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Boston Red Sox (52-37) @ New York Yankees (45-42), Saturday, July 5, 2008, 3:55pm

BOS: Justin Masterson (23, RHP, 4-2, 3.75)
NYY: Mike Mussina (39, RHP, 10-6, 3.87)

The Primer Chimp Posted: July 05, 2008 at 09:00 AM | 253 comment(s)
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101. Rafael Bellylard (p8p) Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:32 PM (#2844465)

I think Rear Window was much better than Vertigo.

102. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:32 PM (#2844466)

Youk!!!!

103. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:33 PM (#2844467)

Great grab by Youks

104. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:34 PM (#2844470)

Stealing 3rd with 2 outs is pointless

A bit like banging Madonna

105. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:35 PM (#2844471)

Not pointless, you score on a wild pitch or an infield hit. You just need to be 95% to do it

106. PJ Martinez Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:35 PM (#2844472)

You guys are all crazy.

Or, more likely, you're looking for different things in movies than I am. Rear Window's great but it doesn't hold a candle. The Godfather is stunningly good, but ultimately not as interesting.

107. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:37 PM (#2844475)

A bit like banging Madonna

Of course if a male and a female celebrity are seen together, they must be sleeping with each other

108. PJ Martinez Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:38 PM (#2844478)

Bob Sheppard is the best thing about the Yankees, hands down.

109. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:38 PM (#2844479)

Of course if a male and a female celebrity are seen together, they must be sleeping with each other

hehe

Can't we have a little fun with the wanker?

110. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:38 PM (#2844480)

you're looking for different things in movies than I am

What things are you looking for that make Vertigo more interesting than Godfather

111. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:39 PM (#2844482)

The Godfather is pretty brilliant, but I'd like the best film of all time to be a bit more a film, not just a ripping good story with richly realized characters. Vertigo seems a valid choice.

112. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:39 PM (#2844483)

Or, more likely, you're looking for different things in movies than I am.

Which reminds me of a customer to the bottle shop who thinks the greatest movie ever is the Transformers.

113. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:40 PM (#2844488)

That was a strike. Danley have that one to Manny.

114. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:41 PM (#2844491)

Swing the bat Manny!
You can hit it, even if he's painting the corner

115. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:42 PM (#2844494)

Very inconsistent umpire - and what is Manny looking at? Sheesh

116. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:43 PM (#2844495)

Pedroia error on the basepaths looming larger by the minute

117. kevin Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:45 PM (#2844499)

Don't like the score but Masterson has done his job so far.

118. kevin Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:47 PM (#2844502)

Anybody have any idea what Zink would pull on the trade market? He's dominating AAA.

119. PJ Martinez Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:48 PM (#2844507)

"What things are you looking for that make Vertigo more interesting than Godfather"

#111 says it pretty well. Some day I'll try to say it better but if I tried now I'm sure I'd just come off as a pretentious blowhard.

120. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:50 PM (#2844508)

The Godfather is pretty brilliant, but I'd like the best film of all time to be a bit more a film, not just a ripping good story with richly realized characters. Vertigo seems a valid choice.

There are two ways to look at a movie - as primarily a story or as a sequence of paintings. I prefer the story viewpoint, but even a visual snob could probably find a better movie than Vertigo. 2001: the space odyssey for example.

121. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:50 PM (#2844510)

jesus - i thought that was foul tipped - ####

122. HighandOutside Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:51 PM (#2844511)

Buck was right about a few things, umpires not calling strikes and the incessant meetings with pitchers bring these games to a crawl.

123. kevin Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:51 PM (#2844512)

The Godfather is pretty brilliant, but I'd like the best film of all time to be a bit more a film, not just a ripping good story with richly realized characters.

How does that make it less of a "film" than Vertigo?

124. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:51 PM (#2844513)

I know it wasn't foul tipped - just peeved that he might give up runs to the bottom of the order

125. Mattbert Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:51 PM (#2844514)

For ##### sake, Marge.

126. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:52 PM (#2844515)

####### terrible - he had that fat #### on toast

127. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:52 PM (#2844516)

Anybody have any idea what Zink would pull on the trade market? He's dominating AAA.

Very little. He's not a hyped up prospect, he doesn't throw hard, he's blocked in Boston. He'd probably be a steal for someone in a trade

128. PJ Martinez Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:53 PM (#2844519)

"There are two ways to look at a movie - as primarily a story or as a sequence of paintings. I prefer the story viewpoint, but even a visual snob could probably find a better movie than Vertigo. 2001: the space odyssey for example."

This is an overly simplistic dichotomy. Vertigo is much more psychologically involving, for me, than The Godfather, which is a great story, but with a fairly straightforward psychological story to tell.

I found 2001 boring. Granted I haven't seen it in a while.

129. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:53 PM (#2844520)

Gardner has hit the ball well every time today, even if he doesn't have a hit to show for it

130. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:55 PM (#2844523)

This is an overly simplistic dichotomy. Vertigo is much more psychologically involving, for me, than The Godfather, which is a great story, but with a fairly straightforward psychological story to tell.

So you're a Dostoevsky over Tolstoy fellow?

131. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:56 PM (#2844526)

A run that could have been avoided if he got Molina out - damn this game!

132. PJ Martinez Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:58 PM (#2844530)

So you're a Dostoevsky over Tolstoy fellow?

Maybe, but I haven't ever read Tolstoy, actually. I've been meaning to sit down with Anna Karenina. It's just so damn long. Maybe I'll suck it up soon.

133. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:58 PM (#2844531)

A run that could have been avoided if he got Molina out - damn this game!

Actually Masterson is very lucky to only have given up 2 ER

134. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:59 PM (#2844532)

Actually Masterson is very lucky to only have given up 2 ER

Your right

135. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 05:59 PM (#2844533)

Maybe, but I haven't ever read Tolstoy, actually. I've been meaning to sit down with Anna Karenina. It's just so damn long. Maybe I'll suck it up soon.

You should read some of his short stories then. They are only 100-150 pages each

136. PJ Martinez Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:00 PM (#2844534)

But are they as good?

137. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:00 PM (#2844535)

That should be your are right - but I should be allowed to vent when the crappy bottom of the order for the Yankees manufacture a run

138. kevin Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:00 PM (#2844537)

The Godfather is so much more than that, though. It's a case study of one family's entry into the upper echelons of money, power and ambition. It's at least as ambitious as Vertigo in it's psychological dimension.

And the magnitude of a psychological dimension doesn't define the greatness of a film anyway. That is just one aspect of film making. Ford treaded lightly on that aspect in his films and he's numero uno.

139. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:02 PM (#2844540)

But are they as good?

They are very good. I like Tolstoy in general, although I hated Anna Karenina.
I have never waited for a train with as much impatience as when I was trying to finish Anna Karenina.
War and Peace is very good though

140. PJ Martinez Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:04 PM (#2844544)

"That is just one aspect of film making."

Certainly true, and I agree with what you said about The Godfather-- and I'd also point to it's specifically American dimension ("I believe in America. I raised my daughters in the American style...")

As for what MC said about Vertigo being "more of a film": Vertigo is about the movies in a way that The Godfather is not, which is partly why I find it more interesting. Vertigo is about the way men idealize women, and, implicitly, about the way movies feed on this. Perhaps one of the reasons I like it more is just because that hits much closer to home than Michael Corleone's path toward evil does.

141. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:05 PM (#2844545)

If you throw 95 MPH, why would you ever throw a non-fastball to Varitek?

142. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:05 PM (#2844546)

well inside

143. kevin Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:05 PM (#2844548)

I hate to say it but Tek is Mario Mendoza at the plate right now.

144. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:05 PM (#2844549)

#### I hate watching Varitek bat

145. PJ Martinez Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:05 PM (#2844550)

So who's coming in here?

146. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:05 PM (#2844551)

The top of the order will have the 8th to make up 2 runs before Rivera comes in to slam the door shut

147. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:06 PM (#2844553)

I'm buying Vertigo this arvo

148. Mattbert Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:07 PM (#2844556)

So, the George Kottaras Era begins next year then?

149. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:08 PM (#2844558)

The Godfather-- and I'd also point to it's specifically American dimension

PJ, where are you from?

150. PJ Martinez Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:09 PM (#2844562)

America... more specifically: eastern MA.

151. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:09 PM (#2844563)

It's raining again - I hope they don't have another rain delay

152. kevin Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:10 PM (#2844565)

Perhaps one of the reasons I like it more is just because that hits much closer to home than Michael Corleone's path toward evil does.

Path toward evil? I never got that. How is killing the men who tried to kill his father because he wouldn't support their drug trade evil? The men who slaughtered his brother for the same reason. The men who brutalized him for attempting to save his father's life.

Path toward power is more like it, and the compromises he's forced to make. If he doesn't take out Barzini et al, then he and the family are toast, and they all know it.

Godfather 2, you could argue that. Not Godfather 1.

153. Mattbert Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:10 PM (#2844567)

I'm pretty excited for the Lopez/A-Rod matchup and ensuing home run.

154. kevin Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:11 PM (#2844569)

Oh no. Timlin is warming.

155. PJ Martinez Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:11 PM (#2844570)

Well, I did say path toward evil... but those are fair points. Reminds me of one of Michael's great lines: "Now who's being naive, Kay?"

156. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:13 PM (#2844574)

Lopez and Hansen are opposites.
Lopez looks like he should be crappy, but is a decent reliever
Hansen looks like he should dominate, but is a schmuck

157. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:14 PM (#2844577)

Path toward evil? I never got that.

Godfather glamorizes gangsters. In real life, they are evil

158. kevin Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:16 PM (#2844581)

What would A-Rod see in Madonna? She's 15 years his senior and has been shot as a beauty for over a decade, if she ever was one. Which I doubt anyway.

I think he's better off with the Brazilian stripper. Madonna wrecked Warren Beatty's career and she'll do the same to A-Rod.

159. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:16 PM (#2844583)

As for what MC said about Vertigo being "more of a film": Vertigo is about the movies in a way that The Godfather is not, which is partly why I find it more interesting. Vertigo is about the way men idealize women, and, implicitly, about the way movies feed on this. Perhaps one of the reasons I like it more is just because that hits much closer to home than Michael Corleone's path toward evil does.

well put

160. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:17 PM (#2844586)

You could say see ruined Guy Ritchie as well though I can't think he was with her before 'Snatch'?

In any case - Ritchie is a joke now

161. PJ Martinez Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:17 PM (#2844587)

thank you

162. kevin Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:18 PM (#2844589)

Godfather glamorizes gangsters. In real life, they are evil

How are the Corleones different from someone like, say, Dick Cheney? Cheney wasn't in the mob but I think he's worse than the Corleones ever were. At least the Corleones didn't hide behind hypocrisy.

163. PJ Martinez Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:21 PM (#2844596)

Come on, Casey.

164. Mattbert Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:23 PM (#2844602)

Farns missed his spot by a foot and half on the 0-1.

165. Mattbert Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:24 PM (#2844604)

Still no mention by Fox that Casey was a pinch hitter.

166. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:24 PM (#2844606)

How are the Corleones different from someone like, say, Dick Cheney

Godfather only shows gangster-on-gangster violence. It doesn't show extortion, robbery, murder etc. that real gangsters use to support themselves.
Plus real gangsters aren't as intelligent or as cultured as Don Vito.
See the Goodfellas or Donnie Brasco for more realistic gangster characters.

I'm not saying that Dick Cheney is a ray of sunshine either

167. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:26 PM (#2844610)

Liner right at Jeter
today is just not Boston's day

168. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:27 PM (#2844613)

Ouch.
That must be like being punched by a heavyweight

169. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:29 PM (#2844614)

that would hurt

170. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:30 PM (#2844616)

Mike Timlin, the human white flag, warming up

171. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:31 PM (#2844619)

That Pedroia hit looked fair to me.

172. Mattbert Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:31 PM (#2844621)

Anyone else get the feeling it won't be a save situation in the bottom of the 9th?

173. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:32 PM (#2844622)

Timlin - lets confirm he still has nothing and should have retired

174. kevin Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:32 PM (#2844623)

That 7.06 ERA is not encouraging.

175. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:33 PM (#2844626)

Biff - they showed one shitty replay - it looked fair on first glance as well - fucing FOX

176. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:33 PM (#2844627)

Lugo is squatting to show us that he's preparing to (metaphorically) crap all over the field

177. kevin Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:34 PM (#2844630)

Criminy, he has a WHIP close to 2.0.

178. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:35 PM (#2844632)

Ken Rosenthal comes on to report that most contenders need more relief pitching.
No kidding, Ken!

179. kevin Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:36 PM (#2844634)

At least it's not over 7 anymore.

180. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:37 PM (#2844638)

Timlin looked less shitty than last month.

181. kevin Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:38 PM (#2844640)

A 1-2-3 inning for Timlin? You have to be shitting me.

The Yankees are sandbagging. They want him in the game tomorrow too.

182. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:38 PM (#2844641)

Whoa. 1-2-3?!

183. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:39 PM (#2844644)

I don't think the Red Sox should trade for a setup reliever. They should just wait for MDC to rediscover his control,
this will leave them with Oki-MDC-Paps for 7-8-9 innings - a decent group.
The prices for relievers are gonna be extremely high.

184. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:40 PM (#2844646)

Now Timlin will get at least 10 more opportunities to stink it up before Tito buries him

185. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:42 PM (#2844652)

People filing to the exits? Jesus

186. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:42 PM (#2844655)

Drew!!!

187. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:43 PM (#2844662)

The rest of the inning will go:
Manny grounds out.
Lowell singles
Youks whines out
Crisp grounds out

188. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:44 PM (#2844664)

3 HBP in a game? Record?

189. kevin Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:44 PM (#2844667)

Wow. You can hear that "Let's go, Red Sox" chant in the background.

Now, the Yankees fans respond with their own chant.

190. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:44 PM (#2844668)

I guess I was wrong.
Manny has figured how to be effective against hard stuff with decreased bat speed - get HBP

191. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:45 PM (#2844671)

Yeah!

192. PJ Martinez Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:45 PM (#2844672)

Seems like a lot of Sox fans there in pretty good seats.

193. kevin Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:45 PM (#2844675)

Lowell!

194. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:46 PM (#2844676)

Classic McTim: "Dave Eiland out to talk to number 42, and Dave Eiland turns 42 today. [pause to soak in brilliance] This was not the birthday present Eiland had wanted."

195. ekogan Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:46 PM (#2844680)

Yankees win expectancy down to 55% from 94%!

196. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:47 PM (#2844681)

cmon youks

197. PJ Martinez Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:48 PM (#2844685)

Ties a record, right?

198. Alan S Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:48 PM (#2844686)

Hehehehehehe. Rivera sucks.

199. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:48 PM (#2844687)

Wow. This is weird.

200. kevin Posted: July 05, 2008 at 06:48 PM (#2844688)

wow. this is stunning.

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