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Wednesday, May 07, 2008

New York Mets (16-15) @ Los Angeles Dodgers (19-14), Wednesday, May 7, 2008, 3:10pm

NYM: John Maine (27, RHP, 3-2, 3.48)
LAD: Brad Penny (30, RHP, 5-2, 3.19)

The Primer Chimp Posted: May 07, 2008 at 09:00 AM | 167 comment(s)
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1. Bob Koo Posted: May 07, 2008 at 01:18 PM (#2772260)

We'll win today. Yeah, that's the ticket.

2. Conor Posted: May 07, 2008 at 01:52 PM (#2772306)

Maine has pitched well so far this year (116 ERA+), and he's done better since his poor opening start, but he is still averaging only around 5.5 IP per start. He needs to start working deeper into games; that is the next step in his evolution as a pitcher. I think his last start was a step in the right direction; correct me if I'm wrong but he started the 6th with around 100 pitches and was able to get through the inning?
With Pedro hurt and Perez struggling, Maine is the unquestioned #2 guy on the staff, and I think he needs to average at least 6 innings a start this year.

3. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:08 PM (#2772402)

They got no shot.

4. Bob Koo Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:13 PM (#2772415)

OK, I'm going to have a positive attitude about this game and this team. Let's Go Mets!

5. Bob Koo Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:16 PM (#2772425)

Nice AB, Luis! We'll get him next inning!

6. Conor Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:20 PM (#2772429)

As a Met, John Maine is averaging exactly 8 K's per 9 innings. Pretty impressive. Who would have thought when we got him?

7. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:21 PM (#2772430)

I think Angel Pagan just killed himself.

8. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:21 PM (#2772431)

It's alive!

9. Conor Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:22 PM (#2772434)

Following the game online; what did Pagan do?

10. Conor Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:22 PM (#2772436)

By the way, I can't be the only one who thought Endy should have got the start in CF once Beltran was out, right?

11. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:24 PM (#2772438)

He caught a ball near the stands, then flipped into the stands, landed on his head/shoulder, and was down for a little bit.

12. Bob Koo Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:24 PM (#2772441)

Good inning for Maine. Well done!

13. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:25 PM (#2772442)

Yeah, Endy should've been in.

14. Conor Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:28 PM (#2772446)

Beltran is hitting in the worst luck.

15. Properly Chagrinned (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:31 PM (#2772451)

Afternoon, gents!

Ryan Church continues to impress.

16. haplo53 Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:32 PM (#2772454)

Beltran is hitting in the worst luck.

I was thinking the same thing. I checked on his LD% a couple days ago and it was about 25% (I think his career % is like 19%), so you'd hope some of those will start falling.

17. Properly Chagrinned (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:32 PM (#2772455)

And Pagan singles setting up for the slugger, Marlon Anderson.

6-4-3 anyone?

18. Properly Chagrinned (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:35 PM (#2772458)

MARLON MAGIC!

19. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:35 PM (#2772459)

Marlon Magic!

Damn ground rule double, cost us a run.

20. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:35 PM (#2772460)

Marlon smoked that ball.

21. haplo53 Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:35 PM (#2772461)

Even with a hit with RISP, the Mets can't catch a break.

22. Bob Koo Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:36 PM (#2772462)

Let's go Casanova, get at least one more home!

23. Conor Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:36 PM (#2772463)

I was thinking the same thing. I checked on his LD% a couple days ago and it was about 25% (I think his career % is like 19%), so you'd hope some of those will start falling.

Isn't the rule of thumb something your BABP is your LD% plus .11 or something? He has the 25 LD% like you said, and his BABIP isn't even 260.

24. Conor Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:37 PM (#2772464)

I kinda like Casanova as a back up.

25. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:37 PM (#2772465)

Casanova!

26. Properly Chagrinned (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:37 PM (#2772466)

RRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

27. Bob Koo Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:38 PM (#2772467)

Yeah Raul!

28. Conor Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:38 PM (#2772468)

Following on Gameday is the worst when you have a situation like guy on third and less than 2 out because you see in play run(s) and you don't know if it's a hit or a sac fly or something.

29. haplo53 Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:38 PM (#2772469)

This will kill my fantasy team (Penny), but this is sweet. Keep it going.

30. Properly Chagrinned (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:39 PM (#2772470)

Will he be jose or Jose! today?

31. haplo53 Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:39 PM (#2772471)

Following on Gameday is the worst when you have a situation like guy on third and less than 2 out because you see in play run(s) and you don't know if it's a hit or a sac fly or something.

Heh, I dunno, I find the anticipation creates some drama there.

32. Bob Koo Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:40 PM (#2772472)

Sweet, we're making Penny work. And I'm sure Mr. Kuo is unavailable today.

33. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:40 PM (#2772473)

The Mets are really making Penny work.

34. Properly Chagrinned (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:40 PM (#2772474)

Is it my imagination or has Penny been 3-1 on, like, everybody today?

35. Properly Chagrinned (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:41 PM (#2772475)

Come on, Slappy McContract!

36. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:42 PM (#2772476)

The Mets got a hit with RISP and 2-out! A miracle!

37. haplo53 Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:42 PM (#2772477)

And I'm sure Mr. Kuo is unavailable today.

Normally I'd say that... but with this guy... I mean, how can you shoot the devil in the back? What if you miss?

(Just kidding... sort of).

38. Properly Chagrinned (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:42 PM (#2772479)

YES!

No C'mon, Diamod Dave! Put a hurt on 'em!

39. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:42 PM (#2772480)

Slappy!

Why does Wright suck now?

40. Conor Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:43 PM (#2772481)

Lets hope Maine does a better job with a lead than Figgy.

Is it my imagination or has Penny been 3-1 on, like, everybody today?

That was my feeling too, but apparently he has a 2:1 strike to ball ratio. Seems like a lot of foul balls, especially to Castillo and Beltran.

41. haplo53 Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:43 PM (#2772483)

David may need a day off at some point here.

42. Bob Koo Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:44 PM (#2772484)

You know, the Mets have played a pretty tough schedule so far. 3 with Arizona, 3 with LA, 3 with the Cubs, 3 with Milwaukee, 5 with Atlanta, and 5 with Philadelphia. That's 22 out of 32 against perceived contenders.

43. Properly Chagrinned (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:44 PM (#2772485)

52 pitches in 2 IP is rather Opie-like...

44. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:45 PM (#2772486)

Nice play David.

45. Conor Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:46 PM (#2772488)

You know, the Mets have played a pretty tough schedule so far. 3 with Arizona, 3 with LA, 3 with the Cubs, 3 with Milwaukee, 5 with Atlanta, and 5 with Philadelphia. That's 22 out of 32 against perceived contenders.

You shorted them a game against Philly, right? But you gave one to the Cubs, I see.

And Florida isn't supposed to contend, but they're over 500 also. 13 of those games were on the road, I believe.

46. haplo53 Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:46 PM (#2772489)

You know, the Mets have played a pretty tough schedule so far. 3 with Arizona, 3 with LA, 3 with the Cubs, 3 with Milwaukee, 5 with Atlanta, and 5 with Philadelphia. That's 22 out of 32 against perceived contenders.

I noticed that too. On ESPN's standings page they have a thing for strength of schedule, and the Mets have had the toughest thus far. The Braves and Phillies had the easiest and third-easiest, respectively.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/rpi?season=2008&sortColumn=sos

47. Properly Chagrinned (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:48 PM (#2772491)

OK, I'm only following along on Gameday, but it seems like Maine is dealin'...

48. haplo53 Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:48 PM (#2772492)

Maine looking like Maine for the first time all year.

49. Bob Koo Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:49 PM (#2772493)

Thanks for the correction. So 17-15 or 16-16 against that schedule ain't bad at all.

50. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:49 PM (#2772494)

Maine throwing strikes. That's always a good sign.

Honestly, if the Mets win today, I'll be content with this road trip. 3-3 against the best teams in the West on the road with only start from Johan? The Mets have had a pretty tough schedule overall.

51. Conor Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:50 PM (#2772495)

Agree with Russlan.

Gameday had those last 2 strikes at 95 and 96.

52. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:51 PM (#2772496)

Beltran with a hit!

53. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:51 PM (#2772497)

Haha, I should have refreshed.

54. Conor Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:52 PM (#2772500)

Maine with 19 pitches in 2 innings.

55. Properly Chagrinned (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:53 PM (#2772501)

Church!

56. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:53 PM (#2772502)

A break, we don't get too many of those.

57. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:54 PM (#2772504)

I am always surprised at how few strikeouts Penny gets.

58. Properly Chagrinned (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:55 PM (#2772505)

Angel of The Afternoon! Nice ribbie.

59. haplo53 Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:55 PM (#2772507)

Marlon crushing the ball today.

60. Properly Chagrinned (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:55 PM (#2772508)

But Marlon effs it up by hacking at the first pitch...

61. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:56 PM (#2772510)

A steal on a pitchout, nice.

62. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:58 PM (#2772511)

Kent has looked really bad in the field this series. He barely got to that slow roller.

63. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:00 PM (#2772514)

Pagan out, Endy in.

64. Conor Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:00 PM (#2772515)

Endy in for Pagan?

At least we have the A team outfield for Maine now.

65. Properly Chagrinned (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:01 PM (#2772516)

Alright, boys. I'll leave this game in your capable hands...

66. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:02 PM (#2772518)

Maine already has 4 groundouts, which means he is having success throwing low strikes.

67. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:02 PM (#2772520)

There goes the no-hitter.

68. Conor Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:04 PM (#2772522)

Fangraphs is an awesome site:

In 06, Maine threw 72.8% fastballs, which has got to rank near the top. 11% sliders, 11% changeups, 5% curveballs. (Don't really remember these).

Last year he was about 66% FB. His changeup stayed about the same, to 12%. So the rest went to sliders, to 21%.

Finally this year, he is throwing the fastball a little more, 69%. But he has pretty much reversed the % for his secondary pitches, now 21% changeups and 9% sliders.

I have no idea what it means but its all very cool.

69. Bob Koo Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:05 PM (#2772525)

Maine's getting his share of groundballs tonight, eh? Is that because he's locating the low fastball well?

70. Bob Koo Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:06 PM (#2772528)

Haha, I guess I should have refreshed.

71. Conor Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:07 PM (#2772531)

32 pitches through 3.

72. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:08 PM (#2772532)

Is today the day a Met starter sees the 8th inning?

73. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:08 PM (#2772533)

I thought I noticed a few more changeups from Maine in his last couple of starts, it looks like a good pitch.

74. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:09 PM (#2772534)

Haha, I guess I should have refreshed.

The hive mind of Met chatter is emerging.

75. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:12 PM (#2772538)

An extra-base hit for Slappy? What's next? Another hit with RISP and 2-out?

76. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:13 PM (#2772540)

By the way, does it really make sense to play Kemp in center and Pierre in left?

77. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:16 PM (#2772543)

Another groundball from Maine. That's six of his ten outs.

78. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:19 PM (#2772545)

The only thing preventing Maine from being an ace is control. His stuff is more than good enough. He is throwing hard this season.

79. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:19 PM (#2772546)

Kent can't like that. Bad memories.

80. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:20 PM (#2772549)

Maine just hit 96 twice.

81. Bob Koo Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:21 PM (#2772551)

Maine!

82. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:21 PM (#2772552)

Maine hit 97 MPH on the gun in the 4th.

83. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:21 PM (#2772553)

Is anyone watching on SNY? What is it clocking him at?

84. Conor Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:22 PM (#2772554)

According to gameday, in that AB to Kent he went 96,96,95,96,96,95

85. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:22 PM (#2772557)

He hit 97 in Az, also. These guns must be hot.

86. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:23 PM (#2772558)

SNY has Maine at 95. Penny at 91-93.

87. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:24 PM (#2772559)

Beltran robbed again.

88. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:24 PM (#2772561)

Beltran is going to send Loney a basket full of poisoned dates after this game.

89. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:26 PM (#2772562)

Jeez, Beltran has been hitting into some bad luck recently. Loney robbed him there.

He hit 97 in Az, also. These guns must be hot.

I think mosts guns are hot compared to Shea's gun. Maine's usually 91-93 MPH at Shea with a few at 94-95.

90. haplo53 Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:27 PM (#2772564)

Man, Beltran is REALLY unlucky.

91. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:29 PM (#2772566)

Marlon with the wheels.

92. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:30 PM (#2772567)

Hu is a poor defensive SS. You can tell he is a second baseman.

93. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:30 PM (#2772569)

Hu is a poor defensive SS.

I'm not sure what else Hu could've done there.

94. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:33 PM (#2772573)

It's not just that play although a good throw gets him. He didn't make a great tag on Pagan and hasn't gotten to some balls that I expected him to.

95. haplo53 Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:34 PM (#2772574)

Penny got too cute with Maine.

96. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:40 PM (#2772581)

I want to see Maine toss the shutout.

97. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:41 PM (#2772582)

Proctor picking up where Penny left off.

Though I'm sure Wright will make an out.

98. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:41 PM (#2772583)

That was better than an out.

99. Bob Koo Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:41 PM (#2772584)

I am really enjoying this game on GameDay.

100. CrosbyBird Posted: May 07, 2008 at 04:43 PM (#2772588)

Finally. I was starting to get testy about how cold Wright was getting.

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