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CIN (37-32) at NYM (43-25) - 7:10 PM

CIN: Arroyo (8-3, 2.51)
NYM: Hernandez (4-5, 5.50)

Chris Dial Posted: June 19, 2006 at 10:40 AM | 146 comment(s)
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1. villainx Posted: June 19, 2006 at 01:43 PM (#2068501)

My fantasy league team's era is 4.5, which sucks so bad. El Duke needs to do something to move that number south.

2. Fat Al Posted: June 19, 2006 at 03:40 PM (#2068630)

If you're counting on El Duque to move that number in the right direction, I'm not surprised your team has an ERA of 4.50.

3. Free Rob Base Posted: June 19, 2006 at 04:21 PM (#2068678)

B-Pro has the Mets chances of winning the division at around 97%. Sounds reasonable given the competition. Should the Mets sit still and coast into the playoffs -- or try and make an upgrade at 2b and/or in the starting rotation that will help come playoff time. That seems to be the big question facing Minaya.

4. 44magnum Posted: June 19, 2006 at 04:42 PM (#2068706)

The Reds pounded Hernandez back in early May when he was still with AZ. He allowed (Aquino gave up 3 run double to Encarnacion relieving El Duque with bases loaded) 8 loud runs.

Mike Burns, in his 3rd stint w/the Reds this year, has put up some impressive numbers:

11.1 inn 28 hits 13 runs 2 hr 10.32 era 2.74 whip .491 opp avg

5. Joshemy will miss Endy Magic Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:01 PM (#2068840)

Wright, Floyd and LoDuca bar pictures from Deadspin

I don't have a real reason for posting this. But enjoy.

6. Joshemy will miss Endy Magic Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:13 PM (#2068856)

Ryan Freel seems like a nice little player.

7. AJMacaroni Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:13 PM (#2068859)

Lo Duca finally has a good throw and the guy is still safe.

8. Banta Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:14 PM (#2068860)

Haha, the Mets fans at Shea are STILL booing Griffey.

9. Joshemy will miss Endy Magic Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:15 PM (#2068862)

Well, this isn't a good start for Dookie.

10. The Mets make Russlan sad Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:16 PM (#2068864)

Seriously, it is too bad that the Mets don't have a prototypical option for a number two hitter other than Lo Duca. Castro is so much better than he is.

11. Joshemy will miss Endy Magic Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:17 PM (#2068867)

Whiffey!

12. Bob Koo Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:21 PM (#2068875)

Great job by El Duque!

13. AJMacaroni Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:22 PM (#2068877)

DP, nice.

14. Banta Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:22 PM (#2068878)

Good way to work outta that, El Duque!

15. Joshemy will miss Endy Magic Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:22 PM (#2068879)

DP!

16. AJMacaroni Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:24 PM (#2068884)

That should've been a triple, damn ball boy!

17. Bob Koo Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:24 PM (#2068885)

I'm lovin' Reyes' hitting these days.

18. The Mets make Russlan sad Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:24 PM (#2068886)

Reyes is awesome.

19. AJMacaroni Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:25 PM (#2068887)

I hate first inning bunts.

20. Bob Koo Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:25 PM (#2068888)

I'm hatin' the Lo Duca bunt. Why play for one run in the first inning?

21. The Mets make Russlan sad Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:26 PM (#2068889)

Is it really necessaary to bunt Reyes over in that situation? It's still early in the game.

22. Joshemy will miss Endy Magic Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:26 PM (#2068890)

Small ball.

23. Chris Dial Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:27 PM (#2068891)

Run scores. That works.

24. Orange and Blue Velvet Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:29 PM (#2068899)

I'm hatin' the Lo Duca bunt. Why play for one run in the first inning?
Castro really needs to see more games... one can argue he should be the starting catcher.

25. Chris Dial Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:30 PM (#2068900)

Kearns is absolutely one of my favorite players.

26. Orange and Blue Velvet Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:33 PM (#2068904)

Kearns is absolutely one of my favorite players.
Can a favorite player be any more nondescript? It's not a rhetorical question.

27. Joshemy will miss Endy Magic Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:35 PM (#2068905)

I have a feeling with the El Duque-LoDuca battery, the Reds will be running a lot tonight.

28. AJMacaroni Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:36 PM (#2068906)

Dammit.

29. The Mets make Russlan sad Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:38 PM (#2068909)

Phillips is funny.

30. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:38 PM (#2068910)

Someone explain how that constitutes "a bad attitude."

31. Joshemy will miss Endy Magic Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:39 PM (#2068911)

Beautiful play El Duque!

32. AJMacaroni Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:39 PM (#2068912)

Uh, what did Phillips do, Gary?

33. The Mets make Russlan sad Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:40 PM (#2068914)

And here I thought that the Indians let Phillips go because he had a career .546 OPS and was out of options.

34. Joshemy will miss Endy Magic Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:42 PM (#2068917)

Stache!

35. Bob Koo Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:42 PM (#2068918)

Seems like Valentin is either good for a double, pop out, or a K.

36. AJMacaroni Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:42 PM (#2068919)

Stache!

37. Banta Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:45 PM (#2068920)

Nady's right back to where he left off.

38. Bob Koo Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:45 PM (#2068921)

Good to see that Nady is healthy and has resumed his chasing of low-and-outside breaking balls.

39. Joshemy will miss Endy Magic Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:49 PM (#2068925)

At least Duque is making Arroyo throw some pitches.

40. The Mets make Russlan sad Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:54 PM (#2068932)

The best thing about Duque making an out is that Reyes gets to lead off. Would Milledge/Endy have made that play? What isn't Endy playing right anyway?

41. Joshemy will miss Endy Magic Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:55 PM (#2068936)

Whiffey again!

42. The Mets make Russlan sad Posted: June 19, 2006 at 07:59 PM (#2068941)

Reyes' OPS is at .783 right now. He might be the best shortstop in the NL already.

43. Orange and Blue Velvet Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:01 PM (#2068947)

He might be the best shortstop in the NL already.
Felipe Lopez, Edgar Renteria and Hanley Ramirez are pretty good, yeah?

44. The Mets make Russlan sad Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:09 PM (#2068953)

Hanley has a lower OPS despite an unusually high BABIP. He ranks 4th worst in the NL in ZR.

Lopez has a lower OPS and ranks last in the NL in ZR.

Renteria is hitting great but ranks 2nd last in ZR. Reyes is a much better baserunner as well.

The best SS in the league has actually been Vizquel. He's been fantastic.

45. AJMacaroni Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:11 PM (#2068955)

Felipe Lopez, Edgar Renteria and Hanley Ramirez are pretty good, yeah?

Lopez is pretty bad on D. And Ramirez? I'd have a hard giving a 22 year old with less than half a year in the majors title of "best SS in the NL". Reyes has a higher OPS than either of them BTW.

Oh, and you forgot to name the guy who has been the best SS so far this year, Bill Hall.

46. Sam M. Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:11 PM (#2068956)

The best SS in the league has actually been Vizquel. He's been fantastic.

And no one in their right mind would rather have Vizquel than Reyes, given that Vizquel is 93 years old.

47. Orange and Blue Velvet Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:13 PM (#2068964)

Oh, and you forgot to name the guy who has been the best SS so far this year, Bill Hall.
He's more a utility guy, filling in at short because JJ Hardy is hurt, but your point is well made.

48. Sam M. Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:14 PM (#2068965)

Beautiful pitch to K Ross. El Duque is growing on me. A full season of this, and I might actually only mildly dislike him.

49. AJMacaroni Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:15 PM (#2068970)

Nice pitch by El Duque.

50. Orange and Blue Velvet Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:16 PM (#2068971)

Reyes' isolated slugging and discipline have shown a very nice uptick. Many scouts called Jose a breakout candidate this year, and he seems to be fulfilling those expectations.

51. Sam M. Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:18 PM (#2068975)

Frigging Kearns. Good piece of hitting by Wright, anyway.

52. The Mets make Russlan sad Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:24 PM (#2068981)

I can't believe I forgot about Hall. I love that guy's game.

53. AJMacaroni Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:26 PM (#2068985)

Great inning.

54. Joshemy will miss Endy Magic Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:26 PM (#2068986)

El Duque is fun to watch when he has his stuff working.

55. AJMacaroni Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:29 PM (#2068992)

This is the only series where I'm rooting for the Yankees. And I'm not rooting that hard.

56. Sam M. Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:31 PM (#2068996)

Jose just missed that pitch.

57. Bob Koo Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:32 PM (#2068998)

Lo Duca is a bad hitter.

58. Joshemy will miss Endy Magic Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:32 PM (#2068999)

Good work after that lead-off single boys.

59. The Mets make Russlan sad Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:35 PM (#2069002)

You know what's bad? Lo Duca has a .704 OPS right now and this is supposed to be his good half of the season.

60. Joshemy will miss Endy Magic Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:36 PM (#2069003)

No Whiffey that time.

61. AJMacaroni Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:37 PM (#2069005)

Well that was crushed.

62. Banta Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:38 PM (#2069006)

Lo Duca has a .704 OPS right now and this is supposed to be his good half of the season.

I guess that's the really bad part about LoDuca. Even when he's going well, he's only a bad week away from being completely worthless.

63. Chris Dial Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:41 PM (#2069012)

I called that HR. When he got two K's I said Duque was going to go to the well one too often.

there's a reason Griffey is one of the all time greats.

64. Sam M. Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:42 PM (#2069013)

BTW, did anyone notice that Reyes (+80,000), Wright (+200,000), Beltran (+100,000 on 4th place), and Lo Duca (+280,000) ALL now lead their respective positions for the ASG? Quite a surge for Mets' players in the latest round of voting.

65. The Mets make Russlan sad Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:45 PM (#2069022)

Lo Duca starting the ASG is a travshamockery. I think Vizquel deserves it more than Reyes. Beltran and Wright deserve to start.

66. AJMacaroni Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:47 PM (#2069026)

Lo Duca (+280,000)

Boo! Everyone start voting for Piazza!

67. The Mets make Russlan sad Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:47 PM (#2069027)

That was an awful inning.

68. Sam M. Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:47 PM (#2069028)

I think Vizquel deserves it more than Reyes.

I've been voting for Reyes. Proudly. The ASG is a show; Reyes puts on a more exciting show. Plus, I'm biased. Sue me.

69. Banta Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:49 PM (#2069030)

The ASG is a show

A show that COUNTS!

70. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:51 PM (#2069037)

So the Reds can't beat the White Sox, but they're going to beat the Mets. Thanks a lot, Reds.

71. AJMacaroni Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:51 PM (#2069039)

I've been voting for Reyes.

Me too. Well, I haven't voted yet, but my bias will have me voting for Delgado, Reyes, Wright, Beltran, and Piazza. And I'll write in The Stache at second base.

72. Sam M. Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:54 PM (#2069042)

And I'll write in The Stache at second base.

I'm not that biased, not in a league that includes Chase Utley and Dan Uggla.

73. Sam M. Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:56 PM (#2069046)

I'm so used to Endy Chavez catching balls like that, I was kind of stunned to realize it was Nady out there and realizing that ball was going to drop. Sigh.

74. Chris Dial Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:56 PM (#2069048)

Dear Willie,
GET DUQUE OUT OF THERE!!!!

75. Banta Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:57 PM (#2069049)

Willie absolutely hates pulling a starter in the middle of an inning. It makes him feel like a bad guy.

76. Sam M. Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:57 PM (#2069050)

Feliciano SHOULD BE IN HERE NOW.

77. AJMacaroni Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:58 PM (#2069052)

I'm not that biased, not in a league that includes Chase Utley and Dan Uggla.

I don't care about either of those guys. Or any other second baseman in the NL.

78. Bob Koo Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:59 PM (#2069055)

Willie lucks out there.

79. AJMacaroni Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:59 PM (#2069056)

Yeah!

Let's tie it up!

80. Sam M. Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:59 PM (#2069057)

Randolph got very lucky making the wrong move there. But it worked.

81. Banta Posted: June 19, 2006 at 08:59 PM (#2069058)

Another nice job from El Duque. He's been pretty much Pedro since he got here.

82. Joshemy will miss Endy Magic Posted: June 19, 2006 at 09:00 PM (#2069060)

Dookie!

Good work from El Duque tonight. Now the offense needs to give us a few runs.

83. Chris Dial Posted: June 19, 2006 at 09:00 PM (#2069062)

Whew.

84. The Mets make Russlan sad Posted: June 19, 2006 at 09:02 PM (#2069063)

Duque has a 4.03 ERA as a Met.

85. Chris Dial Posted: June 19, 2006 at 09:02 PM (#2069064)

It was a good effort from Duque. I knew those two strikeouts of Griffey would mean a HR later if he tried the same stuff.

86. Bob Koo Posted: June 19, 2006 at 09:04 PM (#2069069)

Nady hasn't even played two full hours since his return, and I'm already agitated with his play.

87. Banta Posted: June 19, 2006 at 09:05 PM (#2069071)

Duque has a 4.03 ERA as a Met.

Hm, I thought that it was a bit better than that. Not that there's anything wrong with that. At all.

88. Chris Dial Posted: June 19, 2006 at 09:06 PM (#2069074)

Yes, who wouldn't rather have Milledge up when Nady bats? Puke.

89. Chris Dial Posted: June 19, 2006 at 09:08 PM (#2069076)

I suspect Willie didn't double-switch which is an error.

90. Chris Dial Posted: June 19, 2006 at 09:09 PM (#2069078)

Feliciano is pretty good vs RHBs. He's not a LOOGY.

91. Bob Koo Posted: June 19, 2006 at 09:10 PM (#2069081)

Wright should have had that, I think.

92. Chris Dial Posted: June 19, 2006 at 09:10 PM (#2069082)

Wow, Wright isn't slick with the glove - that would have been a DP with many 3Bs.

93. Raskolnikov Posted: June 19, 2006 at 09:11 PM (#2069083)

Hope that Bradford is warming up.

94. The Mets make Russlan sad Posted: June 19, 2006 at 09:11 PM (#2069084)

That's not an easy play but one a good 3B makes.

95. AJMacaroni Posted: June 19, 2006 at 09:12 PM (#2069086)

He didn't even try to move out of the way.

96. Chris Dial Posted: June 19, 2006 at 09:12 PM (#2069087)

That went really badly -a broken bat gork, a GB to a weak fielding 3B and a sloppy HBP.

Come on Bradford, generate a K popup or GDP.

97. Raskolnikov Posted: June 19, 2006 at 09:12 PM (#2069088)

Argh, Feliciano self-destructing here.

98. Sam M. Posted: June 19, 2006 at 09:13 PM (#2069090)

I think Wright was hurt on that play by the rain & slick field.

Classic case where the ump, in a just world, would NOT have given the batter first base on the HBP . . . .

99. Raskolnikov Posted: June 19, 2006 at 09:15 PM (#2069095)

Key AB of the ballgame.

100. AJMacaroni Posted: June 19, 2006 at 09:15 PM (#2069096)

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