BBTF's Game Chatter Discussion :: Boston Red Sox (96-66) @ Colorado Rockies (90-73), Sunday, October 28, 2007, 8:00pm

Game Chatter
— Where Thinking Fans Discuss Today's Games

Sunday, October 28, 2007

Boston Red Sox (96-66) @ Colorado Rockies (90-73), Sunday, October 28, 2007, 8:00pm

BOS: Jon Lester (23, LHP, 4-0, 4.57)
COL: Aaron Cook (28, RHP, 8-7, 4.12)

The Primer Chimp Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:00 AM | 672 comment(s)
Related News:

Reader Comments and Retorts

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

Page 1 of 7 pages 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >

1. RMc is the President of the United States Posted: October 28, 2007 at 12:39 PM (#2597116)

Dear Baseball,

Please stop giving us World Series that totally suck balls.

Your pal,
RMc

2. Dan Evensen Posted: October 28, 2007 at 02:02 PM (#2597165)

No kidding. The last 6 game series was in 2003. This will be four straight years of lame, one-sided contests.

From my research, MLB has not experienced so many lame Series in a row since 1913-1916.

3. tfbg9 Posted: October 28, 2007 at 04:43 PM (#2597226)

Again, and hopefully for the last time this time, Good Luck to the Rox and their followers, especially all their fans at this here site.

Cook's a pretty big-time groundballer, right? If he's on, that may both give the Sox trouble, and annoy the hell out of me, as for some reason I get all angry and stuff when some guy succesfully groundballs the Red Sox.

Make him come at you, and take him oppo whenever possible. That's how you beat a groundballer. Easier said than done, of course.

4. PJ Martinez Posted: October 28, 2007 at 05:42 PM (#2597247)

1. Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
2. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
3. David Ortiz, 1B
4. Manny Ramirez, LF
5. Mike Lowell, 3B
6. J.D. Drew, RF
7. Jason Varitek, C
8. Julio Lugo, SS
9. Jon Lester, LHP

1. Kazuo Matsui, 2B
2. Troy Tulowitzki, SS
3. Matt Holliday, LF
4. Todd Helton, 1B
5. Garrett Atkins, 3B
6. Ryan Spilborghs, CF
7. Brad Hawpe, RF
8. Yorvit Torrealba, C
9. Aaron Cook, RHP

5. Darren Posted: October 28, 2007 at 05:48 PM (#2597250)

Hard to believe that Ellsbury and Pedroia are both playing such a big role in a successful team.

6. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 28, 2007 at 07:26 PM (#2597284)

I'd love to win tonight. 7-0 would be the coolest thing ever for the girls.

7. Answer Guy Posted: October 28, 2007 at 07:44 PM (#2597292)

I have a hard time picturing that I could be surprised by anything that happens tonight.

I'm 50/50 here. I think the Sox offense has a slightly better chance of turning the game into a blowout but I give the Rockies the edge in a close game.

For the Red Sox, Okajima is really not an option tonight, and Papelbon is probably limited. Delcarmen and Timlin did work last night - they're probably available but you're not going to push either too much. That means that there's a good chance that any late high leverage innings may end up involving pitchers I don't really trust on the mound.

Colorado has used a lot of relivers too, but I think they're A-list guys are a bit more rested.

8. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: October 28, 2007 at 07:47 PM (#2597294)

If we don't finish this thing off... yeah.

I think they're A-list guys are a bit more rested.

I think everybody last night went other than Corpas and Speier. Matt Herges and Affeldt were unhittable last night, but we scored off of Fuentes.

9. Answer Guy Posted: October 28, 2007 at 07:49 PM (#2597296)

I like my odds better in Game 5 than in Game 4, just because Beckett > Lester, I would expect the bullpen A-list to be better rested if there's a game tomorrow, and in any event the Sox have proven they can handle Francis.

10. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:04 PM (#2597304)

it should be illegal to list the game as starting at 8:00 when first pitch is at 8:29. fuxing axholes. i hate fox.

11. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:05 PM (#2597305)

For the Red Sox, Okajima is really not an option tonight, and Papelbon is probably limited. Delcarmen and Timlin did work last night - they're probably available but you're not going to push either too much. That means that there's a good chance that any late high leverage innings may end up involving pitchers I don't really trust on the mound.

dude, this is game 4 of the world series with the sox up 3-0. if it's close and late, they're available.

12. Answer Guy Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:10 PM (#2597310)

dude, this is game 4 of the world series with the sox up 3-0. if it's close and late, they're available.

Yes, but I don't have much confidence in Okajima doing well if he's summoned to pitch tonight; he threw 29 pitches last night. Or, really, Timlin. He got the two outs he had two but neither one was confidence-inspiring. Papelbon faced 5 batters; I could see him coming in but I'm not sure I'd be confident asking him to get >3 outs again.

13. Joe Bivens, Ditch Digger Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:14 PM (#2597314)

I smell another blowout. When was the last time Cook pitched?

14. Joe Bivens, Ditch Digger Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:18 PM (#2597319)

He hasn't pitched since August 10th. The Rockies are obviously desperate, but this seems silly.

15. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:18 PM (#2597320)

I smell another blowout. When was the last time Cook pitched?

Before Lu got pregnant with the Wondertwins!

16. Answer Guy Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:20 PM (#2597321)

Lester hasn't pitched that much in a while either.

17. Joe Bivens, Ditch Digger Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:20 PM (#2597322)

I hope that's not true, Phil. Because that would make your kids kittens, or something.

18. tfbg9 Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:20 PM (#2597323)

Hopefully for us, Cook will be as rusty as coventional wisdom might suggest. Wait and see...and did I mention how much I hate watching the Sox get groudballed to death?

19. plink Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:21 PM (#2597325)

dude, this is game 4 of the world series with the sox up 3-0. if it's close and late, they're available.

I disagree. With Beckett going tomorrow and the Sox up 3-0, I'd be tempted to limit Okajima + Papelbon to an out or two each, or 10 pitches. This is probably the Imp of the Perverse talking, but with a 3/4 run lead in the 9th, I'd give the ball to Gagne (with Papelbon warming, of course).

20. Joe Bivens, Ditch Digger Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:22 PM (#2597326)

Correct me if I'm wrong, Sandy, but they don't have 3/4 runs in baseball, do they?

(I know what you meant.)

21. Miko Supports Shane's Spam Habit Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:24 PM (#2597327)

they don't have 3/4 runs in baseball, do they?

Is that when two batters draw walks, and then you strand them? I think the Sox lead the league.

22. Miko Supports Shane's Spam Habit Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:24 PM (#2597329)

When the Rockies shut down Aaron Cook for the season, I thought it their wild card chase was over.

23. plink Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:25 PM (#2597330)

Hmmm. I probably wouldn't go to Gagne if the Sox had a fractional run lead, you're right. Also, Sandy?

24. Joe Bivens, Ditch Digger Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:27 PM (#2597332)

Caddyshack reference.

25. Chip Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:28 PM (#2597333)

Scoreboard says "WAVE YOUR WHITE TOWELS!!!!!!!"

26. plink Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:28 PM (#2597334)

Caddyshack reference.

Ahh... I still haven't seen that since I've been old enough to understand it. I should rectify that.

Fred Willard?

27. Chip Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:29 PM (#2597335)

It's 5:29, and the first pitch hasn't been thrown. I'm shocked, shocked, shocked.

28. Joe Bivens, Ditch Digger Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:29 PM (#2597336)

Fred Willard? No, Bill Murray.

29. Joe Bivens, Ditch Digger Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:30 PM (#2597337)

Off to my lucky spot!

30. Chip Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:30 PM (#2597338)

It's 5:30, and the first pitch hasn't been thrown.

31. Chip Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:31 PM (#2597339)

Good approach against the sinkerball.

32. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:32 PM (#2597340)

I love him!!!

33. Chip Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:32 PM (#2597342)

#### the bunt.

34. Chip Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:32 PM (#2597343)

Better choice.

35. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:33 PM (#2597344)

Why is he showing bunt in the first frigging inning?? C'Mon dusty

36. PJ Martinez Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:33 PM (#2597345)

Infield in hurts Colorado. Why'd they do that?

37. Chip Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:33 PM (#2597346)

Infield in? Clint Hurdle already panicking.

38. ChadBradfordWannabe Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:33 PM (#2597347)

bunting? IF in? I know this isn't Coors Field of 2001, but still....

39. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:34 PM (#2597348)

infield in for Papi?

40. TWO!-OH!-OH!-OH! CLAP!-CLAP!-CLAP!CLAP!CLAP! Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:34 PM (#2597349)

Is bunting at Coors with a non-pitcher before the 8th inning ever a good idea?

41. Chip Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:34 PM (#2597350)

They still give up the run if they play back, but they get an out on that.

42. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:34 PM (#2597351)

Would a 2nd baseman in his normal position grabbed that??

43. bonifacio's got the good face! Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:35 PM (#2597353)

damn, the Rockies have a historically great defense,
and yet I've seen more ground ball singles in this WS than I can remember......
small sample size, of course

44. Chip Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:35 PM (#2597354)

Manny late on an 88 MPH pitch. Not picking the ball up out of Cook's hand? Or guessing wrong?

45. Chip Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:36 PM (#2597355)

Note that Ellsbury was the only guy to go the other way, and the only guy to put the ball in the air to the outfield. Wish the other three guys had taken note.

46. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:37 PM (#2597356)

I'm happy with a run there

47. TWO!-OH!-OH!-OH! CLAP!-CLAP!-CLAP!CLAP!CLAP! Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:40 PM (#2597357)

Lester's a real man. Score that P1.

48. plink Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:40 PM (#2597358)

I'll take Fred Willard over Brad Garrett any day. Phew.

49. Sandlapper Spike Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:40 PM (#2597359)

You don't see a pitcher catching a popup that often.

50. John DiFool2 Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:40 PM (#2597360)

Gun really slow? 84 on that popup...

51. ChadBradfordWannabe Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:41 PM (#2597361)

As a pitcher, I loved F-1's and 1-3's....these events were "almost" better than strikeouts.

52. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:42 PM (#2597363)

Flattery by Association???

53. ChadBradfordWannabe Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:43 PM (#2597364)

BTW, that's a good look at cutter/slider spin....the gyro dot on the ball.

54. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:44 PM (#2597366)

Good start for Lester

55. Bull Pain Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:45 PM (#2597367)

Somewhat random trivia: Fred Willard subscribes to Baseball America.

56. ChadBradfordWannabe Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:45 PM (#2597368)

It's almost like the gun is picking up the speed at the plate. I wonder if that's the reading that's being posted on the Stadium gun in order to make Lester believe he has no stuff.

57. tfbg9 Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:47 PM (#2597371)

That's it. Throw strikes. Just play catch with Ol' Cappy Jar', kid, and see what happens.

58. ChadBradfordWannabe Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:47 PM (#2597372)

It's almost like the gun is picking up the speed at the plate.

Just checked MLB Gameday and all the pitches I remember are in agreement (between the FOX gun and MLB gameday)

59. tfbg9 Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:47 PM (#2597373)

Stop pulling the sinker. Arrgh!!!

60. Chip Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:47 PM (#2597374)

Four guys in a row trying to pull the sinker. Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.

61. Chip Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:48 PM (#2597376)

Five guys in a row trying to pull the sinker. Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.

62. PJ Martinez Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:48 PM (#2597377)

Maybe this game will be less than four hours long. Or it'll go into extras and end at 1:30.

63. Textbook Editor Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:50 PM (#2597379)

Gotta work the counts, guys....

64. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:50 PM (#2597380)

Another tight zone

65. Chip Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:50 PM (#2597381)

Six guys in a row trying to pull the sinker.

66. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:51 PM (#2597382)

I hope Drew and Lowell have different approaches, next time up.....

67. John DiFool2 Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:52 PM (#2597384)

That thing is a sinker?

It doesn't resemble the sinkers of Carmona and Wang, at all.

68. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:55 PM (#2597387)

#### you and your 8 day lay off Buck, you are such a fukktard

69. PJ Martinez Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:56 PM (#2597388)

Ellsbury shoulda had him there, or at least made it close.

70. PJ Martinez Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:56 PM (#2597389)

Or maybe not. Still, seems like he could have got there sooner.

He's no Coco in the field-- yet.

71. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:57 PM (#2597390)

Ellsbury shoulda had him there, or at least made it close.

what could he have done differently?

72. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:57 PM (#2597391)

ok, got ya.

73. PJ Martinez Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:57 PM (#2597392)

Papi flashing leather. Wish his knees were in better shape.

74. Chip Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:58 PM (#2597393)

Lester's pitch location to Helton was as bad as Lopez's to Hawpe last night.

75. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:58 PM (#2597394)

Papi!!

76. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:58 PM (#2597395)

lester's up a bit on all these pitches.

77. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:59 PM (#2597396)

Lester's pitch location to Helton was as bad as Lopez's to Hawpe last night

It was deja vu for me as well. Good call

78. PJ Martinez Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:02 PM (#2597398)

Lester needs a more generous zone. He's going to have trouble.

79. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:02 PM (#2597399)

back later guys

80. tfbg9 Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:02 PM (#2597400)

Uh-oh. Not good.

81. Chip Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:03 PM (#2597402)

Lefties seem to hang in very well against Lester, at least at this point in his career. The cutter doesn't work against them.

82. tfbg9 Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:04 PM (#2597403)

0-2, two on. Uh-oh.

83. Chip Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:04 PM (#2597404)

Standup fastball success rate declines. Again.

84. TWO!-OH!-OH!-OH! CLAP!-CLAP!-CLAP!CLAP!CLAP! Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:05 PM (#2597406)

21 outs to a title.

85. Chip Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:05 PM (#2597407)

Nice recovery.

86. tfbg9 Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:06 PM (#2597408)

We'll accept that.

87. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:06 PM (#2597409)

No run there - awesome.

88. tfbg9 Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:07 PM (#2597410)

NOW STOP PULLING THE SINKER!!!

89. Chip Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:09 PM (#2597411)

Well, he didn't pull it anyway.

90. bosoxbluesfan Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:09 PM (#2597412)

What's gotten into Lugo? With his recent hot streak, I stopped thinking he was an automatic out.....and then....

91. TWO!-OH!-OH!-OH! CLAP!-CLAP!-CLAP!CLAP!CLAP! Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:11 PM (#2597413)

2007 gets my vote.

92. Chip Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:12 PM (#2597414)

Now even Ellsbury's trying to pull the ball. ####.

93. tfbg9 Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:13 PM (#2597415)

I really hate facing sinkerballers. Very frustrating.

94. bosoxbluesfan Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:14 PM (#2597416)

Who would have thought that Lester and Cook would be the starters who could pitch some quick innings?

95. TWO!-OH!-OH!-OH! CLAP!-CLAP!-CLAP!CLAP!CLAP! Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:15 PM (#2597417)

Steroids don't make great athletes. They make great athletes better.

96. Textbook Editor Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:15 PM (#2597418)

Really gotta make Cook work, and they aren't doing it. Hopefully it won't come back to bite them. You can't expect Lester to go more than 6 innings, 2 ER--in fact I'd be very, very pleased with that.

97. PJ Martinez Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:18 PM (#2597419)

The Manny in Colorado factor finally rears its ugly head.

98. Chip Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:18 PM (#2597420)

Oh Manny.

99. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:19 PM (#2597422)

Tim McCarver: "Let me take a moment to remind you that I anticipated this exact scenario when I said several days ago...."

I hate listening to this guy. MUTE.

100. Textbook Editor Posted: October 28, 2007 at 09:19 PM (#2597423)

And, Tim--don't forget to say if Matsui runs hard out of the box he has a triple... oh, wait, I forgot... you were on your soapbox there about Manny.

Page 1 of 7 pages 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

<< Back to main

Sunday, October 28, 2007

Boston Red Sox (96-66) @ Colorado Rockies (90-73), Sunday, October 28, 2007, 8:00pm

Reader Comments and Retorts

Support BBTF

My Bookmarks

Hot Topics