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Boston Red Sox (96-66) @ Colorado Rockies (90-73), Saturday, October 27, 2007, 8:00pm

BOS: Daisuke Matsuzaka (26, RHP, 15-12, 4.40)
COL: Josh Fogg (30, RHP, 10-9, 4.94)

The Primer Chimp Posted: October 27, 2007 at 09:00 AM | 804 comment(s)
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1. Lassus Posted: October 27, 2007 at 11:37 AM (#2595702)

REMEMBER THE ALAMO!

2. nycfan Posted: October 27, 2007 at 12:53 PM (#2595761)

Question: Are these the two whitest teams in baseball? I haven't actually looked at the numbers, but it seems to me that both of these teams have a ton of white guys.

3. Rafael Bellylard (p8p) Posted: October 27, 2007 at 01:23 PM (#2595775)

Any reason other than what Fox wants that this game couldn't have started an hour earlier?

4. Lassus Posted: October 27, 2007 at 01:35 PM (#2595782)

5 PM in Denver might be a shadow problem? Not to defend FOX, mind you.

5. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 27, 2007 at 05:57 PM (#2595963)

The Globe's Extra Bases blog has tonight's lineups:

Red Sox

1. Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
2. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
3. David Ortiz, 1B
4. Manny Ramirez, LF
5. Mike Lowell, 3B
6. J.D. Drew, RF
7. Jason Varitek, C
8. Julio Lugo, SS
9. Daisuke Matsuzaka, P

Rockies

1. Kazuo Matsui, 2B
2. Troy Tulowitzki, SS
3. Matt Holiday, LF
4. Todd Helton, 1B
5. Garrett Atkins, 3B
6. Brad Hawpe, RF
7. Yorvit Torrealba, C
8. Cory Sullivan, CF
9. Josh Fogg, RHP

Hurdle makes the move of going to Sullivan and shoving Tulowitzki into the 2 spot. Making changes just for the sake of making changes is, I think, an underappreciated move in saber circles.

Tacoby Bellsbury into the leadoff slot in a World Series game. I think Coco Crisp can count the number of games that he'll play for the Red Sox in the rest of his career on one hand.

6. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 27, 2007 at 05:58 PM (#2595964)

Question: Are these the two whitest teams in baseball? I haven't actually looked at the numbers, but it seems to me that both of these teams have a ton of white guys.

The Red Sox starting lineup features three white non-Hispanics out of nine tonight.

7. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 27, 2007 at 06:08 PM (#2595971)

Also, Taveras (0-7, 3 K) has generally hit like a guy on whom the Red Sox have a nasty advance scouting report. So, yeah, I think Hurdle's move is a good idea.

8. BaseballDIY Posted: October 27, 2007 at 06:11 PM (#2595973)

The Red Sox starting lineup features three white non-Hispanics out of nine tonight.

Is it fair to say they are two of the non-blackest?

9. villageidiom Posted: October 27, 2007 at 06:50 PM (#2595990)

Tacoby Bellsbury into the leadoff slot in a World Series game.

Kurkjian says it's the first time in World Series history that a team's lineup starts with two rookies, and the first time in 40 years ('67 Red Sox) that a team's lineup features three rookies (the third being Matsuzaka, batting 9th).

10. PJ Martinez Posted: October 27, 2007 at 07:22 PM (#2596003)

"The Red Sox starting lineup features three white non-Hispanics out of nine tonight."

Well, Ellsbury is half Native American, right? Presumably the other half is white non-Hispanic?

Also, where'd Lowell get his last name? Is his father of English descent?

Colorado does seem to have an unusually white team.

Remember the 2002 World Series-- Mike Scoscia's Angels vs. Dusty Baker's Giants? That seemed almost Bird v. Magic-esque to me.

11. Curse of the Graffanino (dfan) Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:03 PM (#2596016)

Is Fenway the only park in the majors where fans don't wave towels?

12. AndrewJ Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:21 PM (#2596026)

The national anthem is sung by Carrie Underwood, who won American Idol on Fox.

The World Series is being telecast by Fox.

The odds of this coincidence: 500 billion to one.

13. Chip Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:21 PM (#2596027)

I thought there was a baseball game in Denver on Fox tonight. Turns out it's the Nuggets: towel waving, video boards giving folks cues when to wave those towels, bad music at ear-splitting volumes, and an arena announcer who confuses his job with that of head cheerleader.

14. The Milton Bradley Effect (Voxter) Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:22 PM (#2596028)

Also, where'd Lowell get his last name? Is his father of English descent?

According to Wikipedia, his father was from Cuba but of Irish and German descent.

15. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:28 PM (#2596032)

Good Luck Rox, and to your fans, especially the guys here at BTF.

Question: Are these the two whitest teams in baseball? I haven't actually looked at the numbers, but it seems to me that both of these teams have a ton of white guys.

Question: Who the f*ck cares? Seriously...

16. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:29 PM (#2596033)

The Red Sox are 6.5 or 7 to 5 favorites in this ballgame, depending on where you look. Counter-intuitive, at least to me.

17. bonifacio's got the good face! Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:31 PM (#2596034)

####, 5 PM Pacific start time my ASS--this ######## seems to get worse every game....

18. Odeen Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:31 PM (#2596035)

McCarver just said that Rockies have only moved runners along with a hit in two games. Haven't there only been two games in the World Series?

19. bonifacio's got the good face! Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:32 PM (#2596036)

baseball is getting less white AND less African-American--
shocking update: both these things can be true.
we now return you to your thread....

20. The Milton Bradley Effect (Voxter) Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:33 PM (#2596037)

Question: Who the f*ck cares? Seriously...

Me? I don't think anybody was accusing anybody of racism or anything. But I find demographics interesting, personally.

That said, the Red Sox aren't a particularly white team, as far as I know. The Rockies start, depending on the day, six to eight non-Hispanic white people. It's kind of an oddity.

21. Dan Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:34 PM (#2596039)

It's not very counter-intuitive to me, Teddy, I imagine the Red Sox will light up Fogg.

22. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:34 PM (#2596040)

I think Coco Crisp can count the number of games that he'll play for the Red Sox in the rest of his career on one hand.

Yeah, maybe. I want to like the guy, I do like his centerfielding a lot--best we've had out there in a long long time, as Dan Dierdorf would say. But then again,Dan did simultaneously endorsed Lays Potato Chips and Ultra Slim Fast.

23. Dan Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:35 PM (#2596041)

When did Budweiser change from "The King of Beers" to "The Great American Lager?"

24. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:35 PM (#2596042)

Is Fogg a groundballer? I hate when the Sox facing groundballers, usually.

25. The Milton Bradley Effect (Voxter) Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:35 PM (#2596043)

Fox's graphics usually annoy me, but that one with Fenway inside Coors was kinda neat.

26. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:36 PM (#2596044)

Ellsbury chasing...

27. Chip Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:37 PM (#2596045)

He's not called "Dragon Slayer" because he beats good teams, you moron. It's because he's beaten some good pitchers head-to-head.

And Dice-K hasn't exactly been an "ace" lately.

28. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:37 PM (#2596046)

Foul 'em off kid.

29. AndrewJ Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:37 PM (#2596047)

Graphic on Fogg: IF STUFF MATCHED HIS HEART, HE'D BE A HALL OF FAMER

And if BS were music, McCarver would be a brass band...

30. Amit Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:38 PM (#2596048)

Has anybody noted how Ellsbury, with the helmet on, resembles Beltran?

31. Dan Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:38 PM (#2596049)

Nice little swinging bunt. Daisuke was an ace for 3 innings vs. Cleveland in Game 7. That was the best I can remember seeing him. Then he just sorta lost it really quickly.

32. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:38 PM (#2596050)

Steal.

33. The Milton Bradley Effect (Voxter) Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:38 PM (#2596051)

Watched the first two games in HD with TiVo. Watching this one on an antenna with some pretty serious shadows. Yeah, a bit of a step down.

I love Jacoby Ellsbury.

34. bonifacio's got the good face! Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:38 PM (#2596052)

let's go, Rockies!--I could not survive an objectively mediocre playoffs AND a Red Sox WS title--gotta make this an interesting Series somehow....

35. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:38 PM (#2596053)

So, is Fogg a groundballer?

36. Marc Sully's not booin'. He's Youkin'. Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:39 PM (#2596054)

Teddy Facking Ball Game is right.

Steal.

37. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:39 PM (#2596055)

#30-I think so.

38. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:40 PM (#2596056)

So, is Fogg a groundballer?

39. Dan Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:40 PM (#2596057)

Two infield hits!

40. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:40 PM (#2596058)

Lucky lucky lucky.

41. Marc Sully's not booin'. He's Youkin'. Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:41 PM (#2596059)

He's a slight GB pitcher.

42. The Milton Bradley Effect (Voxter) Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:41 PM (#2596060)

Why don't you look it up?

43. bonifacio's got the good face! Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:41 PM (#2596061)

ok, let me be the first to call 3 run bomb and series sweep--

44. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:41 PM (#2596062)

yeah tim, no way you get pedroia.

i don't get it. why does everyone say he's fast all of a sudden?

45. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:41 PM (#2596063)

Helton looks like he's one of those Civil War Re-enactment guys.

46. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:42 PM (#2596064)

41-Thank you.

42-Blow me. ;)

47. Dan Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:42 PM (#2596065)

His career G/F rate is 1.18 Teddy. So I would say no. (1.05 this year)

48. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:42 PM (#2596066)

gb/fb 1.05 this season.

49. Marc Sully's not booin'. He's Youkin'. Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:42 PM (#2596067)

So if Helton is Stonewall Jackson and Brian Fuentes is Jewel, who is Kaz Matsui?

50. Dan Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:43 PM (#2596068)

i don't get it. why does everyone say he's fast all of a sudden?

He's a small middle infielder who hits leadoff, of course he's fast! Don't be crazy!

51. Dan Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:43 PM (#2596069)

Weak Ortiz, weak.

52. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:43 PM (#2596070)

Wow, worst Papi AB ever. Just crap. WTF? The shoulder maybe?

53. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:43 PM (#2596071)

who's this first baseman? who are you and what have you done with my overweight dh?

54. Chip Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:44 PM (#2596072)

Papi guess wrong every time he swung in that AB. And chased out of the zone.

55. The Milton Bradley Effect (Voxter) Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:44 PM (#2596073)

42-Blow me. ;)

I started to look it up, and then I thought, "Wait a minute, couldn't he do this?" And then, despite the fact that I now wanted to know, I decided to thwart you instead. Luckily, we got our answer.

56. bonifacio's got the good face! Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:44 PM (#2596074)

that was NOT 5 pitches away--what about the foul ball--are you ####### blind?

57. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:45 PM (#2596075)

who is Kaz Matsui?

In an old Hollywood flick, he'd be the cook.

58. The Milton Bradley Effect (Voxter) Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:45 PM (#2596077)

So if Helton is Stonewall Jackson and Brian Fuentes is Jewel, who is Kaz Matsui?

Aaron Burr?

59. Chip Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:45 PM (#2596076)

Can someone, somewhere in the Fox booth please go and punch Joe Buck in the head for saying yet again that Pedroia has "great speed"?

60. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:46 PM (#2596078)

The 2-0 was crap. Meat. BP.

61. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:46 PM (#2596079)

Can someone, somewhere in the Fox booth please go and punch Joe Buck in the head for saying yet again that Pedroia has "great speed"?

wouldn't it be great if someone at the game, in the booth read this and actually punched him in the head? god, i would love that.

62. Dan Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:47 PM (#2596080)

Is it me or was that 2-1 pitch on Fox box nowhere close to where it actually was?

63. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:47 PM (#2596081)

Newbie fans.

64. Richard Gadsden Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:47 PM (#2596082)

If that had been Holliday hitting and Manny in the field, that's a double.

65. Chip Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:47 PM (#2596083)

Video board just told them to wave their towels.

66. bonifacio's got the good face! Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:47 PM (#2596084)

huge AB here--single kills this crowd, getting Lowell fires em up even more....

67. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:48 PM (#2596085)

Aggravating. Major squander now.

68. Marc Sully's not booin'. He's Youkin'. Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:48 PM (#2596086)

Un. Daunted.

69. The Milton Bradley Effect (Voxter) Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:48 PM (#2596087)

Dammit, Manny.

So, anybody got any last-minute costume ideas? I'm going to a party after the game, and at this point, my plan is to get one of those "Hello, my name is" stickers and write "Danger" on it.

70. Dan Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:49 PM (#2596088)

On the plus side, if Matsuzaka gets this zone, he can be good.

71. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:49 PM (#2596090)

Damn. He's behind everybody, seemingly.

3-1--HACK!!!

72. Chip Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:49 PM (#2596089)

Fogg apparently wants to fall behind every single hitter so he can throw slop in hitter's counts. Like that 86 MPH little nothing slider on 2-0 to Lowell.

73. Chip Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:50 PM (#2596091)

Big board says "Wave Your Towels!"

74. The Milton Bradley Effect (Voxter) Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:50 PM (#2596092)

That was a scintillating inning from Josh Fogg.

75. Dan Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:50 PM (#2596093)

So the Red Sox pretty easily have the GIDP record for a playoffs, do they have the LOB record too?

76. Amit Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:50 PM (#2596094)

Fox's Widespread Panic outtake music is nice.

77. The Milton Bradley Effect (Voxter) Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:51 PM (#2596095)

I must confess that I am a sucker for the stupid laughing baby commercials. No one tell my girlfriend.

78. bonifacio's got the good face! Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:51 PM (#2596096)

63. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:47 PM (#2596081)
Newbie fans.

65. Chip Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:47 PM (#2596083)
Video board just told them to wave their towels.

there's something in the Bible about "motes" and "beams", you snobs--
(and yes, as a temporary Rockies fan, I gain the ability to make telling Biblical allusions)

79. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:51 PM (#2596097)

Not good.

So, this ballpark is what to CF? How does Fenway "fit" inside it? Fenway's ~420 to slight right center? Or did they slide Fenway "down" because of the tiny fould territory?

80. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:53 PM (#2596099)

I'm fairly certain Dice is gonna get clobbered. Not optimistic.

81. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:54 PM (#2596100)

there's something in the Bible about "motes" and "beams", you snobs--
(and yes, as a temporary Rockies fan, I gain the ability to make telling Biblical allusions)

as an avowed atheist, i have to say: keep your church out of my crotch. (i just like the phrase.)

but seriously, towels? give a break. when you don't have a history, you have things like towels.

82. Dan Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:54 PM (#2596101)

Good start defensively in that big OF guys.

83. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:54 PM (#2596102)

There you go. We lose.

84. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:55 PM (#2596104)

Drew hurried too much. He had time to just make a normal play.

85. bonifacio's got the good face! Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:55 PM (#2596105)

ok, all star "they're not booing, they're..." team:

C Boone
1B Lou G
2B Lou W
ss Tulo
3b ?
RF Drew
CF
LF
DH

86. Chip Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:56 PM (#2596106)

Ahead in the count. Here comes the nibble.

87. The Milton Bradley Effect (Voxter) Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:56 PM (#2596107)

Towels > thunder sticks

88. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:56 PM (#2596108)

Nibbling like a f*cking hamster.

89. Chip Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:56 PM (#2596109)

Nibble #1.

90. Dan Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:56 PM (#2596110)

3b: YOOOUUKKKK

D'uh

91. Chip Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:56 PM (#2596111)

Nibble #2.

92. Lawa Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:57 PM (#2596112)

CF- Moooookie

93. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:57 PM (#2596113)

Was that the cutter 3-2?

94. The Milton Bradley Effect (Voxter) Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:57 PM (#2596114)

Coors Field. I think they must have included foul territory.

3b ?

Youuuuk!

95. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:57 PM (#2596115)

How did he miss that? Huh.

96. Chip Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:57 PM (#2596116)

Challenged!

97. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:58 PM (#2596117)

Towels > thunder sticks

towels are better than the angels, and anything the angels can come up with, in general. stupid rally monkey.

which raises the question, does colorado have a rally mountain?

98. The Milton Bradley Effect (Voxter) Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:58 PM (#2596118)

It does look like a goddamned airport after Fenway, doesn't it?

99. tfbg9 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:59 PM (#2596119)

Holliday at home is scarey as all hell.

100. Dan Posted: October 27, 2007 at 08:59 PM (#2596120)

Nice play by Daisuke!

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