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Thursday, July 31, 2008

Chicago Cubs (64-44) @ Milwaukee Brewers (60-48), Thursday, July 31, 2008, 2:05pm

CHC: Rich Harden (26, RHP, 5-2, 2.10)
MIL: David Bush (28, RHP, 5-8, 4.51)

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1. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: July 31, 2008 at 11:34 AM (#2883998)

I think I'm going to the movies at 4 or 5, so the Cubs should stack up runs early and let me go to the theater without any worries.

2. SouthSideRyan(CASEY'S GONE!!) Posted: July 31, 2008 at 12:23 PM (#2884076)

Yost benches Hart for Kapler and moves Braun to 5th with Hardy 3rd.

Yay Ned!!

3. Meatwad Posted: July 31, 2008 at 01:01 PM (#2884178)

i think to complete the sweep and the domiance of this series, hardner needs to k 15 and no hit them and with todays line up it could very well happen

4. Stevens Posted: July 31, 2008 at 01:03 PM (#2884182)

Okay Cubs, let's keep it going.

Aramis has burned Bush a little in 24 PAs. Lee, not so much in 19. Soriano has been okay in 22. Only Ray Ray and Cameron have ever seen Harden.

Silly a stat as it is, I would love to see Harden get his first Cubs win today just so people stop talking about the lack thereof.

5. CFiJ Posted: July 31, 2008 at 01:07 PM (#2884192)

How much longer till game time? I don't really feel like doing the time zone math...

6. Giantandre Posted: July 31, 2008 at 01:12 PM (#2884208)

2pm East
1pm Cent
12noon Mtn
11am PAC

My brain hurts

7. Meatwad Posted: July 31, 2008 at 01:15 PM (#2884213)

sweet i can watch this game from my hotel room, now i need to think of a way to get off duty in time so i can

8. Meatwad Posted: July 31, 2008 at 01:16 PM (#2884221)

9pm in incirlik

9. Meatwad Posted: July 31, 2008 at 01:40 PM (#2884268)

Yanks, Red Sox eyeing Eyre

Thursday, July 31, 2008 | Print Entry

Posted by Jayson Stark

That never-ending Yankees-Red Sox intrigue has found its way to Scott Eyre. Both clubs are in on the Cubs left-hander, who is expected to be moved for a very modest return. But both teams also have him as a back burner option as they search for more impactful bullpen help.

10. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: July 31, 2008 at 01:41 PM (#2884274)

Does this mean he sits in someone else's bullpen for 20-odd games without being used?

11. Cabbage Posted: July 31, 2008 at 01:42 PM (#2884277)

2pm East
1pm Cent
12noon Mtn
11am PAC

2:30pm Newfoundland

12. CFiJ Posted: July 31, 2008 at 01:43 PM (#2884281)

I'm sorry, I should have been a little clearer. What time is it over there now? Or, if someone wants to figure out what time the game starts in JST (Japan Standard Time), that'd be cool, too. I assume BBTF's timestamp is on Eastern time?

13. Weeks T. Olive Posted: July 31, 2008 at 01:45 PM (#2884292)

Game starts in about 20 min, CFiJ.

14. Meatwad Posted: July 31, 2008 at 01:46 PM (#2884294)

cfij it starts in about 15-20 minutes.

15. CFiJ Posted: July 31, 2008 at 01:48 PM (#2884304)

Awesome Weeks, thanks. Meat, you owe Weeks a Coke.

16. Moses Taylor didn't fall far from the awesome tree Posted: July 31, 2008 at 01:56 PM (#2884329)

Off to lunch to watch the first half or so of the game. I'll be back with my thoughts at that point.

17. Moses Taylor didn't fall far from the awesome tree Posted: July 31, 2008 at 01:58 PM (#2884337)

Cubs with the good lineup today, BTW. Nice to see Edmonds back (gosh, I can't believe I just said that).

18. Meatwad Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:03 PM (#2884356)

soriano
theriot
lee
aram
fukudome
derosa
edmonds
soto
harden

for the brewers
weeks
counsiell
hardy
fielder
braun
kaplan
cameron
kendell
bush

19. Stevens Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:12 PM (#2884369)

Do the Cubs lead the league in double plays? It feels like it.

20. Stevens Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:13 PM (#2884370)

Though I wonder if DPs are a product of improved OBP...

21. Carl Spongberg Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:15 PM (#2884378)

Stevens, that’s an interesting thought. I’m sure bbref could answer that, but I’m not good enough at using the site to figure it out.

22. Cabbage Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:15 PM (#2884379)

King Alfonso
He who will not take it anymore
Bruce
Porthos
Mad Max
Of the Rose
Earthworm
Don Goatee
Don't be so sophmoric

Fornights
Attorney
Full Meal
Oxymoron
Paper Towel
Princeton Review
Senegal's rival
Jackson
Gore

23. Meatwad Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:20 PM (#2884388)

it says counsill flied into double play in left
what happened

24. CFiJ Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:21 PM (#2884390)

Nice play by Alfonso...I guess from Gameday....

25. whoisalhedges Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:22 PM (#2884397)

How the #### does anybody get doubled off first on a FO7?

I'm done with Rickie. I wish him well, but on another team. This is just ridiculous.

26. Stevens Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:23 PM (#2884398)

Must have been a heck of a throw from Soriano.

27. Carl Spongberg Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:23 PM (#2884400)

Harveys is right when he complains about Brewers on the bases. They are rubbish.

28. Carl Spongberg Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:24 PM (#2884405)

It was a good throw, but mostly it was really bad baserunning. Fun fact: The throw got away from Lee so both Lee and Weeks had to dive into first from opposite sides.

29. isaacc7 Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:25 PM (#2884406)

Soriano threw high, DLee knocked it down, found the ball, and then dived to first just in time for the out... It was a lot more exciting than it should have been...

30. Carl Spongberg Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:25 PM (#2884407)

BTW: The ONLY explanation is that Weeks lost track of the number of outs. Which seems impossible in the first inning, but here it is.

31. CFiJ Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:26 PM (#2884408)

Must have been a heck of a throw from Soriano.

I'm guessing bad route followed by great throw. The former made Weeks think he had a chance, and the latter nailed him when Alfonso pulled off a miracle catch.

32. CFiJ Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:26 PM (#2884409)

Or, what Carl and isaacc7 said.

33. CFiJ Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:27 PM (#2884417)

BTW: The ONLY explanation is that Weeks lost track of the number of outs. Which seems impossible in the first inning, but here it is.

He thought Craig Counsell was batting clean-up???

34. Cabbage Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:28 PM (#2884418)

BTW, if anyone will be down around Hammond,IN tomorrow, some fellows and I will be watching the afternoon game from the Three Floyds Brew Pub.

35. Carl Spongberg Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:29 PM (#2884424)

He thought Craig Counsell was batting clean-up???

I’m as flabbergasted as you are. Weeks is stupid or really really bad at baseball.

36. Carl Spongberg Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:31 PM (#2884428)

Worst first two innings of the series? Of course that happens against Dave Bush.

37. Stevens Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:32 PM (#2884434)

Did Ryan Braun really just try to bunt his way on?

38. Meatwad Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:33 PM (#2884438)

why is braun bunting (at least according to sportsline

39. Carl Spongberg Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:36 PM (#2884453)

Ramirez was playing back, so why not. It didn’t work, but kept the infield honest.

40. Weeks T. Olive Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:40 PM (#2884465)

I think Dave Bush looks like a bearded Kirk Cameron in his Yahoo photo.

41. Carl Spongberg Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:40 PM (#2884468)

That changeup is rather good.

42. Sweet Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:41 PM (#2884473)

mmm...TOFU.

43. Meatwad Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:42 PM (#2884477)

edmonds homered, ill take it i suppose

44. Carl Spongberg Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:42 PM (#2884479)

Weeks, you inspired me to re-watch the Kirk Cameron banana video. Fun was had by all.

45. Stevens Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:42 PM (#2884481)

Sweet TOFU!

46. Carl Spongberg Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:43 PM (#2884485)

I like Jim Edmonds. He hits homeruns for the Cubs.

47. isaacc7 Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:44 PM (#2884489)

ugh, that was ugly
welcome to the NL Harden...

48. Esoteric roots for the two worst teams in baseball Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:44 PM (#2884490)

If Manny had done what Rich Harden just did, he would've been executed on the spot.

What I want to know is why the infield fly rule wasn't in effect.

49. Dan Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:44 PM (#2884491)

Even if Harden is running there, isn't the smart move to let it drop and get Soto? I'd rather make Harden run the bases than Soto, I think.

50. isaacc7 Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:46 PM (#2884497)

Don't you have to have runners at first and second? Or at least 2 baserunners or something....

51. isaacc7 Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:46 PM (#2884501)

... for the infield fly rule that is.

52. Stevens Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:48 PM (#2884507)

Crew pitchers smacking it around.

53. isaacc7 Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:48 PM (#2884510)

Alright, there has to be a force play at third with less than two out for the infield fly rule to take effect.

54. Carl Spongberg Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:48 PM (#2884512)

I believe you’re correct sir. … about the infield fly rule, that is.

55. Weeks T. Olive Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:51 PM (#2884522)

I'm amused by the Yahoo description of that Harden play (emphasis mine):

"R. Harden unknown into double play third to shortstop to second, G. Soto out at second"

56. isaacc7 Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:51 PM (#2884524)

Hmm, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infield_fly_rule the infield fly rule cannot be invoked on a bunt. That seems odd to me.

57. Esoteric roots for the two worst teams in baseball Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:53 PM (#2884530)

Wow, these little technicalities surrounding the infield fly rule remind me of the ins and outs of contract law or something.

58. Carl Spongberg Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:55 PM (#2884540)

I wonder how many friendships have been ruined forever over the infield fly rule in beer league softball.

59. Carl Spongberg Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:57 PM (#2884546)

Harden’s a cyborg, right? As a Cub: 34 strikeouts in 20.1 innings. He doesn’t miss time to injuries, but to faulty hydraulics and glitches in the software.

60. Cabbage Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:58 PM (#2884548)

In college, I asked a girl to marry me when I found out she knew the infield fly rule. Turns out, that is a pretty good pickup line.

61. Cabbage Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:59 PM (#2884550)

For the record, I am marrying an altogether different girl next weekend.

62. Giantandre Posted: July 31, 2008 at 02:59 PM (#2884551)

When I used to coach Pony league (13 & 14 YO's) The infield fly and batting out of order came up at least 5 times a season and always incorrectly called and giant pow wow's would break out about how to apply the rule

63. Giantandre Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:00 PM (#2884555)

Now if we could just get D Lee back on track

64. Carl Spongberg Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:01 PM (#2884563)

Cabbage, it sounds like a good pickup line. Doesn’t work so well on European girls, I’d imagine. Congratulations on the upcoming nuptials, but I have to ask: Does the bride to be know the rule?

65. Carl Spongberg Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:02 PM (#2884564)

Giantandre: The important thing is to have him bat with the bases empty. Then his double-play grounders won’t hurt so much.

66. Giantandre Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:02 PM (#2884565)

That looked intentional ----

67. retro-shiite Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:04 PM (#2884570)

Bite my ass, Doug Eddings.

68. SouthSideRyan(CASEY'S GONE!!) Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:04 PM (#2884571)

TOFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

69. Meatwad Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:04 PM (#2884576)

2-2 2 HR 5 RBI
i like tofu he hits home runs for the cubs

70. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:04 PM (#2884579)

MAKE IT HURT, JIMMY, MAKE IT ####### HURT!!!

71. Giantandre Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:04 PM (#2884580)

I just cheered for Jim Edmonds and I feel good about it .....

72. BeanoCook Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:04 PM (#2884581)

The methodical beatdown continues.

73. CFiJ Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:04 PM (#2884582)

Damn. Edmonds again. He's on fire.

74. Cabbage Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:04 PM (#2884583)

Does the bride to be know the rule?

Not whatsoever.

OH FREAKING JIMMY!!!!!

75. Sweet Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:04 PM (#2884584)

I LOVE TOFU!

76. Meatwad Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:04 PM (#2884586)

well folsk im off duty time to go back to the hotel and watch the rest of this beat down

77. Weeks T. Olive Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:05 PM (#2884587)

So Jim Edmonds is a fully accepted Cub now, right?

78. Carl Spongberg Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:05 PM (#2884588)

Holy Crap! EDMONDS you beautiful beautiful person.

79. Esoteric roots for the two worst teams in baseball Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:05 PM (#2884591)

Jesus Christ, Jim Edmonds?

I'm rooting for the Brewers, really, but I have to say I'm enjoying Edmonds' career-rescuing revival on the most unlikely team imaginable. I almost wish this game was at Wrigley so he could come out for the curtain-call, which would be even sweeter coming from Cubs fans.

80. CFiJ Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:06 PM (#2884593)

Hard to believe Edmonds is only hitting .242. He must have really, really sucked for the Pads.

81. retro-shiite Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:06 PM (#2884594)

Incidentally, I typed #67 after TOFU's slam (seeing the slam as a F.U. to that POS ump Eddings), though it would've fit just before it.

82. Carl Spongberg Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:06 PM (#2884596)

If that was an intentional HBP then it was one of the dumbest ever. Not because of the slam, but because hitting someone when the count is 0-2 is just retarded.

83. Weeks T. Olive Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:06 PM (#2884597)

What did Eddings do?

84. retro-shiite Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:07 PM (#2884598)

I almost wish this game was at Wrigley so he could come out for the curtain-call, which would be even sweeter coming from Cubs fans.

I think I was finally won over by his 2-homer inning against the White Sox. This might be even better.

85. Carl Spongberg Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:07 PM (#2884599)

Weeks, as long as they don’t Gaetti him next season.

86. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:07 PM (#2884600)

Boy were we all wrong about the Edmonds signing. What a steal it's turned out to be. And finally some run support for Harden.

87. retro-shiite Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:08 PM (#2884603)

What did Eddings do?

Made an epically awful strike call on the previous pitch. The ball curved out of the strike zone about a foot before it got to the plate, and Edmonds made about a 25% swing, which apparently was enough for a swinging strike call.

88. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:08 PM (#2884604)

Eddings said Edmonds didn't hold up on a swing that he clearly held up on. I can't recall hearing Bob that speechless about an umpire's call. All a moot point one pitch later, however.

89. Esoteric roots for the two worst teams in baseball Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:10 PM (#2884608)

Bob Brenly as the ball sails out of the park: "NO CHECK SWING ON THAT ONE, EH?"

It was pretty funny.

90. retro-shiite Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:10 PM (#2884610)

Brenly's reaction was great. About 30 seconds after the strike call, "Ah, GEEZ!"

91. SouthSideRyan(CASEY'S GONE!!) Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:10 PM (#2884611)

Jesus Christ, Jim Edmonds?

Close.

92. retro-shiite Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:10 PM (#2884612)

And, what Esoteric said.

93. Weeks T. Olive Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:11 PM (#2884613)

Well, I would expect that from Doug Eddings.

94. Cabbage Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:11 PM (#2884615)

Boy were we all wrong about the Edmonds signing. What a steal it's turned out to be. And finally some run support for Harden.

Agreed. I remember thinking that there was always the possibility of a Will-Clark-to-STL-like resurrection, but I hated Edmonds, and stuff like that doesn't happen to the Cubs. who knew.

95. Srul Itza Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:14 PM (#2884622)

He must have really, really sucked for the Pads.

Is .178/.265/.233/.498 sucky enough for you?

Where the heck DID this come from?

96. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:14 PM (#2884623)

I remember being particularly against this deal, as the Cubs' offense was rolling and I thought the move would hurt their defense, since it pushed Pie back to the minors. I still hope Pie can put it together next season, but truth be told, I go many days at a time without even thinking of poor Felix.

97. Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:14 PM (#2884624)

I think this Edmonds kid might work out. Where'd he come from, anyway?

98. Weeks T. Olive Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:15 PM (#2884627)

stuff like that doesn't happen to the Cubs.

This was the kicker for me. The Cubs seem to very, very rarely "catch lightning in a bottle", at least in comparison to other teams, and when they do, it doesn't matter in the long run (Bellhorn in '02) or actively hurts the team in the future (Neifi in '04).

Deep down I was hoping that Edmonds would do something like this and redeem himself from an eternity of damnation, but I kept thinking that no, these things never work out for the Cubs. This year is different, I guess.

99. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:15 PM (#2884629)

The Crew doesn't even look like they belong on the same field. AT least on Monday and half of Tuesday they put up a fight. This is what I was trying to explain to Andere. The guys have put SOOOOO much emphasis on Sheets/CC when first one lost and then Bennie gave it up that clearly shook them to the core. They look lost.

Cripes........

100. Esoteric roots for the two worst teams in baseball Posted: July 31, 2008 at 03:16 PM (#2884631)

I think this Edmonds kid might work out. Where'd he come from, anyway?

I hear tell that he played for one of those Missouri teams. Kansas City I think, so it's okay.

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