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Cubs (38-60) at Mets (59-40) 7:10pm ET on WGN

CHC: C. Zambrano (10-3, 3.11)
NYM: T. Glavine (11-3, 3.52)

NTNgod Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:27 AM | 257 comment(s)
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1. Chest Rockwell Posted: July 25, 2006 at 02:11 PM (#2111626)

Z on the mound - my once every five days excuse to root FOR the Cubs.

2. Lou Patterbrock Posted: July 25, 2006 at 02:32 PM (#2111657)

Who would have guessed that Dusty lasts further into the season than Harold Reynolds? Hendry, get on the phone and call his agent!

3. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 04:05 PM (#2111741)

Hendry, get on the phone and call his agent!

We could demote Theriot and let Reynolds start at 2B.

4. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 04:27 PM (#2111762)

So, Heilman and Milo for Zito eh?

5. Urban Faber Posted: July 25, 2006 at 04:47 PM (#2111775)

Well, Reynolds is a couple of years younger than Julio Franco.

6. Bob Koo Posted: July 25, 2006 at 06:25 PM (#2111849)

According to Will Carroll, Beltran has patella tendonitis, an injury that can be easily aggravated. I'm concerned; it does look like Beltran is slower in the field (like Sunday's no-catch of Oswalt's bloop) and Willie did want to sit Beltran down on Sunday (until Beltran convinced him otherwise. Why not give him some rest?

7. Imeat Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:05 PM (#2111887)

big z hasnt lost on the road since last august

8. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:07 PM (#2111892)

Nooo. Chris Cotter rocking the popped collar.

9. AJM Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:10 PM (#2111896)

I had an inflamed patella tendon last year. I could barely walk, I can't imagine playing baseball.

10. Bob Koo Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:12 PM (#2111898)

Chavez was fortunate there, but he's a great fielder. I like having him start with Glavine on the hill.

11. Russlan thinks Jose Reyes pops up too much Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:13 PM (#2111899)

I wouldn't worry too much about Beltran not getting enough rest. One thing we know about Beltran is that he's willing to take some time when he's hurting if he feels it is necessary. Remember this April?

12. Bob Koo Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:13 PM (#2111900)

Doh. Ramirez knew that inside fastball was coming.

13. Imeat Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:13 PM (#2111901)

i like aramis he hits home runs for the cubs

7 homers in the last 6 games

14. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:13 PM (#2111902)

Aramis Ramirez desperately trying to get traded...

15. Banta Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:14 PM (#2111903)

Interesting. Ramirez decided to be good again.

16. AJM Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:14 PM (#2111904)

Ugh.

17. Bob Koo Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:14 PM (#2111905)

Doh. Nevin waited well on that outside changeup.

18. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:14 PM (#2111906)

Glavine sucks again?

19. Imeat Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:15 PM (#2111907)

and nevin too

20. Banta Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:15 PM (#2111909)

Interesting. Nevin decided to be good again.

21. Russlan thinks Jose Reyes pops up too much Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:15 PM (#2111911)

Aramis Ramirez hits some monstrous home runs.

22. AJM Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:15 PM (#2111912)

Homers are bad Tommy, try to remember that.

23. Chris Dial Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:16 PM (#2111913)

I'm here to read the same invective Trax gets....

24. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:18 PM (#2111917)

I'm here to read the same invective Trax gets....

Glavine sucksorz.

25. Russlan thinks Jose Reyes pops up too much Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:18 PM (#2111918)

You know, Aramis Ramirez has the right to void his contract and become a free agent after the season. I bet he does.

26. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:21 PM (#2111920)

I would think so. Unless he likes hitting in Wrigley, which is a possibility.

27. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:23 PM (#2111924)

big z hasnt lost on the road since last august

...Against the Mets.

28. Imeat Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:23 PM (#2111927)

####

29. AJM Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:23 PM (#2111928)

I guess Beltran feels good.

30. Bob Koo Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:23 PM (#2111929)

Beltran! No doubt about that one.

31. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:24 PM (#2111931)

28...holy ####. Watch out Todd Hundley!

32. Banta Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:24 PM (#2111932)

Beltran's a good guy. I'd buy him a drink.

33. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:24 PM (#2111933)

That was a lusty poke.

34. Russlan thinks Jose Reyes pops up too much Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:28 PM (#2111940)

It's scary to think how good Carlos Zambrano would be if he cut down on the walks. He's a Cy Young candidate despite all the walks.

35. Russlan thinks Jose Reyes pops up too much Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:33 PM (#2111948)

The Cubs do still have an impressive core. Lee, Ramirez, and Barrett are three excellent blocks to build an offense around. They just need to do a better job surrounding these guys with talent.

36. Bob Koo Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:35 PM (#2111952)

Zambrano has 3 home runs? He probably should be batting 7th in this lineup.

37. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:36 PM (#2111954)

I think the worst thing that can happen to the Mets is a bad week for the starters. With it fresh in Omar's mind, it may force him into a deal for Armas or Kip Wells, or even Zito. I don't want the Mets making a move based on one bad week.

Omar should stand pat. If he takes a beating, so be it.

38. Imeat Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:39 PM (#2111962)

yeah but you could always use glendon rusch

39. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:39 PM (#2111964)

"Paul Lo Duca has his hands in many spots on this team."

Yes, and they include up Willie and Omar's ass.

Sanford!

40. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:39 PM (#2111965)

Glavine has been bad for almost three months now. It could be over for him if he can't even do well against the Cubs. He got hit by them last week, too.

41. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:41 PM (#2111969)

Left-handed bat off the bench...okay, but who's available?

42. Bob Koo Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:42 PM (#2111970)

Keith is right- I can't remember the last time the Mets played hit-and-run. Then again, it may have just been a straight steal by Floyd?

43. Bob Koo Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:42 PM (#2111975)

ENDY MAGIC!

44. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:43 PM (#2111976)

ENDER'S GAME!

45. AJM Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:43 PM (#2111977)

ENDY!

46. Rob Base Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:43 PM (#2111979)

Endichiro!

47. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:43 PM (#2111980)

That clinches it. I'm buying an Endy Chavez jersey.

48. Banta Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:43 PM (#2111981)

This is one magical ride Endy is on this season.

49. Imeat Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:43 PM (#2111982)

####### son of a ####### bithc goddammit mother ####### mets and their #### sucking ways

50. Russlan thinks Jose Reyes pops up too much Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:43 PM (#2111983)

Glavine posted 2.94 ERA in May after posting a 2.29 ERA in April, Vaux. He's struggling a little bit now but I'm not overly concerned yet. Endy!!!!!!!!!!

51. Joshemy Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:44 PM (#2111984)

Oh my god Endy!

52. J. Cross Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:44 PM (#2111985)

Awesome! Loved that and sure and heck didn't see it coming.

53. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:45 PM (#2111987)

The magic pixie dust continues. Unreal. What an out-of-body season Endy is having this year.

54. Bob Koo Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:45 PM (#2111988)

Ah c'mon. That first pitch to Reyes was definitely off the corner.

55. Banta Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:47 PM (#2111992)

I hope we don't end up looking at this season wondering how good things might have turned out for Reyes if he didn't hurt himself diving into first.

56. Russlan thinks Jose Reyes pops up too much Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:48 PM (#2111994)

Is this season really that remarkable for Endy? His OPS entering today was .728.

57. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:49 PM (#2111998)

It's up on Mets Geek, but obviously applies to any BTF chatterer here. We're meeting up at Shea Wednesday, August 9 for the Padres-Mets game.

58. Imeat Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:50 PM (#2112000)

but no one cares about the mets matt

59. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:50 PM (#2112001)

Is this season really that remarkable for Endy? His OPS entering today was .728.

Yes, and last year it was .542.

60. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:52 PM (#2112003)

Shut up meat.

61. Russlan thinks Jose Reyes pops up too much Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:52 PM (#2112004)

I hope we don't end up looking at this season wondering how good things might have turned out for Reyes if he didn't hurt himself diving into first.

Guys go on hot streaks and slumps. Just look at Delgado. He was slumping and now he's on a hot streak. If Reyes does revert to his old ways, which I doubt he will, it won't be because of an injury.

62. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:54 PM (#2112006)

Keith is a grandpa?

JUST FOR MEN!

63. Russlan thinks Jose Reyes pops up too much Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:54 PM (#2112007)

What was the AFLAC question?

64. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:55 PM (#2112010)

What was the AFLAC question?

Glavine is now fourth all-time in games started by a lefty. Who are the other three?

65. Banta Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:56 PM (#2112011)

Is this season really that remarkable for Endy? His OPS entering today was .728.

Nah, it makes sense seeing as how he's right in his peak years. His career OPS entering this season was 658 (with a .299 OBP). Still, I consider it magical because I don't really expect it to continue next year. He hasn't really shown any improved patience at the plate and I've seen a lot of hits that have just sort of fallen in. Subtract 20 points off his batting average and his OPS gets pretty close to his career marks. This could very well be his career year. Endy is not a good offensive player.

66. Russlan thinks Jose Reyes pops up too much Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:57 PM (#2112015)

Yes, and last year it was .542.

His career OPS entering this season was .658 so a .728 OPS in about 200 plate appearances isn't that amazing to me. Valentin's season has been much more remarkable IMO.

67. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:58 PM (#2112018)

What is up with Glavine? I shudder to think what'll happen when he faces major-league competition again.

68. Banta Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:59 PM (#2112021)

If Reyes does revert to his old ways, which I doubt he will, it won't be because of an injury.

I wasn't saying directly because of the injury, but he was on a roll before that. Which isn't to say that he won't be on a roll again, but if he doesn't, the injury would serve as an interesting bookmark if you're into selective endpoints.

69. AJM Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:59 PM (#2112022)

Glavine is now fourth all-time in games started by a lefty. Who are the other three?

Carlton, John, Plank.

70. Russlan thinks Jose Reyes pops up too much Posted: July 25, 2006 at 07:59 PM (#2112023)

Warren Spahn has to be one of theose guys. Steve Carlton is another.

71. Imeat Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:00 PM (#2112024)

he was safe

72. Banta Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:00 PM (#2112026)

Plus, Endy's season last year consisted of all of 116 ABs.

73. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:00 PM (#2112027)

Valentin's season has been much more remarkable IMO.

Never said it wasn't.

Considering Endy went into Spring Training in a battle with Tike Redman for the fifth outfielder job, this season has been magical. Chavez looked like a floating corpse in 2005, his first season as a true reserve. It appeared as if he could never make it as a bench player.

74. Banta Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:02 PM (#2112033)

What is up with Glavine? I shudder to think what'll happen when he faces major-league competition again.

All I can say is Pedro better be awesome when he gets healthy.

75. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:02 PM (#2112034)

What the #### is Glavine doing out there. This is the Cubs.

76. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:03 PM (#2112035)

Phew.

77. Banta Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:04 PM (#2112037)

And there goes LoDuca, trying to do everything in his power to not catch a ball.

78. AJM Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:04 PM (#2112038)

Jeez Lo Duca, can you catch anything?

79. Imeat Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:04 PM (#2112039)

barly had him there

80. Joshemy Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:04 PM (#2112041)

Nice clean catch LoDuca.

Not.

81. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:04 PM (#2112042)

Wow, Blow Duca blows.

82. Andere Richtingen Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:05 PM (#2112044)

Glad to see that Baker was paying attention this time.

83. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:06 PM (#2112048)

Battle of which starter can leave first.

84. AJM Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:07 PM (#2112049)

####.

85. Andere Richtingen Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:07 PM (#2112050)

Wow. The Mets are ####### up Kansas City Royally.

86. Imeat Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:07 PM (#2112051)

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA

HANK WHITE!!!!!ONEONEONEONE

87. Banta Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:07 PM (#2112052)

You know guys, I didn't hate LoDuca at the beginning of the season. I really had no preconceptions about him before the Mets got him. But now at this point, I think I hate LoDuca as much as someone can hate a player on the team that you root for. Everything about the guy really irritates me.

Of course, I'm hating Glavine a bit right now. But that's old hat!

88. Bob Koo Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:08 PM (#2112053)

What a disgraceful inning by Glavine. Mets manage 4 runs off Zambrano, and he can't keep the lead.

89. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:09 PM (#2112055)

Goodbye Milledge and Heilman!

90. Bob Koo Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:09 PM (#2112056)

And it all began with that inexplicable leadoff walk to Pierre.

91. Andere Richtingen Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:10 PM (#2112061)

All that I ask is for the Mets to beat the Cubs into a bloody pulp, because they're at the point where they need that. And they can't seem to do it. God I hate the Mets.

92. Banta Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:10 PM (#2112060)

Christ, this series could have disasterous consequences for all involved. It could lead Omar to believe that he really has to make a trade for a starter and Cubs management to reup Dusty.

93. Bob Koo Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:11 PM (#2112064)

In fairness, Glavine only gave up one hard-hit ball (the Blanco hit) during the inning. But the two walks were killer.

94. J. Cross Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:12 PM (#2112066)

You hate Lo Duca because he ALMOST didn't catch a ball?

95. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:12 PM (#2112068)

I can't believe Omar is considering Kip Wells, Tony Armas, Livan Hernandez and Rodrigo Lopez. If you're gonna make a move, get Zito.

96. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:15 PM (#2112070)

All that I ask is for the Mets to beat the Cubs into a bloody pulp, because they're at the point where they need that. And they can't seem to do it. God I hate the Mets.

The Mets aren't about to let Dusty leave the NL managing ranks. Plus, Victor Diaz isn't on the team.

97. AJM Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:17 PM (#2112073)

I can't believe Omar is considering Kip Wells, Tony Armas, Livan Hernandez and Rodrigo Lopez. If you're gonna make a move, get Zito.

I'd rather they stand pat.

98. Banta Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:17 PM (#2112074)

You hate Lo Duca because he ALMOST didn't catch a ball?

Uh, no.

I hate his personality, I hate his crappy defense (complete with his incredible lack of ability to move his body at all when blocking a ball), I hate his empty .300 batting average, I hate all the little mistakes that he makes during the course of the game that no one seems to notice.

I'm sure a bit part into why I don't like him is because of the media and therefore it's a bit unfair to hate LoDuca for that, but I don't really care. Somebody needs to hate the guy to balance the universe and I guess it falls to me.

99. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:17 PM (#2112075)

Let's see what Omar has to say...

100. Chris Dial Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:18 PM (#2112076)

Zambrano hurt his back on that first swing int hat AB. He's going to be done shortly.

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