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Saturday, October 11, 2008

Boston Red Sox (95-67) @ Tampa Bay Rays (97-65), Saturday, October 11, 2008, 8:07pm

BOS: Josh Beckett (28, RHP, 12-10, 4.03)
TBR: Scott Kazmir (24, LHP, 12-8, 3.49)

The Primer Chimp Posted: October 11, 2008 at 09:00 AM | 1764 comment(s)
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1. Gamingboy Posted: October 11, 2008 at 02:21 PM (#2977743)

Stuff I want to see in this game:

A brawl, the tension is so high it needs to come out.

Catwalk!

Pictures of that new ballpark they want to build in St. Pete.

Dick Vitale

Rocco Baldelli hits a walk-off.

2. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: October 11, 2008 at 05:34 PM (#2977831)

Stuff I don't want in this game:

The same damn TBS crew that I had to listen to through the Division Series. Maybe I'll see if it's on ESPN Radio.

Josh Beckett talking to the Red Sox trainer while rubbing his arm.

A key play involving a catwalk.

Anybody hit a walkoff. Think about it.

3. PJ Martinez Posted: October 11, 2008 at 05:38 PM (#2977837)

The same damn TBS crew that I had to listen to through the Division Series. Maybe I'll see if it's on ESPN Radio.

At least it's not Tim McCarver. Count your blessings.

4. PJ Martinez Posted: October 11, 2008 at 05:44 PM (#2977842)

Red Sox Game 2 lineup:

Ellsbury -- CF
Pedroia -- 2B
Ortiz -- DH
Youkilis -- 3B
Bay -- LF
Lowrie -- SS
Varitek -- C
Kotsay -- 1B
Crisp -- CF
Beckett SP

5. Fred C. Dobbs Posted: October 11, 2008 at 05:54 PM (#2977848)

kevin the troll is now banned so this game chatter should actually be civil and intelligent.

6. Gamingboy Posted: October 11, 2008 at 06:41 PM (#2977863)

Kazmir vs the Red Sox in 2008

Beckett vs. the Rays in 2008

7. tfbg9 Posted: October 11, 2008 at 06:51 PM (#2977867)

Why was kevin banned?

8. Darren Posted: October 11, 2008 at 07:09 PM (#2977874)

He said something nasty to Dan about closing up the political threads.

9. Darren Posted: October 11, 2008 at 07:10 PM (#2977875)

I don't like that lineup. Looks like there will be a lot of empty space in RF.

10. Dan Posted: October 11, 2008 at 07:18 PM (#2977878)

Pictures of that new ballpark they want to build in St. Pete.

As far as I know, those plans were scrapped.

11. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2008 at 07:33 PM (#2977886)

FCD: kevin the troll is now banned so this game chatter should actually be civil and intelligent.

That's funny.

-Why are we platooning Drew? Is he hurt? I'm assuming that this plan is not about Coco's superiority, but about Drew's back.

-The Yankees love AJ Burnett. That would be awesome.

-George W. Bush is instituting collective ownership of the means of production. I mean no political point by this - I think I think Bush is making a good choice - I'm just really weirded out by the whole world right now.

12. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2008 at 07:35 PM (#2977887)

-And kevin's gone from Game Chatter. I always tried to avoid having beef with kevin, cause the dude carries beef like a freezer truck, and it's going to be really weird not to have him around now.

Again, weirded out by the world, overall.

13. ekogan Posted: October 11, 2008 at 07:38 PM (#2977888)

Why is Coco Crisp being platooned with JD Drew for lefties?
Drew hit lefties better than Crisp this year by 135 OPS points.
Although if you go by 2005-2007 three year splits, Crisp is better 757 vs 740 OPS.
Still, I'd trust JD Drew more against a power pitcher.
ESPN's three year splits:
Crisp .988 vs finesse pitchers, .711 vs power
Drew: .870 vs finesse pitchers, .801 vs power.

14. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2008 at 07:41 PM (#2977891)

The only explanation is that Tito and the FO don't think Drew's back can handle a full slate of postseason games. Platooning certainly doesn't make baseball sense, but if Drew can't play every game, then it makes sense to platoon to minimize the loss when he's out.

15. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: October 11, 2008 at 07:43 PM (#2977892)

On the other hand, Crisp is a better baserunner and defender, which doesn't show in OPS. Drew may do better with more rest, too.

16. ekogan Posted: October 11, 2008 at 07:45 PM (#2977894)

George W. Bush is instituting collective ownership of the means of production.

If you want the USA to make or not lose money from the bailout, getting stock for their money would be prudent. Warren Buffett gave a couple of billion to both Goldman Sachs and GE this month and received stock for it. Imitating Buffett is always a good idea. Of course, he received absolutely ridiculous deals from these desperate companies, I doubt the USofA would be able to get the same bargains, but at least, when the government sells back its investment in less panicky times, it will be able to make its money back.

17. ekogan Posted: October 11, 2008 at 07:51 PM (#2977895)

kevin the troll is now banned

Kevin is not a troll, he's just quick with his flame thrower.
He usually starts with a sensible message, and only if someone keeps arguing with him starts with ad hominem attacks.
And anybody who argues with kevin deserves them.

18. Lassus Posted: October 11, 2008 at 07:53 PM (#2977896)

GREETINGS from my undisclosed location!

How does everyone feel about Beckett tonight? I'm wondering if the cowbells will cause him to hurl a ball into the seats.

19. Dan Posted: October 11, 2008 at 07:56 PM (#2977897)

I have no idea what to expect from Beckett. Hopefully he's gotten healthier since his start vs. the Angels.

20. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2008 at 07:58 PM (#2977898)

Not positive on Beckett. He was really, really lucky to give up only 4 runs against the Angels - 2 HR and 4 BB in 6 innings - he was missing several mph off the fastball, and he hung a plethora of breaking pitches.

But pitchers are funny. He got a week off, and he's one of the best in the world if he feels right.

21. Gamingboy Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:01 PM (#2977900)

GREETINGS from my undisclosed location!

Lassus is currently hidden in his secret lair underneath the Smithsonian's Museum of the American Indian.

22. tfbg9 Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:04 PM (#2977901)

Here's hoping Josh can bring it at mor than 92...or he's in trouble.

Bon Jovi--worst band ever? They're way up there.

23. tfbg9 Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:06 PM (#2977902)

Everybody in the Applebee's ad is at least slightly overweight.

You start noticing things like that after seeing the same ads 50 times or more.

24. Gamingboy Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:06 PM (#2977903)

Bon Jovi--worst band ever? They're way up there.

NO.

25. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:06 PM (#2977904)

This hangover is easily in my All Time Top 5 ###### Sideways classics. It has a little bit of everything really. Something for the kids, adults and even dogs of the world. I'm loving it.

26. Lassus Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:07 PM (#2977905)

I could be 400 feet below the Chelsea Market in Manhattan and still have Craig Sager boring through the brick, mortar, concrete, and granite to hurt my brain. And that's just his jackets.

27. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:08 PM (#2977906)

Gamingboy - are you serious? Devo are an excellent band? Quite seminal and they have about 10 songs which leave Whip It for dead.

I'm saddened

28. tfbg9 Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:08 PM (#2977908)

Bon Jovi is far worse tan Devo. Devo was semi-crappy on purpose.

29. Gamingboy Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:08 PM (#2977909)

Lassus, stop lying. I know you are under the Museum of the American Indian, stop trying to lie. It is a habit of mine to know the locations of those with ambitions of Global Domination.

30. Lassus Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:08 PM (#2977910)

You're going to hell for hating on Mark Mothersbaugh like that, Gamingboy.

31. tfbg9 Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:09 PM (#2977911)

Ellsbury needs to bunt here and there...

32. Dan Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:10 PM (#2977912)

He does need to bunt here and there, but I'd rather see him working the count like this to start a game than dropping a bunt.

33. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:10 PM (#2977913)

Once they got two strikes on Ellsbury, everything was down and in. Somebody's got a scouting report.

34. Gamingboy Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:11 PM (#2977914)

I got no problem with Mark Mothersbaugh. I just have a problem with the band he was part of.

35. tfbg9 Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:12 PM (#2977915)

Why don't they use the camera for the K zone thing all the time?

36. tfbg9 Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:12 PM (#2977916)

Better angle, means I.

37. Dan Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:13 PM (#2977917)

That's a good question. It is a much better angle.

38. tfbg9 Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:14 PM (#2977918)

See?

39. Curse of the Graffanino (dfan) Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:14 PM (#2977919)

Greetings from my honeymoon!

40. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:14 PM (#2977920)

Kazmir's missed location by a foot on both attempted sliders.

41. Dan Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:14 PM (#2977921)

Stop saying OR-tiz, goddamnit!

42. Gamingboy Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:14 PM (#2977922)

Okay, since a shocking number of Devo fans are on BBTF, I bring you the undisputed worst act of all time..

At least Bon Jovi is "singing" (if you call it that) when he performs.

43. tfbg9 Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:15 PM (#2977923)

Greetings. Take lots of pitcures of your wife. I did.

44. ekogan Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:15 PM (#2977924)

Craig Sager boring through the brick, mortar, concrete, and granite to hurt my brain. And that's just his jackets.

True story: Craig Sager once showed up for work in a navy blue suit and the security guards didn't recognize him and sent him home.

45. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:15 PM (#2977925)

Greetings. Take lots of pitcures of your wife. I did.

Ambiguity!

46. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:16 PM (#2977926)

Excellent at bat from Big Papi

47. tfbg9 Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:16 PM (#2977927)

They won a Grammy. That's all you need to know about the Grammy's--gaming boy.

48. Lassus Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:16 PM (#2977928)

If Syzm wants to discuss personal freedoms, I'd like him to have a word with the people who exhort me to stand at a baseball game as if it's akin to combing Osama Bin Laden's beard with a pearl comb if I don't.

49. tfbg9 Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:16 PM (#2977929)

45--ah...you caught that!

Sorry, dfan. Couldn't resist.

50. Dan Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:17 PM (#2977930)

At least if they don't get anything here, Kazmir has had to work.

51. Gamingboy Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:17 PM (#2977931)

That IS all you need to know about the Grammy Awards.

52. Chip Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:17 PM (#2977932)

Nice AB Youks.

More pitches!

53. tfbg9 Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:17 PM (#2977933)

48-nah, just makes you a bit if a petty jerkoff, I say. Free country.

54. ekogan Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:18 PM (#2977934)

Tropicana sounds louder today than yesterday.

55. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:18 PM (#2977935)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devo#Style_and_influence

56. tfbg9 Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:18 PM (#2977936)

He should have gotten that 0-1...groan.

57. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:18 PM (#2977938)

Nice ABs, but I note that Youks' hit was more of a dunker - they're not lining Kazmir up yet.

58. Lassus Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:19 PM (#2977939)

DEVOISANAWESOMEBANDSHUTUP!

The slider has disappeared a little bit, but he's going to try and bring it back into to the game? I think Martinez talks just to talk.

59. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:19 PM (#2977940)

The Rays cant let the rest of the free world down by allowing this execrable franchise to go back to the World Series.

60. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:19 PM (#2977942)

28 pitches already. This is a ####### disaster.

61. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:19 PM (#2977943)

What's impressive is that the Sox have not been able to hit Kazmir, but they're putting excellent ABs on him nonetheless.

62. Marcel Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:20 PM (#2977944)

Bay!!!

63. tfbg9 Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:20 PM (#2977945)

BAY!!!

64. Dan Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:20 PM (#2977946)

Jason Bay is the ####### man.

65. Theo Epstein Apologists (Hanley Ramirez Chapter) Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:20 PM (#2977947)

Yaaaaaaaaay, Jason Baaaaaaaaaaaaaay

66. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:20 PM (#2977948)

Oh my ####### god, how could they let that many red sox fans into the stadium?

67. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:20 PM (#2977949)

And now they hit him!

Fun! This is fun!

68. tfbg9 Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:20 PM (#2977950)

Plus, ~30 pitches.

69. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:20 PM (#2977951)

BAY!!!

3 ####### awesome at bats in a row - awesome stuff

70. Gamingboy Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:20 PM (#2977952)

I have come to conclusion that all a team needs to do to defeat the Red Sox is skip out number two and go straight to three.

71. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:20 PM (#2977953)

#### you Rays. What a pathetic showing. ####### die.

72. ekogan Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:21 PM (#2977955)

Beckett is going to need a bigger lead.

73. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:21 PM (#2977956)

72, the inning isn't over yet.

74. Chip Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:21 PM (#2977957)

The Rays cant let the rest of the free world down by allowing this execrable franchise to go back to the World Series.

This is why it's OK to not stand during GBA at Yankee Stadium. Anything that pisses off Yankee fans and Yankee management is A Good Thing.

75. Gamingboy Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:21 PM (#2977958)

Oh my ####### god, how could they let that many red sox fans into the stadium?

Free Market Economy.

76. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:22 PM (#2977959)

You've got a pumped crowd, two outs, nobody on, and you let this happen? That's the epitome of a gutless ####### choke job.

77. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:22 PM (#2977960)

The Rays cant let the rest of the free world down by allowing this execrable franchise to go back to the World Series.

When fans of other teams say stuff like this, I'm a little sad, though I understand and empathize.

When Yankee fans say stuff like this, it's like caramelized manna. Mmmmm.

78. bonifacio's got the good face! Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:22 PM (#2977961)

############# Rays are gonna lay down, aren't they?
o joy o bliss--Soxs in 5, looks like...

79. tfbg9 Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:22 PM (#2977962)

WJ has a bit too much of his self worth wrapped up in the whole
"I hope my rival team loses" thing.

80. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:22 PM (#2977963)

And believe me, as a Yankee fan I know gutless choke jobs when I see them.

81. Dan Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:22 PM (#2977964)

Kazmir isn't right at all.

82. Lassus Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:23 PM (#2977965)

Geez, Kazmir looks like he's never pitched in a playoff game before or something.

83. tfbg9 Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:23 PM (#2977966)

OK, lets go yard.

84. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:23 PM (#2977967)

Now 4 excellent at bats in a row.

85. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:23 PM (#2977968)

While I'm taunting, I should note that there's little reason right now to think Beckett will be able to hold any leads tonight.

86. ekogan Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:23 PM (#2977969)

And believe me, as a Yankee fan I know gutless choke jobs when I see them.

Sweet irony.

87. Curse of the Graffanino (dfan) Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:24 PM (#2977970)

34 pitches already, wow.

88. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:24 PM (#2977971)

The yahoos, frat boys, and drunks are packing the bars in my neighborhood tonight with their stupid accents and fat girlfriends.

89. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:24 PM (#2977972)

How is that irony?

90. tfbg9 Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:24 PM (#2977973)

Just the man Kazmir needs to see...I guess.

91. ekogan Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:24 PM (#2977974)

Varitek at bat, inning over.

92. Chip Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:25 PM (#2977975)

How soon can we expect the Tommy John surgery to be scheduled for Kazmir?

93. Curse of the Graffanino (dfan) Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:25 PM (#2977976)

Classic Varitek

94. bonifacio's got the good face! Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:25 PM (#2977977)

for Christ's sake now throw some cheese past Tek and end this travesty of an innning--thank you.

95. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:25 PM (#2977978)

Haha, only Jason "the bigges ##### on earth" Varitek could cancel Kazmir's suckitude.

96. ekogan Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:25 PM (#2977979)

Historically, the Red Sox fans were more acquainted with choke jobs.

Varitek meets expectations - Ks

97. Gamingboy Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:26 PM (#2977980)

This game still isn't over, but it is now Beckett's game to lose, not the Rays to win.

98. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:26 PM (#2977981)

WJ - if I may give you some unasked advice - move out of Allston/Brighton. The South End, JP, North End, Bay Village, there are good places to live in this city. And then there's Allston/Brighton.

99. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:26 PM (#2977982)

Rutgers is 1-5 and now this!

100. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 11, 2008 at 08:27 PM (#2977983)

MCA,
I live on the corner of Boylston and Exeter.

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