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Chicago Cubs (85-56) @ Cincinnati Reds (63-78), Saturday, September 6, 2008, 7:10pm

CHC: Jason Marquis (29, RHP, 9-8, 4.46)
CIN: Johnny Cueto (22, RHP, 8-12, 4.65)

The Primer Chimp Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:00 AM | 122 comment(s)
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1. retro-shiite Posted: September 06, 2008 at 04:00 PM (#2931256)

The streak ends here. Why? Because Marquis serving as the stopper makes no goddamned sense, that's why.

2. Andere HUSSEIN Richtingen, Socialist Posted: September 06, 2008 at 07:12 PM (#2931366)

The streak ends here. Why? Because Marquis serving as the stopper makes no goddamned sense, that's why.

I'd feel better if it were Volquez on the mound instead of Cueto.

3. Andere HUSSEIN Richtingen, Socialist Posted: September 06, 2008 at 07:18 PM (#2931370)

That double by Lee was close. In the camera angle I saw it looked like it barely if at all went over the bag.

4. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: September 06, 2008 at 07:28 PM (#2931375)

Maybe it's just because it's been such a bizarre week, but I think Marquis is going to be the stopgap the Cubs need.

5. Andere HUSSEIN Richtingen, Socialist Posted: September 06, 2008 at 07:40 PM (#2931383)

The Cubs don't need a stopgap as much as they need someone to ####### hit the ball.

6. Giantandre Posted: September 06, 2008 at 07:40 PM (#2931384)

How bad is this going to get ---- I bought a new "W" flag last week --- I ve flown it once since I got it ---- Go Padres I guess

7. Andere HUSSEIN Richtingen, Socialist Posted: September 06, 2008 at 07:42 PM (#2931385)

The Reds announcers wondered why Marquis didn't immediately IBB Bako. Well, the reason is that Bako is a really bad hitter. The pitcher is too, but giving a bad hitter a free base has its downside.

8. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: September 06, 2008 at 07:49 PM (#2931391)

Wow...good time for me to get home and turn the game on.

FONZIE!!! And then the Riot right afterwards!

This could be the hit/inning that starts it all.

9. Giantandre Posted: September 06, 2008 at 07:49 PM (#2931393)

A solo HR --- Ive seen this movie before --- I dont like the ending

10. Giantandre Posted: September 06, 2008 at 07:51 PM (#2931394)

trying to watch fb game and Cub game on cpu---- very jumpy this sucks WGN TELEVISE MORE GAMES PLEASE

11. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: September 06, 2008 at 07:51 PM (#2931395)

Andre- at this point we're being picky about any runs we score?

12. Giantandre Posted: September 06, 2008 at 07:58 PM (#2931397)

Frustrated Jesus --- had to watch Notre Dame win ---- any win (and any runs) are great

13. Andere HUSSEIN Richtingen, Socialist Posted: September 06, 2008 at 08:05 PM (#2931399)

Andre- at this point we're being picky about any runs we score?

Wha?

14. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: September 06, 2008 at 08:08 PM (#2931400)

2nd and 3rd no outs, 1 run. That's OK, two of the outs were hard hit. Baby steps.

15. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: September 06, 2008 at 08:09 PM (#2931402)

Andre- at this point we're being picky about any runs we score?

Wha?

Sorry. "Giant"Andre, not "Andere". :)

16. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 08:28 PM (#2931406)

I had Soriano for the 8th or 9th to hit the 250,000th homer, it looks like tonight Alfonso is going to try and get there all by himself.

17. Andere HUSSEIN Richtingen, Socialist Posted: September 06, 2008 at 08:31 PM (#2931409)

Sorry. "Giant"Andre, not "Andere". :)

Oh, of course. I think of him as "Giant" mostly.

18. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: September 06, 2008 at 08:34 PM (#2931414)

Isn't Geo speedy for a catcher? How did that throw beat him by 3 or 4 steps?

19. Andere HUSSEIN Richtingen, Socialist Posted: September 06, 2008 at 08:39 PM (#2931417)

It was a hard hit ball, and Phillips played it well to make the throw, and Soto isn't what you would call "speedy."

20. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: September 06, 2008 at 08:40 PM (#2931418)

It was a hard hit ball, and Phillips played it well to make the throw, and Soto isn't what you would call "speedy."

He could still play cornerback for Notre Dame.

21. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 08:54 PM (#2931431)

I hope Soriano hits a homer to shut these Reds homers up, geesh these announcers are total homers.

22. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: September 06, 2008 at 08:54 PM (#2931432)

Holy ####

23. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: September 06, 2008 at 08:55 PM (#2931435)

BOOM! goes the dynamite.

I like Alfonso Soriano.

24. Andere HUSSEIN Richtingen, Socialist Posted: September 06, 2008 at 08:55 PM (#2931436)

Wow.

25. Sweet Posted: September 06, 2008 at 08:55 PM (#2931437)

Holy Schmoley. It's like last year -- Fonzie putting this team on his back and carrying it home.

26. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 08:55 PM (#2931438)

How about that!!! He did it!!

27. Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute Posted: September 06, 2008 at 08:55 PM (#2931439)

BOOM-Shaka-laka-laka!

28. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: September 06, 2008 at 08:56 PM (#2931440)

If we were facing the Braves, Soriano could expect one in the ear next time up. Oh wait, I forgot, it was all an "coincidence".

29. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 08:58 PM (#2931442)

Freakin San Diego is going to lose 1-0.

30. Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute Posted: September 06, 2008 at 08:59 PM (#2931443)

Fonzie personally and nearly single-handedly breaking the Cubs slump, I hope.

31. Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:01 PM (#2931451)

Who would've figured that the pitcher to step up and likely end the streak would be . . . Jason Marquis?!?!

32. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:03 PM (#2931454)

Fonzie personally and nearly single-handedly breaking the Cubs slump, I hope.

Watching that dugout celebration after his third home run, there seemed to be a lot more emotion there than just the normal "wow, one of our teammates is having an amazing game!" celebration. That was almost a team-wide catharsis.

33. Eric J Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:05 PM (#2931457)

If we were facing the Braves, Soriano could expect one in the ear next time up. Oh wait, I forgot, it was all an "coincidence".

The whole sequence of events following that still irritates me a year later.

34. Andere HUSSEIN Richtingen, Socialist Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:10 PM (#2931461)

Freakin San Diego is going to lose 1-0.

Damn. Yost didn't decide to bring in Gagne to pitch the ninth.

35. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:11 PM (#2931462)

2 outs, man on first and third, Sheets on the mound. Bring in Gagne!

36. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:12 PM (#2931465)

DeRosa!

37. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:13 PM (#2931468)

Down to their last strike

38. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:15 PM (#2931469)

Freakin Padres did lose 1-0

39. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:17 PM (#2931471)

And like Moses before him leading the Israelites, Soriano has been chosen to lead the Cubs back to the Promised Land.

Except that Moses died before they got there.

OK, turns out that was a bad analogy.

40. NTNgod Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:19 PM (#2931476)

That would be one good way to get out of the backend of his contract, though.

41. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:19 PM (#2931477)

Tee-hee, Reds announcers talking about how the Reds have a reputation for hacking. Hmm, could it be because your manager is Dusty Freakin Baker?

42. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:20 PM (#2931478)

Is anyone else worried that if this hot post-mid-August stretch continues, Lou may be tempted into putting the words "Jason Marquis" and "playoff roster" together, even if Z and Harden are healthy?

43. Andere HUSSEIN Richtingen, Socialist Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:21 PM (#2931479)

Marquis with 93 pitches through 7. His peripherals in this game are bad, but he's had good command, really.

44. Andere HUSSEIN Richtingen, Socialist Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:22 PM (#2931480)

Is anyone else worried that if this hot post-mid-August stretch continues, Lou may be tempted into putting the words "Jason Marquis" and "playoff roster" together, even if Z and Harden are healthy?

No way. Dempster is a lock.

45. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:23 PM (#2931483)

Marquis!!!! The new Zambrano!

46. Sweet Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:24 PM (#2931484)

Marquis de Happy, tonight.

Here we go . . . .

47. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:24 PM (#2931485)

Being much more careful with Soriano this time around. . . . .

oh well.

48. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:25 PM (#2931487)

Cubs will have to blow it up in this inning for Soriano to bat again.

49. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:25 PM (#2931488)

Normally, I'm really bitter whenever I see a team go through a long stretch of little-to-no offense, losing games where just one or two more scores would have made a difference in some of the losses, and then they have one big huge blowout game. And I think "sure, everyone's scoring now. WHERE WAS THAT EARLIER???"

But tonight? I'm fine with this. I'm glad everyone up and down the lineup is remembering what it feels like to see the ball well and make good contact. I just hope it continues tomorrow.

50. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:26 PM (#2931492)

No way. Dempster is a lock.

Of course, but what about Lilly? Or the temptation to put him in the bullpen?

51. Giantandre Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:26 PM (#2931494)

Thank GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD were going to get one ... It feels like forever

52. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:27 PM (#2931495)

need 2 more runners to get on with no double play for Soriano to come up again.

53. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:27 PM (#2931496)

Looking at tomorrow's pitching matchup, Aaron Harang is 4-15 on the year.

Harvey's Wallbangers was railing about Dusty's use of him earlier in the year.

54. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:28 PM (#2931498)

1 more runner

55. Andere HUSSEIN Richtingen, Socialist Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:29 PM (#2931499)

Of course, but what about Lilly? Or the temptation to put him in the bullpen?

That could happen if they go with a four man rotation, but I think they would avoid that if Zambrano and Harden were healthy.

56. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:30 PM (#2931500)

That could happen if they go with a four man rotation, but I think they would avoid that if Zambrano and Harden were healthy.

Nah, their health is shaky enough that I'm sure the Cubs will plan on using 4 starters and Lilly's lefthandedness will play into it as well.

57. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:30 PM (#2931501)

Just to clarify, I'm not advocating it. If I were Lou, Marquis could go 5-0 with 5 straight CGSHO's the rest of the way, and I'd give him a hearty congratulatory handshake and a "see you next year". There's no way, were everyone healthy, that he would set foot to mound in the playoffs.

But I'm not in charge.

58. Giantandre Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:30 PM (#2931502)

Marquis --- thank you for another good start --- please a couple more

59. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:32 PM (#2931505)

Nah, their health is shaky enough that I'm sure the Cubs will plan on using 4 starters and Lilly's lefthandedness will play into it as well.

I concur. I would use a four-man rotation even in the 5-game NLDS. Even if we were down 2-1, I'd have Lilly pitch game 4. The postseason numbers for starters on 3-days rest are so awful that I wouldn't mess around with that under any circumstances.

60. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:34 PM (#2931507)

Well, somebody is going to have to get on in the 9th for Soriano to hit again.

61. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:36 PM (#2931509)

Cedeno in left. Well, he can't be any worse than E-Pat, right?

62. Andere HUSSEIN Richtingen, Socialist Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:36 PM (#2931511)

Hey, I would go with a 4-man rotation. It doesn't mean it will happen. Mixing a lefty in will depend on the opponent.

63. Giantandre Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:37 PM (#2931512)

It means Soriano wont get beaned in the 9th'

64. Andere HUSSEIN Richtingen, Socialist Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:38 PM (#2931513)

Soriano will have to be satisfied with a 5445 line for the night.

65. Carl Spongberg Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:38 PM (#2931514)

Explain, please. I just now came home. The post-game celebration took a while after my team dismantled France. I just don’t understand the universe. Austria is supposed to field one of the poorest sides in football, the Cubs are cursed. Loosing in lock-step seemed viable; and then what do they do? The Austrian team kicks some surrender-monkey ass, scores three goals in front of an ecstatic home crowd, the Cubs finally are ahead in a September game. In a De Sad start. Why, how, WHY? Let’s not lose and all that, but seriously, De Sad? Three awesome starts in a row! Is that even legal?

66. Carl Spongberg Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:40 PM (#2931515)

He certainly remembers how to give free passes. Also, bringing Samardzija in this game might be a felony. I despise Cotts. I despise Howry. But they’re the guys who bring home a ten run lead.

67. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:40 PM (#2931516)

3 homers from Soriano, one from DeRosa and one from Marquis.

68. Mayonnaise Savant (DTM) Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:41 PM (#2931517)

Looking at tomorrow's pitching matchup, Aaron Harang is 4-15 on the year.

Harvey's Wallbangers was railing about Dusty's use of him earlier in the year.

ERA before May 25th 4IP relief appearence: 2.54

ERA after May 25th 4IP relief appearence: 7.51

69. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:42 PM (#2931518)

I'm sure that De Sad has received many standing ovations as he left the game as a visiting pitcher. This is probably the only one he's ever been happy to receive.

70. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:42 PM (#2931520)

He certainly remembers how to give free passes. Also, bringing Samardzija in this game might be a felony. I despise Cotts. I despise Howry. But they’re the guys who bring home a ten run lead.

Typical Lou this year. He did this with Marmol, or at least that is what it alwaus felt like.

71. Andere HUSSEIN Richtingen, Socialist Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:42 PM (#2931521)

Soriano's 3 HR would seem to put the kibosh on the Cubs not having a player with 30 HR in a full season since 1992. However, they could end up with six players with 20 HR for the first time since I don't know when.

72. Giantandre Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:45 PM (#2931522)

Carl --- enjoy USA's soon to be 1-0 win over Cuba

73. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:45 PM (#2931523)

Last year they got pretty close to do that. Hell, last year they almost had no one and 30 homers or 100 or more RBI.

74. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:46 PM (#2931527)

That Howry isn't in this game yet suggest that we still haven't seen the last of him in situations that matter. Glad we're going to get a win and in such grand fashion.

75. Carl Spongberg Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:46 PM (#2931528)

We’re among Cubs fans here, aren’t we? Soriano’s contract might be awful, unimaginable horrors loom right around year five, six, ohmygod, seven. But let’s be frank; he’s awesome. I heart Derrek Lee. I wish he was the best Cub. But he simply isn’t. Aramis has been outstanding, but Soriano would be running away with the MVP without the 6 week beaning. Am I wrong?

76. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:48 PM (#2931530)

In 1958 and in 2004 the Cubs had 5 players with 20 or more homes.

77. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:49 PM (#2931531)

And with this game, Soriano's creeping toward a much more respectable line on the season. They brought him in to hit homers, drive in some runs, steal some bases, and serve as a warm body in left field. He's done three of those things this season. He might be getting on one of his hot streaks, so it's not out of the question that he's got around 80 RBI by time the last game of the regular season is played.

78. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:49 PM (#2931534)

Soriano is a LF with a 122 OPS+ entering today. I would still take Soto.

79. Andere HUSSEIN Richtingen, Socialist Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:50 PM (#2931535)

Wow, that's almost three times as many as John McCain.

80. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:50 PM (#2931536)

BPJ is rusty. I'd say he "celebrated" the Irish win a little too hard this afternoon, except that the game didn't end until the Cubs game began.

Why would anyone every throw Corey a strike? Shoulder-high fastball. Curve in the dirt. Rinse and repeat.

81. Carl Spongberg Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:50 PM (#2931538)

Giantandre: I won’t. The US doesn’t play in an European group, doesn’t play in group 7. They might as well not play at all. I don’t know what to think. The big nations in Austria’s group are France, who we killed tonight, and Adrian Mutu’s Romania, who just lost to Lithuania (at home!). We won’t face the US unless we make it to .ZA.

82. Mayonnaise Savant (DTM) Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:51 PM (#2931539)

Soriano's contract is awful, but if you believe that the Cubs window is closing, it's entirely defensible in that it might help get that elusive World Series victory.

83. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:51 PM (#2931540)

And so it begins.

84. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:51 PM (#2931541)

Carl, I honestly doubt Soriano makes it anywhere close to the end of his contract. He's going to fall off to a point where the Cubs will be willing to eat the rest of the contract just to move him elsewhere. Until then, he's helped. Last year was a disappointment considering his 2006 campaign. I'm not sure if leg issues won't be a problem the rest of the career, which is going to hinder his running game. But I expect him to be a home run and to an extent, RBI guy over the next couple of seasons.

85. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:52 PM (#2931543)

11-5

86. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:53 PM (#2931544)

You'd hate to be in a position where Marmol or Wood are needed, but considering the team's futility the last week, it's not as if they've been used a lot.

87. Andere HUSSEIN Richtingen, Socialist Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:53 PM (#2931545)

Howry could have done this.

88. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:53 PM (#2931546)

Nothing's ever easy.

Soriano is a LF with a 122 OPS+ entering today. I would still take Soto.

I don't know if I'd make Soriano the team MVP, but, by virtue of his being the leadoff hitter, I think the team as a whole both struggles a lot more as well as catches fire corresponding to what Soriano is doing.

89. Giantandre Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:54 PM (#2931547)

MY HS team played on a nicer field then Cuba does --- definitely more well lit ... Third world game for the USA tonight ... OK lets not make this interesting guys ... as I type lights go out in Cuba's stadium

90. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: September 06, 2008 at 09:58 PM (#2931554)

What's with all of this god damn nibbling.

91. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: September 06, 2008 at 10:00 PM (#2931557)

Ok. Go score five in the ninth so we stay out of slam range.

92. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 10:05 PM (#2931561)

Well that hit would have brought up Soriano

93. Carl Spongberg Posted: September 06, 2008 at 10:08 PM (#2931565)

I’m putting my hat firmly into the pro-Fonzie quadrant. Yeah, he was expensive. ####-#### expensive. Yeah, he’s not a premium defender; anywhere. He was less than spectacular at second. He’s way too spectacular, way to unpredictable, in he outfield. But he is ours. He wasn’t signed as a 40-40 player, which is what he did in his contract year. He was signed as a 30-30 guy, which he will never again get close to. What we are left with is a bad defender, who might hit (or exceed) the vaunted .900 OPS once, trice, while wearing blue. It’s not my money, but I am thrilled that he is on my team. He also has the whitest teeth in baseball. Respect?

94. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 10:11 PM (#2931566)

Ok. Go score five in the ninth so we stay out of slam range.

You are getting your wish

95. Andere HUSSEIN Richtingen, Socialist Posted: September 06, 2008 at 10:12 PM (#2931568)

The Fonzie situation is what it is. Right now it's great. A few years from now, who knows. If it turns out badly then, no one should be surprised, and we can't evaluate whether or not it was worth it until that time.

96. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: September 06, 2008 at 10:13 PM (#2931569)

I’m putting my hat firmly into the pro-Fonzie quadrant. Yeah, he was expensive. ####-#### expensive. Yeah, he’s not a premium defender; anywhere. He was less than spectacular at second. He’s way too spectacular, way to unpredictable, in he outfield. But he is ours. He wasn’t signed as a 40-40 player, which is what he did in his contract year. He was signed as a 30-30 guy, which he will never again get close to. What we are left with is a bad defender, who might hit (or exceed) the vaunted .900 OPS once, trice, while wearing blue. It’s not my money, but I am thrilled that he is on my team. He also has the whitest teeth in baseball. Respect?

Seconded.

If I hear one more middle-aged white guy quasi-racist meatball call up talk radio and complain about Fonzie being "selfish" or "not valuable to the team" or "If I made 14 million a year you'd damn sure see me hustling all the time" I'm gonna lose it.

97. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 10:15 PM (#2931570)

I never cared about the 30 stolen bases so their lost is no big deal. I think Alfonso is a lock for 30 homers a year, every year and when he can keep from getting plunked he'll hit 40+ in the foreseeable future. I am more then happy with that, now if Fukudome can adjust next year the corners will be pretty good the next few years and the Cubs will just need to solve the CF spot. Besides CF the Cubs are set everywhere else on the field, that is pretty amazing when you consider past Cubs teams.

98. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: September 06, 2008 at 10:19 PM (#2931571)

We aren't ever going to see Michael Wuertz again.

99. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 10:19 PM (#2931572)

Jeez, get this game over with.

100. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2008 at 10:20 PM (#2931574)

3 run homer

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