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Monday, April 30, 2007

Marlins (11-13) at Mets (15-8) - 7:10 pm EDT

FLA: S. Olsen (2-1, 6.23)
NYM: O. Hernandez (2-1, 2.53) or A. Sele (1-0, 5.23) or C. Park (NA)

NTNgod Posted: April 30, 2007 at 03:07 AM | 124 comment(s)
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1. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 01:00 PM (#2349996)

Hernandez to the DL with bursitis. Interesting because my prediction that Park will be solid gets a chance to be vindicated. I'll either look smart or I'll look like an idiot. Like I said, 100 ERA+.

Also, Pelfrey and Park will be competing with each other for a spot when Duqu comes back.

2. Bob Koo Posted: April 30, 2007 at 01:40 PM (#2350034)

Going to my first 2007 game tonight (I'll be there Wednesday as well). At least I'll get to root for my countryman, but count me as a Park skeptic.

3. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 02:28 PM (#2350060)

Glad you're sticking with the Park prediction, Russlan. I was a bit concerned with his awful start that you'd move off of it, but you have to remember that you were standing behind Stache the whole time during his awful start too.

Of course, I expect Park to get lit up something fierce tonight and then we'll be seeing Jorge Sosa for the next turn in the rotation (I think we'd all like to see Vargas, but I think Sosa will come first).

Am I the only one not really concerned about the Stache and Duque injuries? They hurt a little bit, but I really don't think this is anything to get too upset about.

4. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: April 30, 2007 at 02:52 PM (#2350082)

I suspect Chan Ho will be fine - nothing special, but good enough to get by, particularly if Maine & Perez continue their long outings. I think we'll see Sosa before too long, but more likely in place of Pelfrey than Park.

The Stache news is much more troubling to me - the downgrade to Gotay/Easley is pretty significant. Plus "ACL injury" sounds pretty ominous.

5. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 03:57 PM (#2350141)

Stache is reportedly out for a month. That's a big blow. It'll be interesting to see how much time Gotay gets. I don;t expect he'll get much as Easley seems like one of "Willie's guys". Gotay was once a pretty well regarded prospect. It'll be interesting how he does.

6. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: April 30, 2007 at 04:12 PM (#2350152)

The Stache news is much more troubling to me

Ditto.

7. Raskolnikov Posted: April 30, 2007 at 04:47 PM (#2350184)

Actually, I like Stache getting a month's vacation, although I would have preferred it to come later in the year. I'm curious about Gotay, let's hope he makes the most of this shot.

For the future, the kid Lagares down in low A looks promising.

8. billyshears Posted: April 30, 2007 at 04:55 PM (#2350190)

Do you know what's ridiculous? When I checked the schedule and discovered there was a game today (Mondays can go either way) I was excited because I may actually get home from work early enough to watch some of it.

9. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: April 30, 2007 at 04:58 PM (#2350193)

Gotay over IPOR. Good.

I have faith in Easley. Is that a scary thing? I'm not sure how Easley/Gotay will fill the 2B gap for a month, but I don't think it's a big deal. The more important thing is that Park either does real well or real bad tonight.

10. Alan S Posted: April 30, 2007 at 05:46 PM (#2350245)

If Gotay gets significant playing time, I'm fine with Valentin being gone for a month. Valentin has gotten rid of just about all of his doubters, but I don't think anyone can argue that he should be expected to be the Mets second baseman into 2008 and beyond. Gotay's defensive reputation is terrible, but he's the most promising option the Mets have in the minors. I'd see what he can do.

11. Raskolnikov Posted: April 30, 2007 at 06:42 PM (#2350305)

I don't think anyone can argue that he should be expected to be the Mets second baseman into 2008 and beyond.

I will argue this. I think Valentin is still going strong. I don't think he has the stamina to play 150+ games plus postseason games and still give us optimal production, but I see little if any drop-off in his abilities. He still has great range. He still can leg out triples and steal the occasional base. And he can still hit it well beyond the right field walls at Shea.

If we don't get A-Rod next year, and if there isn't a top notch 2Bman available, I'd be happy to go to war with Stache as our 2008 starting 2Bman.

12. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:01 PM (#2350323)

Rats. Marlins announcers.

13. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:04 PM (#2350326)

Luis Castillo is a free agent at the end of the year. He'd be a nice addition, and a perfect 2 hitter.

SNY just said Stache will need a brace when he comes back. That ain't good.

14. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:09 PM (#2350334)

Rats. Marlins announcers.

Mlb.tv has Met announcers.

15. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:11 PM (#2350337)

Luis Castillo is a free agent at the end of the year. He'd be a nice addition, and a perfect 2 hitter.

I like the O-Dog, but i'm not sure if the DBacks see Callaspo in that role full-time in 2008.

16. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:14 PM (#2350338)

Well, that was a pretty nice inning.

17. TheUFactor Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:15 PM (#2350340)

Luis Castillo is a perfect # 2 hitter if you like to give away offense. You'd be ecstatic to get as many as 30 XBH out of him, and his career OBP of .368 isn't high enough to make him useful. His SB percentage hasn't even been much higher than breakeven.

18. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:15 PM (#2350341)

So far so good, Mr. Park. You look good, I look good.

19. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:16 PM (#2350342)

his career OBP of .368 isn't high enough to make him useful

Out of a second baseman, that's plenty useful.

20. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:17 PM (#2350343)

That was pretty good.

21. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:18 PM (#2350346)

Chan Ho dealin'!

22. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:18 PM (#2350347)

You'd be ecstatic to get as many as 30 XBH out of him, and his career OBP of .368 isn't high enough to make him useful. His SB percentage hasn't even been much higher than breakeven.

Perfect is going too far. But a .368 OBP is really good for a middle infielder and his defense is very good, or at least it was. There aren't a lot of good 2b out there. Any suggestions?

23. TheUFactor Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:19 PM (#2350348)

Out of a second baseman, that's plenty useful.

Even when it's higher than his SLG?

24. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:21 PM (#2350349)

What the hell are you doing Blow Duca?

25. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:21 PM (#2350350)

Lo Duca is dumb. He's lucky he didn't get thrown out there.

26. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:22 PM (#2350351)

Even when it's higher than his SLG?

Yes, I believe so. An average second baseman hits pretty poorly. I don't remember the exact numbers, but they aren't very good.

That said, I don't think I'd sign Castillo because if he loses his ability to hit around 300 (he'll be 32 next year), then he is pretty worthless.

27. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:23 PM (#2350353)

Wow, it's crazy that the Mets have scored as many runners as they have with only a .240 BA with RISP.

28. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:23 PM (#2350354)

It's been said before, but David Wright sucks.

29. TheUFactor Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:24 PM (#2350356)

There aren't a lot of good 2b out there. Any suggestions?

I guess there aren't too many - but then the 2b would bat eighth, not second. I don't want a career OPS+ under 100 there. We'd give up some depth on O, but if we get our pitching questions answered, it'll be OK

30. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:26 PM (#2350360)

I don't want a career OPS+ under 100 there

Career OPS sort of undervalues Castillo because OPS+ undervalues OBP.

Blowduca's career OPS+ is 102. Just throwing that out there.

31. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:30 PM (#2350362)

Park is looking good.

32. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:33 PM (#2350363)

I think Park realizes this is pitch well or go back to Korea.

33. TheUFactor Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:34 PM (#2350364)

I'm not in love with Lo Duca 2nd either

Checking:
Castillo EQA .265
Lo Duca EQA .263 (.277 2006)

34. TheUFactor Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:36 PM (#2350366)

I am concerned because I saw somewhere that Castillo's BA is highly dependent on infield hits, an his offense is highly dependent on BA

35. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:39 PM (#2350369)

I really like Olsen as a pitcher. I proposed Olsen for Milledge early in the season last year but it'd obviously take more now. The Marlins sure know how to find good young pitchers.

36. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:41 PM (#2350371)

Out of curiosity, how fast is Park throwing?

37. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:42 PM (#2350374)

SNY has him at 87-89.

38. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:42 PM (#2350375)

He's maxed out at 92, mostly 88-90.

39. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:44 PM (#2350377)

Is Olsen a better hitter than Milledge too?

40. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:47 PM (#2350380)

Bare down, CHP.

41. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:47 PM (#2350381)

UM, bear down.

42. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:48 PM (#2350382)

I think Park might be reverting into Park right now.

I guess 2 2/3s was about all you could expect.

43. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:48 PM (#2350384)

Uh, time to quit sucking, Park.

44. 2 Balls on Clemente Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:48 PM (#2350385)

This is more like the Chan Ho I've read about.

45. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:49 PM (#2350386)

Walking two men to load the bases for Miggy Cabrera is very, very dumb.

46. 2 Balls on Clemente Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:50 PM (#2350388)

I don't think it's stupid -- it looks like he truly cannot throw a strike.

47. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:50 PM (#2350389)

This is so bad.

48. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:50 PM (#2350390)

Stache would've caught that.

49. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:50 PM (#2350391)

Oh yay, Easley over Stache has cost us two runs already.

50. 2 Balls on Clemente Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:51 PM (#2350395)

WTF WAS THAT

51. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:51 PM (#2350396)

WTF Reyes?!

Well, this one's over.

52. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:52 PM (#2350397)

Park is getting screwed by the defense. He should be out of this inning.

53. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:52 PM (#2350398)

Fantastic.

54. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:53 PM (#2350402)

You know what's funny, the Mets always play badly when Minaya is being interviewed.

55. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:54 PM (#2350403)

Stache might have caught that one too.

56. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:54 PM (#2350404)

Five runs. #### this.

57. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:54 PM (#2350405)

This is getting ridiculous.

58. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:55 PM (#2350406)

This si some bad luck. Park didn't help himself by allowing a hit to a pitcher and two walks, but this is bad luck.

59. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:55 PM (#2350407)

NOW it's over. Goodnight, fellas.

60. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: April 30, 2007 at 07:55 PM (#2350408)

Nice job blocking the pitch, Blow Duca.

61. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:01 PM (#2350414)

The Marlins announcers just said that it's ok that LoDuca is hitting 220, because Reyes and Beltran are doing so well, obviously LoDuca has to be doing something right.

62. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:03 PM (#2350418)

This would be a wonderful time for Delgado and Wright to stop being completely worthless.

63. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:04 PM (#2350420)

A home run would be nice here.

64. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:06 PM (#2350426)

I WANT MIKE JACOBS BACK

In all seriousness, when are we allowed to get concerned about Delgado's slump? This is even worse than his rough patch last summer.

Come on, David.

65. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:06 PM (#2350427)

83 more.

66. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:07 PM (#2350429)

This lineup is totally worthless right now.

67. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:08 PM (#2350432)

I am so annoyed right now. There's no way the Mets should be down this much.

68. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:11 PM (#2350434)

Almezega? Really?

69. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:11 PM (#2350435)

I don't care about Park's bad luck. I never want to see this bum again.

It's funny how an offensive slump can put you in such a foul mood.

70. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:13 PM (#2350436)

Honestly, giving up a homer to Almezaga isn't as bad as walking Uggla in the last inning. You want him hitting the ball in the air.

71. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:13 PM (#2350437)

Seriously, this man needs to be Limaed.

72. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:14 PM (#2350438)

Well, the good news is Park probably won't get another start.

73. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:14 PM (#2350439)

Hanley crushed that. He's so, so good.

74. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:17 PM (#2350443)

Well, I guess I like look an idiot. That being said, the Met defense didn't help Park very much tonight.

75. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:21 PM (#2350447)

Whoo! Ruben Gotay time!

I really hope that Gotay gets more than 1/5th of the starts, like I fear he's going to.

76. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:22 PM (#2350449)

And Gotay smokes a ball that Cabrera makes a great play on. Yeah, this one isn't looking good.

77. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:22 PM (#2350450)

Do you guys think the Mets are going to cut Park after the game? It's not like he's done anything to deserve a spot in the organization.

78. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:24 PM (#2350452)

The Amburglar...

79. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:33 PM (#2350458)

Do you guys think the Mets are going to cut Park after the game? It's not like he's done anything to deserve a spot in the organization.

They'll send him down if they decide not to give him another start. You need someone to start in AAA.

80. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:35 PM (#2350459)

Hundley's going down.

81. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:35 PM (#2350460)

Beltran is the only one that's hitting right now.

82. 2 Balls on Clemente Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:35 PM (#2350461)

Carlos uno pwns Carlos dos.

83. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:37 PM (#2350464)

I propose the nickname of "Silk" for Beltran because that's what he is as smooth as.

84. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:39 PM (#2350467)

You need someone to start in AAA.

Sure, I'd listen if the Mets called.

85. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:44 PM (#2350470)

This game is hilarious. You rule, Blowduca!

86. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:44 PM (#2350471)

Free Castro!

87. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:44 PM (#2350472)

Lo Duca sucks.

88. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:46 PM (#2350474)

Sure, I'd listen if the Mets called.

Classic.

How the hell do you pitch to Hanley?

89. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:52 PM (#2350480)

Mets showing signs of life. A case of too little too late? Probably.

90. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:55 PM (#2350483)

A mini rally. Keep it going Easley.

91. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: April 30, 2007 at 08:57 PM (#2350484)

Stache would've gotten a hit there.

92. Banta Posted: April 30, 2007 at 09:00 PM (#2350487)

Well then... interesting.

93. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: April 30, 2007 at 09:00 PM (#2350488)

Woo Reyes!

Don't suck Blow Duca.

94. Alan S Posted: April 30, 2007 at 09:01 PM (#2350491)

LoDuca continues to suck.

95. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: April 30, 2007 at 09:03 PM (#2350493)

He didn't listen to me.

96. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 09:04 PM (#2350495)

Lo Duca sucks.

97. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 09:13 PM (#2350506)

Silk is red hot right now.

98. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: April 30, 2007 at 09:16 PM (#2350510)

Wright's going to hit a homer.

99. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: April 30, 2007 at 09:16 PM (#2350511)

Come on Wright.

100. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: April 30, 2007 at 09:19 PM (#2350519)

Dammit.

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