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Monday, October 08, 2007

Cleveland Indians (96-66) @ New York Yankees (94-68), Monday, October 8, 2007, 7:30pm

CLE: Paul Byrd (36, RHP, 15-8, 4.59)
NYY: Chien-Ming Wang (27, RHP, 19-7, 3.70)

The Primer Chimp Posted: October 08, 2007 at 09:00 AM | 1365 comment(s)
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1. Robert Machemer Posted: October 08, 2007 at 12:41 PM (#2567319)

Wang instead of Mussina. Should I -- rooting for the Indians -- be glad? Mussina looked awful in the second half, but then he looked great at the very end of the season. Wang is better at home than he is on the road, but has only pitched on three days of rest once in his career.

2. Dewitty_Pun Posted: October 08, 2007 at 03:36 PM (#2567580)

Supposedly sinkerballs do better on short rest, or at least are affected less than other types of pitchers(except knuckleballers). So that combined with Wang's great home splits makes him the starter over a dying Moose. Pettite starts games 5 on full rest regardless.

3. Dewitty_Pun Posted: October 08, 2007 at 03:37 PM (#2567582)

'Regardless' assumes the Yankees win, of course which is far from gaurenteed.

4. johan Posted: October 08, 2007 at 04:17 PM (#2567648)

I think its a great choice for the Yankees. Wang on short rest at home gives them a better chance to win than Mussina at this point. If they also had to bring back Pettitte on short rest then it would change things a great deal. Thats the same reason I would start CC tonight if I were the Indians- they have the luxury of coming back with Carmona on full rest.

5. Stinky the Cat Posted: October 08, 2007 at 04:41 PM (#2567682)

YANKS WILL WIN.

6. Fred C. Dobbs Posted: October 08, 2007 at 04:59 PM (#2567722)

Yanks....Will...Fail. FFFFAAAAIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLL.

7. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2007 at 05:26 PM (#2567769)

The 4th Reich of the Yankee Empire comes to an end tonight.

(For the record:
First Reich: 1921-1943
Second Reich: 1947-1964
Third Reich: 1976-1981
Fourth Reich: 1995 to present)

8. PJ Martinez Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:03 PM (#2567860)

If the Yankees do lose tonight, won't the "fourth reich" be retrospectively dated to either 2000 (their last title, obviously) or 2004 (their last visit to the ALCS, and their ignominious collapse at the hands of their hated rivals)? Sure, they've made the playoffs the last few years, but, if they lose tonight, those trips will all have been rather unsuccessful.

(And I wouldn't date this reich to 1995, when they lost to the Mariners with Showalter at the helm.)

Also, that will allow some space between the fourth reich and the fifth one-- which could start as soon as next year. If they re-sign/extend A-Rod, he assumes a more stable role in the team's identity (this season and last have both ended with speculation about his future, or lack thereof, in New York). Hughes moves into the rotation, possibly joined by Joba-- unless he takes over from Mariano. Jeter and, I suspect, Posada will still be around, possibly Mariano, too-- but all may have slightly less prominent roles on the next dominant Yankee team.

If, that is, the Yankees lose tonight. Or in game five.

9. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:04 PM (#2567861)

I hope Wedge has a very quick hook tonight if Byrd gets into trouble. No more of this waiting for the pitcher to work his way out of trouble ########, this isn't some game in May.

10. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:09 PM (#2567868)

Were I Wedge, I'd have really considered a staff start tonight. With a day off, I'd feel comfortable asking for, say, 35 pitches from each of my three best relievers.

11. PJ Martinez Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:12 PM (#2567872)

Were I Wedge, I would have started Sabathia. Oh well.

Also, if Wang struggles-- which I don't expect-- Mussina has had at least one very good and fairly long relief outing in an elimination game in the playoffs. Granted, he had had a better regular season that year.

12. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:18 PM (#2567881)

I hate baseball.

13. PJ Martinez Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:22 PM (#2567886)

Apparently Clemens is done-- replaced by Villone, won't play in the ALCS, should the Yanks make it that far.

14. SacBunt Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:24 PM (#2567887)

Is there any data on the effectiveness of pitchers on short rest? I would think that a pitcher would be like himself but just tire more quickly, so that if his ERA normally starts rising around pitch 100, his ERA might show the same pattern around pitch 75. Or is the pattern different with every pitcher?

15. Amit Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:24 PM (#2567888)

2001 was the last night of the Dynasty, from what I understand.

16. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:27 PM (#2567889)

What the ####? Garko is not playing? Shoppach? Oh jeez Wedge. This had better work.

17. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:27 PM (#2567890)

Although I do like Shoppach defensively better then Vmart.

18. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:29 PM (#2567894)

2001 was the last night of the Dynasty, from what I understand.

PAUL o'NEIIIII-el (clap-clap, clap-clap-clap)

19. Tony H. Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:29 PM (#2567895)

We need four solid innings from Byrd tonight, and that's it. After that the bullpen should be able to take over.

20. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:30 PM (#2567896)

I cannot remember being this nervous before a baseball game in a long time.

21. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:31 PM (#2567897)

I have easy access to doggie bellies for rubbing if the need arises.

22. Amit Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:31 PM (#2567900)

Hopefully you won't get your Wang Yanked.

23. SacBunt Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:32 PM (#2567902)

That chant for Paul O'Neill was kinda neat. And I hated that lousy sumbitch.

24. Dr Love Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:34 PM (#2567903)

Tonight's over/under on Frank TV ad apperances:

25

25. SacBunt Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:36 PM (#2567907)

I'll take the over. 17 for each half inning, plus more for pitching changes, plus the pre/postgame. Got to be over.

26. Dr Love Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:38 PM (#2567911)

I'm not counting the pre or post game. But I am second guessing my line.

27. Tony H. Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:39 PM (#2567912)

GRADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

28. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:39 PM (#2567913)

Fabian's head explodes!

29. tribefan Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:39 PM (#2567914)

Grady is the man.

30. PJ Martinez Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:39 PM (#2567915)

Awesome.

31. Dan Evensen Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:39 PM (#2567916)

I'm not Yankees fan, but my wife is from Taiwan. Hence: 王建民加油!

32. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:39 PM (#2567917)

I was rubbing the puppy's belly on that one.

33. Amit Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:39 PM (#2567918)

Nice.

34. SacBunt Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:39 PM (#2567919)

Let this be a portent for the effectiveness of the sinker!

35. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:39 PM (#2567920)

Inauspicious.

36. PJ Martinez Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:39 PM (#2567921)

Sterling had no idea that was leaving, it sounded like.

37. tribefan Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:40 PM (#2567922)

keep rubbing bernal

38. tribefan Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:41 PM (#2567924)

how could travis lay off that pitch

39. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:41 PM (#2567925)

My other dog was growling at Wang.

40. Dan Evensen Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:41 PM (#2567926)

Sterling had no idea that was leaving, it sounded like.

I'm not surprised. It wasn't exactly the deepest home run:; just barely cleared the fence.

41. NJ in DC loathes his classmates and the law Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:42 PM (#2567927)

Nice start.

42. tribefan Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:42 PM (#2567929)

travis, my man.

43. PJ Martinez Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:42 PM (#2567930)

Thanks for the visual, Dan.

Sterling still can't get over it. "What a beginning," etc.

44. Amit Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:42 PM (#2567931)

They are just STROKING Wang.

45. Amit Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:43 PM (#2567932)

Pronk Took Wang the Other Way.

46. Dr Love Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:44 PM (#2567933)

No "Sizemore Went Deep On Wang Early" jokes? I guess this counts.

47. AuntBea Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:45 PM (#2567934)

With Wang softening, how long can Torre ride him tonight?

48. Amit Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:45 PM (#2567935)

Good question. Wang is going to have to stiffen in a hurry.

49. tribefan Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:46 PM (#2567936)

everyone brought their A game to the chatter, nice to see.

50. tribefan Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:47 PM (#2567937)

no talk of small ball, please

51. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:47 PM (#2567938)

The bunt has been helpful to both offenses? Like, when?

52. Tony H. Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:47 PM (#2567939)

Someone put a muzzle on Chip Carey, please.

53. AuntBea Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:48 PM (#2567940)

I think Sizemore was able to go deep on Wang because Wang can't seem to generate any sink with his balls.

54. tribefan Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:49 PM (#2567942)

Jhonny you ####### rule

55. NJ in DC loathes his classmates and the law Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:49 PM (#2567943)

What a ##### hit.

56. Amit Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:49 PM (#2567944)

Wang's not getting his balls where he wants them tonight.

57. Tony H. Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:49 PM (#2567945)

Thataway Jhonny

58. Robert S. Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:50 PM (#2567946)

Wang means penis.

59. AuntBea Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:51 PM (#2567948)

Wang tried to throw his balls inside, but Peralta fought him off.

60. tribefan Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:51 PM (#2567949)

get Rudys ugly ass mug off the TV

61. Textbook Editor Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:51 PM (#2567950)

2 runs are nothing. It'll take at least 6 to win this game, probably more like 8.

62. Dr Love Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:51 PM (#2567951)

Speared by Wang

63. PJ Martinez Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:51 PM (#2567952)

Yankees should still be favored to win this game.

64. Lassus Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:52 PM (#2567953)

The annoying thing for Yankee fans is that the hit was actually a bloop. Too slow to catch the runner at home, too far for Cano to get. But if the sinker-baller could get some sink on his damn pitches, this would be happening.

That's ok, boys, we got ourselves a heaping helping of Paul Byrd coming up.

Unless the starter's been switched. I just walked in.

65. SacBunt Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:52 PM (#2567954)

24 pitches in the first. Good start.

66. Tony H. Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:52 PM (#2567955)

Don't suck, please, Byrd. Give up two runs in four innings, that's all I ask.

67. tribefan Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:52 PM (#2567956)

61 - true, but good to start piling them up in the first though, no?

68. Joe Bivens, Ditch Digger Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:54 PM (#2567957)

Could they please win? Please please? Then, either team can win game 5 and I will be just as happy.

69. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:55 PM (#2567958)

Shut up Bivens.

70. AuntBea Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:55 PM (#2567959)

Torre has seemingly been curse this series. Almost none of his moves have worked out well.

71. tribefan Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:55 PM (#2567960)

any word on why shoppach over garko? just to make wedge feel like he's doing something?

72. Lassus Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:56 PM (#2567961)

HOLY CRAP

73. Cowboy Popup Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:56 PM (#2567962)

HA! Now he has more then one hit! Suck it Levski.

74. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:56 PM (#2567963)

Sets up the GIDP.

75. PJ Martinez Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:56 PM (#2567964)

Does Shoppach usually catch Byrd? That's what Sterling/Waldman seem to think.

76. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:56 PM (#2567965)

Shoppach always catches for Byrd.

77. Tony H. Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:56 PM (#2567966)

any word on why shoppach over garko? just to make wedge feel like he's doing something?

I think he just didn't want to interrupt the whole personal catcher thing. I don't think Vic has caught Byrd once this year.

78. PJ Martinez Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:57 PM (#2567967)

Jeter gets that 2007 postseason average over .100. Clutch.

79. tribefan Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:57 PM (#2567968)

forgot about that.

80. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:57 PM (#2567969)

I more chose the dates for the "reichs" on playoff appearance clusters. I just have this feeling that if the Yankees lose, Torre will be fired, and A-Rod will leave. Without Torre or A-Rod, I believe the Yankees will fail to make the playoffs next season.

81. Tony H. Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:57 PM (#2567970)

here we go...

82. tribefan Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:57 PM (#2567971)

####

83. PJ Martinez Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:57 PM (#2567972)

Anyone else think of The Wire whenever someone refers to "Byrd"? Didn't he kill the working man?

84. Bicycle RepairMan Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:58 PM (#2567973)

Arod surely will choke now!

85. Lassus Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:58 PM (#2567974)

TIME FOR THE MVP

(to please please please please please not suck. please. pretty please?)

86. Russ Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:58 PM (#2567975)

A-Rod... clutch situation #1 of the night.

87. PJ Martinez Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:58 PM (#2567976)

"Without Torre or A-Rod, I believe the Yankees will fail to make the playoffs next season."

Do you honestly Torre makes a positive difference in the Yankees making the postseason at this point?

88. Vogon Poet Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:58 PM (#2567977)

I think I could hit Byrd. Everything looks like a BP fastball.

89. Textbook Editor Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:58 PM (#2567978)

3-run HR right here. Ugh.

90. Amit Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:59 PM (#2567979)

Looks like A-Rod is scared.

91. Lassus Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:59 PM (#2567980)

They gotta start swinging at those 1st-pitch meatballs.

92. Dan Evensen Posted: October 08, 2007 at 07:59 PM (#2567981)

I doubt Byrd will last four.

93. tribefan Posted: October 08, 2007 at 08:00 PM (#2567982)

Byrd is the strikeout king!!

94. Amit Posted: October 08, 2007 at 08:00 PM (#2567983)

BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! SIGN WITH THE METS!!! BOOOOO!

95. Lassus Posted: October 08, 2007 at 08:00 PM (#2567984)

ouch

That first pitch did it. Stupid.

96. PJ Martinez Posted: October 08, 2007 at 08:00 PM (#2567985)

Awesome.

97. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: October 08, 2007 at 08:00 PM (#2567986)

And A-Rod can't catch up to the 86 MPH "heater".

98. Russ Posted: October 08, 2007 at 08:00 PM (#2567987)

Ouch for arod.

99. Bicycle RepairMan Posted: October 08, 2007 at 08:00 PM (#2567988)

uh oh! Arod, you are making it hard for me to pull for you!

100. retro-shiite Posted: October 08, 2007 at 08:00 PM (#2567989)

Paul Byrd, overpowering behemoth.

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