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Thursday, August 31, 2006

Mets (82-49) at Rockies (61-71) 9:05 pm EDT on ESPN2

NYM: O. Perez (2-10, 6.78)
COL: J. Francis (10-10, 3.53)

NTNgod Posted: August 31, 2006 at 04:44 AM | 124 comment(s)
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1. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:24 AM (#2162969)

Williams was optioned out for IPOR, of all people.

The move was made to allow the Mets to carry an extra position player into the playoffs. I have a hard time seeing Hernandez being that guy.

2. Properly Chagrinned (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 31, 2006 at 12:36 PM (#2163133)

I'm hoping it's Fonzie...

3. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: August 31, 2006 at 07:55 PM (#2163935)

Me too, but I doubt it will be. Fonzie is hitting .262/.349/.377 in Norfolk, that's not good, though it is better than IPOR.

4. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: August 31, 2006 at 08:02 PM (#2163942)

I don't have a hard time seeing Hernandez being on the playoff roster as a defensive specialist/pinch runner.

5. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 31, 2006 at 08:06 PM (#2163949)

Isn't Fonzie completely cooked? I wish it weren't so (he was the only late-90s Met I liked), but isn't it true? And isn't he essentially incapable of playing decent defense now? Hernandez can pick it. He's probably more useful.

6. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: August 31, 2006 at 08:09 PM (#2163953)

Yeah, but it's Fonzie dammit!

7. Banta Posted: August 31, 2006 at 08:09 PM (#2163956)

Isn't Fonzie completely cooked?

Totally. But sentimentally, I want him on the postseason roster. And we all know sentiment alone is worth a win or two in the playoffs.

8. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 31, 2006 at 08:12 PM (#2163957)

They don't call it the World Series of warm feelings. It's the World Series of baseball. Fonzie is like Bernie Williams, only worse. Sometimes, you have to be hard.

9. Raskolnikov Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:08 PM (#2164023)

They don't call it the World Series of warm feelings. It's the World Series of baseball.

rLr, you must be related to that Yanks coach who IBBed to get to the cancer kid.

10. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:10 PM (#2164029)

Jose Reyes is beautiful.

11. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:10 PM (#2164030)

rLr, you must be related to that Yanks coach who IBBed to get to the cancer kid.

I would tell my players to bunt against John Lester.

12. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:11 PM (#2164033)

I hate first inning bunts.

13. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:12 PM (#2164034)

That AB by Reyes shows how much his plate discipline has improved. Didn't swing at 4 close pitches, works a 3-1 count, and smokes a cookie down the line.

14. Raskolnikov Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:12 PM (#2164035)

Jose Reyes is awesome.

15. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:13 PM (#2164038)

SUGAR PANTS ############!!!

16. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:14 PM (#2164039)

David Wright!

17. Raskolnikov Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:14 PM (#2164041)

DWright!!!!

18. Raskolnikov Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:16 PM (#2164042)

These 1st innings are ridiculous. Generous of Willie to give away an out.

19. Raskolnikov Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:18 PM (#2164045)

For a minute there I thought we were going to blow the Rockies away in the 1st again.

20. Banta Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:20 PM (#2164050)

Well, that might be the worst throw I've seen Reyes make all year.

21. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:24 PM (#2164058)

This isn't good.

22. Raskolnikov Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:24 PM (#2164059)

I'm not liking this start here for Ollie.

23. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:27 PM (#2164063)

Ugh.

24. Raskolnikov Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:28 PM (#2164068)

Freaking bleep. Looks like Oliver is going to get some work tonight.

25. Free Rob Base Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:30 PM (#2164069)

SUGAR PANTS ############!!!

What's up with this?

26. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:31 PM (#2164071)

Unfortunately, it appears that is Wright's most prominent nickname as of right now.

27. Raskolnikov Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:34 PM (#2164077)

Argh. Shoot me in the head right now, save the torture.

28. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:34 PM (#2164079)

Time for Agassi/Baghdatis.

29. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:34 PM (#2164080)

Oliver seems to have earned that 7+ ERA.

30. Banta Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:35 PM (#2164081)

Yeah, "Sugar Pants" really sucks. My brain bleeds a little bit everytime I read it.

31. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:37 PM (#2164083)

Well, Perez looks to have a good slider and...that's all I got.

32. Raskolnikov Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:37 PM (#2164085)

Ahh no, don't walk the #8 hitter.

33. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:38 PM (#2164087)

Why Sugar Pants anyway? Is it because he has a sweet ass?

34. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:39 PM (#2164091)

39 pitches. Yikes.

What was his velocity on the SNY gun? He was 89-90 most of the time on the Colorado broadcast, with 92 his fastest.

35. Raskolnikov Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:39 PM (#2164092)

Whew. Well, it could have been worse. Oh the bright side, at least things are settling down a bit in the Middle East.

36. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:40 PM (#2164095)

Terrible call. That was very low.

37. Raskolnikov Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:41 PM (#2164098)

I'm beginning to detest Shawn Green.

38. Banta Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:42 PM (#2164099)

He was 89-90 most of the time on the Colorado broadcast, with 92 his fastest.

91-92 with 94 as his fastest.

You know, I thought Endy's hitting was a lucky at the beginning of the season, but as time as gone on, I really think he's learned something this season.

39. Raskolnikov Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:42 PM (#2164101)

Alright, Endy.

40. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:43 PM (#2164102)

So he can't bunt either, great.

41. Banta Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:43 PM (#2164103)

was a lucky

I meant to have "bit" in there, but I sort of like it as it stands.

Excellent work by Perez. He's really a great all around contributer.

42. Raskolnikov Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:45 PM (#2164104)

Geez, Perez's WPA must be like -28 tonight.

43. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:46 PM (#2164106)

I guess Francis won't be throwing a no-hitter today. He looked pretty good when I saw him at Shea.

44. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:47 PM (#2164108)

Looks like Jamey Carroll remembered that he's Jamey Carroll.

45. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:51 PM (#2164109)

Beltran is good.

46. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:52 PM (#2164110)

WORST. MECHANICS. EVER.

47. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:54 PM (#2164111)

Phew.

48. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:54 PM (#2164112)

Hey, a scoreless inning!

That was painful.

49. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:55 PM (#2164114)

Perez is sort of getting away with it, but he's been quite awful.

50. Banta Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:56 PM (#2164115)

WORST. MECHANICS. EVER.

We should all coax ChadBradfordWannabe into doing a detailed analysis.

The way I see things with Oliver Perez is either he's hurt and hiding it or he has to be completely rebuilt from the ground up. Maybe both.

51. Raskolnikov Posted: August 31, 2006 at 09:57 PM (#2164116)

At least we get to see Reyes lead off again.

52. Greg Franklin Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:01 PM (#2164118)

Couple more nickname questions:

1) Why is Hernandez "IPOR"? International Plan of Record??

2) How come you haven't labeled Perez "Cousin Oliver" yet? He really doesn't fit in at all on this roster,.

53. Raskolnikov Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:01 PM (#2164119)

I love this lineup. Too bad Delgado's out.

54. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:02 PM (#2164121)

Why is Hernandez "IPOR"?

In play, out recorded.

55. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:03 PM (#2164123)

In Play Out(s) Recorded

56. Raskolnikov Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:03 PM (#2164124)

Why is Hernandez "IPOR"?

In play. Out Recorded. Coined by OFF back in April.

57. Banta Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:04 PM (#2164125)

Why is Hernandez "IPOR"? International Plan of Record??

In play - out(s) recorded. It's what it says on gameday when you're tracking a game before they tell you the actual result of a ball in play.

2) How come you haven't labeled Perez "Cousin Oliver" yet? He really doesn't fit in at all on this roster,.

That's damn good.

58. Banta Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:05 PM (#2164127)

I think that might set a record for most consecutive posts answering the same question.

59. Raskolnikov Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:07 PM (#2164128)

We're much weaker against lefties. The downgrade from Delgado to Franco is significant. Nady would look real good in this lineup now. I'm having dumper's remorse - couldn't we get back together again?

60. Banta Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:08 PM (#2164131)

I just want you guys to know that you can join my "I want Nady back" Club at anytime. I won't hold your earlier misguided notions against you. We're an equal-opportunity organization.

61. Banta Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:10 PM (#2164135)

Funny that you posted that then, Rask. Shall I send you out our introductory pamphlet and bumper sticker?

62. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:10 PM (#2164136)

Perez at just under 12 pitches were out. In the pitchers hit league (of course, the pitcher got a hit off him). Yikes.

63. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:11 PM (#2164137)

That should have been just under 12 pitches per out. Of course, he's back to just over ten now.

64. Raskolnikov Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:13 PM (#2164141)

Funny that you posted that then, Rask. Shall I send you out our introductory pamphlet and bumper sticker?

A couple more innings like this from Ollie, and I'll go door to door spreading your gospel like Jehovah's Witness.

65. Banta Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:13 PM (#2164142)

Wow, the ball is hit so hard off of Perez that it knocks players over. Granted, Reyes isn't a very big guy...

66. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:14 PM (#2164143)

First major league hit for Tulowitzki. Not a mighty clout, but he's gotta start somewhere.

67. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:14 PM (#2164145)

I hope this is Perez's last start this year.

68. Greg Franklin Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:15 PM (#2164148)

Thanks for the info, guys. That Met Game Chatter wiki article will get done someday.....

Tulowitzk-- Tulowhissk-- ..... Troy!!

That's damn good.

As long as we were discussing Fonzie, suppose we needed to pair him with another 70s icon.

69. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:17 PM (#2164149)

Maybe Oliver Perez needs some help.

70. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:17 PM (#2164150)

Oliver Perez is like a left-handed Scott Erickson with a better fastball. That's not a compliment.

Back up to 12 pitches per out.

71. Raskolnikov Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:18 PM (#2164152)

Send Ollie to the showers, please. Do it for my health.

72. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:19 PM (#2164155)

Perez has deserved to allow a lot more runs than he has. And he's allowing them at a 15 ERA clip.

73. Raskolnikov Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:20 PM (#2164156)

Nice DP! Oliver Perez is either the best worst pitcher or the worst best pitcher I've ever seen.

74. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:21 PM (#2164157)

Oliver Perez has stuff. Even tonight when he doesn't have his best stuff, he's between 88-92 with his fastball which is more than enough to succeed as a lefthanded starter. He simply has no idea where the ball is going.

75. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:21 PM (#2164158)

Perez should throw a 15 run, 255 pitch complete game. Of course, the Mets would have to win the game for him to get to the bottom of the ninth, so I predict a 17-15 Mets victory.

76. Raskolnikov Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:22 PM (#2164161)

As long as we were discussing Fonzie, suppose we needed to pair him with another 70s icon.

In the words of a wise man I met recently - "They don't call it warm feelings. They call it baseball."

77. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:27 PM (#2164165)

Why aren't they pinch hitting for Perez!?

78. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:28 PM (#2164167)

Why is Perez hitting?

79. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:29 PM (#2164168)

I can't believe Willie is letting Perez hit.

80. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:30 PM (#2164169)

That K wasn't at all predictable.

81. Banta Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:30 PM (#2164171)

He simply has no idea where the ball is going.

And that's completely related to why he doesn't throw as fast as he used to. If Oliver Perez recovers some of his form, I don't think it's gonna be as a pitcher who throws 88-92, it will be as one who throws 94-96, or thereabouts. It's not because he doesn't have the stuff to succeed as is, it's that I believe his control problems are tied directly to the loss in his fastball velocity. Which, as I said before, means he's either suffering from a severe mechanical problem or an injury problem. Neither bode well for the future.

Basically, my entire point is, this isn't a guy who's a tweak or two away. And if the Pirates are as bad of a pitching organization as some have claimed (with good reason), there's no reason to think he was gonna recover at any point this year. Meaning, the Mets probably could have acquired him in the offseason. No doubt their scouts should have been able to see how bad Perez is right now.

82. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:31 PM (#2164172)

Jose!

83. Banta Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:32 PM (#2164175)

JOSE REYES

84. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:32 PM (#2164176)

Jose Reyes is good at baseball.

85. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:33 PM (#2164177)

This is basically Willy telling everybody that he just wants to see Perez and the outcome means less than seeing another inning from Perez.

86. NTNgod Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:39 PM (#2164183)

It's not because he doesn't have the stuff to succeed as is, it's that I believe his control problems are tied directly to the loss in his fastball velocity

His BB/9 has always been pretty high, with the exception of 2004, even when he threw 97-98 pretty regularly...

2002: 4.8
2003: 5.5
2004: 3.7
2005: 6.1
2006: 6.2 (entering tonight)

87. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:40 PM (#2164185)

This is basically Willy telling everybody that he just wants to see Perez and the outcome means less than seeing another inning from Perez.

But Perez is at 85 pitches already. How much more is Willie going to be able to see? I can see it in the second, but not in the fourth.

88. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:42 PM (#2164191)

This guy is terrible. He's not a major league pitcher.

89. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:43 PM (#2164192)

You don't pinch hit for him so you can take him out after two ####### batters?

90. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:43 PM (#2164193)

Jesus.

91. Banta Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:46 PM (#2164196)

His BB/9 has always been pretty high, with the exception of 2004, even when he threw 97-98 pretty regularly...

Well, after 2004 was when his velocity really started to slip and 2002-2003 combined equals about one full season, meaning his BB/9 for those two years was probably around 5.2. Which is high, but obviously it's gotten a lot worse.

Plus, BB/9 isn't the end all to control. He didn't walk a ton tonight, but he sucked because he left his pitches consistently right over the middle of the plate.

92. NTNgod Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:46 PM (#2164197)

This guy is terrible. He's not a major league pitcher.

Three innings into Perez' Mets career, OFF already had him penciled in as the Mets #3 playoff starter.

93. Chris Dial Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:46 PM (#2164198)

Okay, that's *4* infield hits. That's ridiculous.

94. Chris Dial Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:49 PM (#2164203)

Three innings into Perez' Mets career, OFF already had him penciled in as the Mets #3 playoff starter.

Instead of the league leader in WINS!

95. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:50 PM (#2164207)

Three innings into Perez' Mets career, OFF already had him penciled in as the Mets #3 playoff starter.

Which is kinda funny since OFF still won't drink the Roberto Hernandez Kool-Aid 80 innings into his Mets career.

96. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:52 PM (#2164209)

What happened to my favorite Met this month? Two homers?

97. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:53 PM (#2164212)

I didn't realize just how poor Julio Franco has been this year. I fear inability to hit will end his career prematurely.

98. Banta Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:55 PM (#2164215)

I'm still confident that the Mets will win this game. Even Cousin Oliver can't derail this sweep.

99. Banta Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:56 PM (#2164218)

How many doubleplays has Franco grounded into? It has to be a fairly obscene number for someone with his amount of ABs.

100. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:56 PM (#2164220)

Incidentally, the final tally for pitches per out was 10.5555555555. That's not a good ratio.

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