird. And the Japan opener was only two games. And the Red Sox are well ahead of Oakland in games played as well, in fact.

168. Chip Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:11 PM (#2842719)

Oh ####. They activated him today instead of sending him out for rehab.

That guarantees Tito will use him in a high leverage situation immediately.

169. ekogan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:11 PM (#2842721)

Lester at 76 pitches - he ought to be able to get a complete game

170. NJ in DC loathes his classmates and the law Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:12 PM (#2842723)

Hawkins looks like the saddest guy in the world.

171. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:12 PM (#2842724)

Latroy Hawkins is up in the pen for the Yankees? He's their version of Timlin, right?

172. villageidiom Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:13 PM (#2842726)

hey vi - hope your well - this is not a blowout!

I'm well. We were down in NYC last weekend for the girl's 10th birthday. Good times. And we're coming up on the 2nd anniversary of mrsidiom's stroke. She has come a long way, but she's still making progress.

Lester's being incredibly efficient.

Boy, am I glad they didn't trade him for Santana.

Likewise, I'm glad the Yankees didn't trade Ian Kennedy for him.

On that... Boston sent Buchholz down to AAA after the DL stint and Francona said, "We just want to make sure he understood what we’re trying to do... We’re trying to take out the [element] of him concerning about the line score. He can go be consistent [in Pawtucket] and pound the strike zone with his fastball. He can work on his arm slot and things like that." The Yankees sent Ian Kennedy to A-ball after the DL stint and said, "He’s not on the D.L. now. This is earning his way back, just like the other 175 players or so in the minors." If I'm either of these guys, I'd rather be in the Red Sox organization. No?

173. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:13 PM (#2842727)

Where was the 2-2?

174. Chip Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:13 PM (#2842729)

Uh, where was the 2-2 to A-Rod?

175. ekogan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:14 PM (#2842734)

The umpire calls the pitches just below the top of the knee balls. That's not rulebook

176. villageidiom Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:15 PM (#2842739)

Now that Giambi has the moustache, he no longer looks like a hamhead.

177. ekogan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:16 PM (#2842740)

If I'm either of these guys, I'd rather be in the Red Sox organization. No?

Which one has more laptops laying around?

178. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:16 PM (#2842741)

That's how you play the wall.

179. ekogan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:16 PM (#2842743)

Drew does it all

180. ekogan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:18 PM (#2842748)

Now that Giambi has the moustache, he no longer looks like a hamhead.

He has a 70's porn star mustache.
Not a job he's suited for after all those steroids

181. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:18 PM (#2842751)

And we're coming up on the 2nd anniversary of mrsidiom's stroke. She has come a long way, but she's still making progress.

Wow - 2 years ?

All the best mate from Lu, the girls and myself - we will all catch up in Boston maybe for the twins 10th birthday in 2017 when the playoffs are on!!

JD Drew is the anti Abreu - great little grab there

182. Chip Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:18 PM (#2842752)

Posada trying to claim that the ball hit the wall, then ricocheted into the glove. Go back and put your gear on, Jorge.

183. ekogan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:18 PM (#2842754)

I got a steroid joke and a mustache joke in the same post.
Score!

184. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:21 PM (#2842759)

YES have been talking about the traveling secretary incident and not one mention of Costanza!

185. Chip Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:21 PM (#2842762)

Let's not lay down like dogs for Hawkins like you did for Giese.

186. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:24 PM (#2842768)

Let's not lay down like dogs for Hawkins like you did for Giese.

Giese has been listed as one of the top 4 players of the game by YES...

187. villageidiom Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:24 PM (#2842771)

####. Timlin is in the bullpen?

Got someone better?

Prior to the game that landed him on the DL, Timlin had a 2.89 ERA over 19 appearances, not allowing any of his 5 inherited runners to score.

188. ekogan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:25 PM (#2842773)

Per Hardball Times:
Posada has 1.44 Stolen base attempts per game and 9.4% CS
The only catcher with more stolen base attempts/game - Kevin Cash (25% CS)
Among regular catchers only Joe Buck of KC has a lower CS%.

I guess catcher defense doesn't matter if you're a lifelong Yankee

189. ekogan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:26 PM (#2842779)

Lester's going into the clubhouse. Is he done?

190. NJ in DC loathes his classmates and the law Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:27 PM (#2842783)

ekogan, Posada has a serious shoulder injury, but putting the best offensive lineup forth requires biting the bullet on that for this year.

191. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:28 PM (#2842784)

Lester's going into the clubhouse. Is he done?

He's back in the dugout - might have needed a piss...

192. kevin Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:30 PM (#2842791)

Tek should have sent that into the alley. He's missing everything.

193. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:31 PM (#2842796)

Varitek got a hit!

194. kevin Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:32 PM (#2842801)

Pasta diving Betemit!

195. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:32 PM (#2842802)

He finally connected on one of those meatballs

196. ekogan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:32 PM (#2842803)

ekogan, Posada has a serious shoulder injury

Is it the kind that will permanently affect his throwing?

197. ekogan Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:33 PM (#2842808)

That was a nice slide by Youk

198. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:33 PM (#2842811)

Lugo is ####### terrible

199. kevin Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:33 PM (#2842812)

And, of course, Lugo serves up a specialty of his.

200. villageidiom Posted: July 03, 2008 at 09:34 PM (#2842819)

Funny, I could've sworn someone told me that this is not a blowout.

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