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Wednesday, August 20, 2008

Boston Red Sox (73-53) @ Baltimore Orioles (60-65), Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 7:05pm

BOS: Clay Buchholz (23, RHP, 2-8, 6.35)
BAL: Chris Waters (27, LHP, 1-0, 4.32)

The Primer Chimp Posted: August 20, 2008 at 09:00 AM | 162 comment(s)
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   1. kevin Posted: August 20, 2008 at 03:26 PM (#2910396)
Buchholz has to start living up to his ability. His stuff is too good to be getting lit up like he has been.
   2. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: August 20, 2008 at 06:25 PM (#2910650)
An unknown lefty? This won't turn out well.
   3. tfbg9 Posted: August 20, 2008 at 06:54 PM (#2910673)
Yeah to both posts.

The phrase "Tommy John Surgery" is being bandied about wrt/Beckett's numbness in his
ring and little fingers. Some well-known sports Dr. apparently it's often be the first sign of a
condition that eventually result in the need that operation.

So, that's really f*cking wonderful, no?
   4. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:07 PM (#2910679)
Looked like it got out to me.
   5. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:09 PM (#2910682)
HR. Went over the wall, hit the railing behind it.
   6. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:10 PM (#2910683)
The umps blew another HR call. Gee, what a "shock".
   7. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:10 PM (#2910684)
WTF is with the Red Sox and all these balls hitting railings and wide walls and ####?
   8. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:13 PM (#2910689)
Thing is, I don't know how you can even see that live. You can make a guess because of the way it ricocheted, but if you're at field level, in the short outfield (which is where an ump would be) are you really going to be able to tell whether it hit the top of the wall or hit just behind it? Only replay using the overhead or reverse view camera will really show it.
   9. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:15 PM (#2910692)
Cheapie!
   10. kevin Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:16 PM (#2910695)
evening, chip, Dan, Biffster.
   11. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:17 PM (#2910696)
Looked like strike three to me.
   12. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:17 PM (#2910699)
Amica says the 1-2 was a strike. But it also said the 1-1 wasn't.
   13. kevin Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:18 PM (#2910700)
Love it.
   14. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:19 PM (#2910701)
Bailey may have a good game against unknown lefty. I have a good feeling about that.
   15. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:20 PM (#2910702)
Thanks for making me look stupid, Jeff.
   16. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:20 PM (#2910703)
Did Bailey see him in AAA?

That was a dumb take. Bad, bad AB.
   17. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:20 PM (#2910704)
SQUANDER!
   18. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:20 PM (#2910705)
Well...stupider, anyway.

Typical terrible Crisp at bat.
   19. kevin Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:21 PM (#2910708)
Crisp annoys me with his lack of patience.
   20. kevin Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:22 PM (#2910709)
It wasn't quite a squander. They did get 2 runs out of the deal.
   21. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:22 PM (#2910710)
Yankees off to an early lead.
   22. Fancy Pants Handle Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:23 PM (#2910711)
Crisp annoys me with his lack of ability.
   23. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:24 PM (#2910712)
It wasn't quite a squander. They did get 2 runs out of the deal.


Bases loaded, one out, I want another run. Semi-squander, at least.
   24. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:27 PM (#2910715)
Nice play!
   25. kevin Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:28 PM (#2910719)
A good start by Buchholz would really be a shot in the arm.
   26. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:29 PM (#2910720)
That montage was highly amusing. You'd think he'd learn his lesson by the third time.

Or tonight, but he just swung at it again on 1-2.
   27. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:30 PM (#2910722)
Of course it took a long time, because he lasts only 5 IP per start! Can't really catch up from even the short amount of time he missed that way.
   28. kevin Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:34 PM (#2910735)
I hate ####### Payton.
   29. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:35 PM (#2910738)
Speed kills!
   30. kevin Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:35 PM (#2910739)
Beauty.
   31. kevin Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:35 PM (#2910741)
Ellsbury's only hit into 2 DPs. He can burn.
   32. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:36 PM (#2910742)
Good scoring too.
   33. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:36 PM (#2910745)
Steal third!
   34. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:36 PM (#2910746)
Listen Bagginses: DON'T BUNT!
   35. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:36 PM (#2910747)
Ellsbury's only hit into 2 DPs. He can burn.

Does that include the one with Lugo getting him called out on interference?
   36. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:37 PM (#2910748)
Steal third!


Good call.
   37. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:38 PM (#2910753)
Bagginses burned expecting fastball on the 2-0 pitch, barely gets wood on the changeup.

And then lets himself get jammed on the 2-1. Terrible AB.
   38. kevin Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:39 PM (#2910756)
I don't know but I guess it must, Dan.
   39. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:40 PM (#2910758)
Eric Hinske has 9 steals in 11 attempts now. Odd.
   40. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:41 PM (#2910759)
Hit way too hard to get a double.
   41. kevin Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:42 PM (#2910761)
Papi!
   42. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:43 PM (#2910764)
Waters is really pissed now that he didn't get the 0-2 call earlier in the AB.
   43. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:46 PM (#2910770)
Rivera and Hunter just let a catchable fly ball drop between them for a 2-out RBI triple by Bartlett.

####### Angels.
   44. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:47 PM (#2910772)
The Angels defense really isn't that good.
   45. kevin Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:48 PM (#2910774)
The Angels are tanking.

If the playoffs started today, who would the Sox play?
   46. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:50 PM (#2910775)
The Angels are tanking.


Or coasting. They've got a 15-game lead with <40 to play, and acting like it.
   47. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:50 PM (#2910776)
The Angels. They get the Angels whether TB or LAA ends up with the best record.
   48. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:50 PM (#2910777)
The NESN promo was obviously far more important than whatever analysis Remy wanted to do.
   49. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:50 PM (#2910778)
Or coasting. They've got a 15-game lead with <40 to play, and acting like it.

Not really. It's not as if they're losing because they aren't playing their best players , or are resting their best pitchers or something.
   50. Answer Guy Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:51 PM (#2910779)
I believe the Sox would play at Anaheim if the playoffs started today. The Twins and White Sox are both breathing down our neck though.
   51. Never Thought of Listach as a Sexual Reference Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:51 PM (#2910783)
This just in: Chris Waters is not, actually, a Major League Pitcher.
   52. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:53 PM (#2910785)
Not really. It's not as if they're losing because they aren't playing their best players , or are resting their best pitchers or something.


I think you can coast mentally even when you're playing your best players. That play sure looked like an example of it: not a lack of range or lack of skill on defense, but sheer laziness on both players parts - Hunter, in particular, should have taken charge of the play and didn't.
   53. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:54 PM (#2910786)
The Twins and White Sox are both breathing down our neck though.

I mentioned this on the main board, but I'm very unconcerned about those two teams.
   54. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:54 PM (#2910787)
No, that play looked like both outfielders assuming the other one was going to catch the ball.
   55. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:54 PM (#2910788)
I mentioned this on the main board, but I'm very unconcerned about those two teams.

Same here.
   56. Answer Guy Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:57 PM (#2910795)
The ChiSox and Twins have, IIRC, surprisingly few games left against each other, and fairly easy schedule. I still can't picture the Twins in particular finishing with a better record than the Sox but strange things can happen over one month of play.
   57. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:57 PM (#2910796)
No, that play looked like both outfielders assuming the other one was going to catch the ball.


Which I'd attribute to laziness. Or lack of focus. Or coasting. Call it whatever you want. They're not playing very hard right now with the big lead.
   58. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:59 PM (#2910800)
I couldn't disagree more, Chip. Rivera got a bad read on a ball he should have been 100% in control of, and looked for help from Hunter who assumed Rivera wouldn't muff up such an easy play. Watching these games, at no point did I think "gee, I wish that the Angels were actually trying."
   59. Answer Guy Posted: August 20, 2008 at 07:59 PM (#2910801)
Speaking of which, they both won. Again.

Not that one expects much help from the A's or Mariners in their current respective states.
   60. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:00 PM (#2910802)
This may be solely due to years past, but I'm still much more concerned about the Yankees than the loser of the White Sox/Twins scrum.
   61. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:00 PM (#2910803)
Did Aybar stretch that hit to a triple just to pad his stats rather than playing hard?
   62. Never Thought of Listach as a Sexual Reference Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:01 PM (#2910806)
No no-hitter!
   63. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:02 PM (#2910809)
It would be helpful if Buchholz didn't suck.
   64. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:02 PM (#2910811)
1-2 to 3-2 on Payton before giving up the hit, then a 4-pitch walk of ####### Castro throwing nothing but Castro? Ridiculous.
   65. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:02 PM (#2910813)
I said didn't suck.
   66. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:04 PM (#2910814)
Here comes the Markakis HR!
   67. Answer Guy Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:04 PM (#2910815)
This just in: Chris Waters is not, actually, a Major League Pitcher.


Neither is this year's version of Clay Buchholz.
   68. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:04 PM (#2910816)
Close.
   69. Never Thought of Listach as a Sexual Reference Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:06 PM (#2910820)

Neither is this year's version of Clay Buchholz.


Well, just think of what happens to all the other Red Sox pitchers who've no-hit us over the past 10 years. That lawnmower guy? He's gone. Nomo? Gone.

You no-hit the Baltimore Orioles, it catches up with you...
   70. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:08 PM (#2910822)
Did Aybar stretch that hit to a triple just to pad his stats rather than playing hard?


Aybar is one of the few guys on the Angels with incentive to play hard, since he's a bench guy who still hasn't proven he can be a starter, and is getting regular playing time for the first time in his brief career in the majors with the Izturis injury.

But of course saying that they're coasting as a team doesn't mean that every single play in the game is going to reflect that. It means that there are going to be more mental lapses than might be typical for that team, more instances of guys going at 3/4 speed in situations where they wouldn't have if they were still fighting for a playoff spot, etc.
   71. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:08 PM (#2910823)
What a clueless ball girl.
   72. Answer Guy Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:10 PM (#2910826)
This may be solely due to years past, but I'm still much more concerned about the Yankees than the loser of the White Sox/Twins scrum.


Makes some sense given history and that the Yankees have several head-to-head opportunities to close the gap whereas the Red Sox are done with both the ChiSox and Twins.

It's getting close to the hypothetical point where it makes enough sense to root for the Yankees when they play Tampa Bay to overcome whatever emotional attachment one has to rooting for whoever opposes the Bronx Bombers on any given day. Unless you're looking Wild Card all the way...but given how this team plays on the road, I don't see them going too far in that case.
   73. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:11 PM (#2910827)
She seemed completely unembarrassed by her screw up.
   74. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:11 PM (#2910828)
Ugh.
   75. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:11 PM (#2910829)
Speaking of mental lapses ...
   76. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:12 PM (#2910833)
It is hypothetically possible, but I haven't seen a single play from the Angels in the TB series that looked like anything less than the typical effort from the Angels, which is usually 100%.
   77. Answer Guy Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:13 PM (#2910834)
####. We're going to need that run.
   78. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:14 PM (#2910836)
####. We're going to need that run.

He wasn't going to score anyway.
   79. The Marksist Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:15 PM (#2910837)
It's getting close to the hypothetical point where it makes enough sense to root for the Yankees when they play Tampa Bay


I've done a fair bit of rooting for the Yanks on similar grounds in the past. Feels a bit dirty, but I can live with it.
   80. Answer Guy Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:17 PM (#2910841)
The offense is pretty good, all things considered, but I'm spoiled by 2003-05. Seeing Bailey-Crisp-Cash in the 7-8-9 spots seems to scream "easy inning."
   81. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:18 PM (#2910843)
Buchholz continues to be totally lost.
   82. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:18 PM (#2910844)
The offense is as good as any of the 2003-2005 teams when it's got everyone healthy, if you put Lowrie instead of Lugo obviously.
   83. The Marksist Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:19 PM (#2910846)
Wow. Could use a strike.
   84. Answer Guy Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:20 PM (#2910847)
I've done a fair bit of rooting for the Yanks on similar grounds in the past. Feels a bit dirty, but I can live with it.


Well, with the hypothetical NYY-TB matchup there's also the WC to consider. TB winning such a game puts the Sox further away from a shot at the East title but closer to the WC. (Assuming the Yankees don't fall much further off the pace.)
   85. The Marksist Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:20 PM (#2910848)
Why would Huff swing?
   86. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:21 PM (#2910851)
It's like the Payton infield hit when he slipped had him thinking, "here I go again." And once the downhill momentum starts, he has no way of stopping it.

Huff's swing at the 2-0 sure was a gift he needed. Not sure he can take advantage of it, though.
   87. The Marksist Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:21 PM (#2910853)
Well, with the hypothetical NYY-TB matchup there's also the WC to consider. TB winning such a game puts the Sox further away from a shot at the East title but closer to the WC. (Assuming the Yankees don't fall much further off the pace.)


Oh, I know. I usually root for everyone to lose every other game. Kind of the baseball version of "shoot 'em all and let God sort 'em out."
   88. Answer Guy Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:21 PM (#2910852)
Here comes Red Sox killer Luke Scott.
   89. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:24 PM (#2910859)
The #### are you doing Cash?
   90. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:24 PM (#2910860)
Oh good, a mental lapse on the basepaths now matched by a mental lapse on defense.
   91. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:25 PM (#2910862)
So is this the last we're going to see of Buchholz this year?
   92. jjdnyc Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:25 PM (#2910863)
The Clay Buchholz Experience is NOT ready for stadium shows.
   93. jjdnyc Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:27 PM (#2910866)
Why was Youk standing on 2nd base after a walk? Inquiring minds want to know.
   94. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:28 PM (#2910868)
At least Coco has comedy value.
   95. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:28 PM (#2910869)
Good job Aardsma.
   96. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:28 PM (#2910870)
Lowrie and Youk were fine on that.

It was Cash who wasn't paying attention to the action on the field. And it's moot now since he scored on a home run.
   97. The Marksist Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:29 PM (#2910871)
oy.
   98. Chip Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:30 PM (#2910872)
Aardsma command is worse than Buchholz's so far, if that's even possible.
   99. Dan Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:30 PM (#2910874)
So is Masterson going back to the rotation, or what?
   100. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:30 PM (#2910875)
Aardsma may have even less idea of where the ball is going than Buchholz.
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