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Tuesday, July 29, 2008

New York Mets (57-49) @ Florida Marlins (56-50), Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 7:10pm

NYM: Oliver Perez (, LHP, 6-6, 4.15)
FLA: Scott Olsen (, LHP, 6-5, 4.07)

The Primer Chimp Posted: July 29, 2008 at 09:00 AM | 194 comment(s)
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   1. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 29, 2008 at 12:01 PM (#2879944)
So, apparently Pedro in the bullpen for one inning tonight.
   2. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: July 29, 2008 at 03:51 PM (#2880349)
YAY! Potentially more ammunition I can use to resent Pedro!
   3. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 04:41 PM (#2880425)
A few minor league notes from BA:

1) Brad Holt yet again makes the Hot List (# 5), with this comment:

Holt makes his second straight appearance on the Hot Sheet after a two-start week where he fanned 21 batters in 11 1/3 innings. Holt struck out 14 in six innings on Thursday, running his season strikeout total up to 51, tops in the NYP. The only worse news for league hitters is that Holt told a reporter that he has been throwing his curveball more, meaning he may have been successful in developing that second pitch.

Right now, I think I put Holt at # 5 among all Mets' prospects:

1) F-Mart
2) Flores
3) Niese
4) Murphy
5) Holt
6) Havens
7) Murphy
8) Evans
9) Carp
10) Thole

Or something like that -- Ike Davis has to show more to get on the list, but could move up quickly if/when he does. I don't believe at all in Parnell or Kunz. I'd like to be convinced about young Pena, but he, too, has to show something . . . .

2) They didn't put Niese on the Hot List, but they like what they're seeing:

Just 21, Binghamton LHP Jon Niese (Mets) has succeeded in Double-A by cutting his fastball and showing the ability to consistently pitch inside to righthanded hitters. . . . [T]he more he shows he can pitch off the fastball and locate it enough to combat righthanded hitters, the closer he is to the big leagues. He went 1-0, 2.63 this week, with 15 strikeouts, four walks and 14 hits (no home runs) in 13 2/3 innings.

Nice.

3) Mixed reports on Murphy -- good bat, bad glove . . .

The Mets have given him a long look at second base, but at least one scout contacted by BA says the move won't take. Murphy, 23, made four errors in the 14 games he's played at second, and scouts doubt he has the agility needed for the position. He can hit, though, batting .320/.485/.640 on the week with two homers, two doubles, seven RBIs, eight walks and only one strikeout. And Murphy should have enough bat for first base, third base or even left field, the three positions he played in addition to second in the last week.

The guy would be SO much more valuable if he were even an adequate second baseman. Damn.
   4. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 29, 2008 at 04:42 PM (#2880429)
How about a little more chatter on the bullpen? I understand the resentment against Manuel for his usage of the pen, but realistically, it is flawed in the way it was constructed.

There's really only room for one of Pedro Feliciano, Scott Schoeneweis and Joe Smith in the bullpen. Maybe two. If you take away the closer and long man, you have five middle relievers. I think you need four of them to be able to come into most situations.

Sanchez and Heilman are the only ones trusted to get both lefties and righties out. And that's a serious problem.
   5. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 05:02 PM (#2880463)
I understand the resentment against Manuel for his usage of the pen, but realistically, it is flawed in the way it was constructed.

The problem is that you can't manage the bullpen for a five-inning game (Maine coming out in the middle of the fifth) as if you are managing them for a two- or three-inning game. That's what Manuel did last night, using Feliciano for one out in the fifth and then immediately pinch-hitting for him. Especially since he knew he didn't have Heilman and was thus short anyway, he just could not do that. When he brought Feliciano in, he either had to double-switch so he could leave him in for the sixth, or he had to just let him hit in the top of the sixth.

Yes, I know that Feliciano has big trouble with righties. But you have to take that chance in recognition of how far the bullpen had to stretch last night and how few arms were available. That is what Manuel missed, and it's not a function of bullpen construction (though that is a more general issue, I agree). If you're going to end up with either Schoeneweis facing a slew of righties in the 8th, or Feliciano doing it in the 6th, which would YOU prefer?
   6. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 29, 2008 at 05:39 PM (#2880507)
This, from the Rubin blog:

• Manuel said he’d be intrigued about hard-throwing Binghamton closer Eddie Kunz joining the bullpen. But the interim manager said any such dialogue hadn’t yet reached his level yet, indicating nothing imminent along those lines.
   7. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 06:06 PM (#2880538)
The bullpen is a problem because the Mets really only use Heilman for more than one inning in a game. Sanchez probably should have gone two innings last night. The Mets probably need anothe reliever.
   8. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 06:18 PM (#2880555)
I guess I can't really list Murphy twice, can I? Oops. Revised list:

1) F-Mart
2) Flores
3) Niese
4) Murphy
5) Holt
6) Havens
7) Evans
8) Carp
9) Thole
10) Davis

You'll notice Ruben Tejada does NOT appear anywhere on this list. Nor is he likely ever to. .594 OPS's just don't cut it, not even in the FSL. Especially not when you also have only 5 steals (and 4 CS's). No power, little apparent speed? No prospect.
   9. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: July 29, 2008 at 06:19 PM (#2880558)
You'd put Murphy above Holt and Havens? Despite the fact he can only play first base with any competence?
   10. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 06:19 PM (#2880559)


1) F-Mart
2) Flores
3) Niese
4) Murphy
5) Holt
6) Havens
7) Murphy
8) Evans
9) Carp
10) Thole


I know you don't think much of the Met farm system but does Murphy really warrant two spots in the top-10? I think Thole is a better prospect than either Murphy or Carp. I'd also probably include Pena. A .700 OPS isn't bad for a young catcher with good defense.
   11. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:02 PM (#2880630)
You'd put Murphy above Holt and Havens? Despite the fact he can only play first base with any competence?

Hitting is the single most important, and sometimes underrated, skill. Scouts look at toolsy prospects and think the coaches can teach them to hit the damn ball because they have a pretty swing and/or they can hit the ball 450 feet the rare few times they make contact.

Murphy is a hitter. The Mets have precious few of them in the system. The kid can play left field if he absolutely has to. I love me some Reese Havens, but he hasn't passed the St. Lucie test ("Can this hitter survive in a tough hitter's environment?") and he hasn't passed the AA test ("Can he thrive once the dregs are weeded out and he's facing only real, solid competition?"). Murphy has passed those tests with flying colors. I love me some Brad Holt, and you can make a case to put him ahead of Murphy because of Murphy's defensive limitations, but Holt has a miniscule number of starts, in the NY-P League. He still has a lot to prove. But I wouldn't scream bloody murder if you flipped them . . . .
   12. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:03 PM (#2880637)
And why the hell are we getting the Marlins' broadcasters on MLB.tv again? They are the worse homers in the division . . . just utterly shameless.
   13. zack Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:04 PM (#2880638)
Why in the heck do the big Florida righty bats have huge reverse platoon splits this year?
OPS vs. RHP / LHP
Hanley .979 / .737
Uggla 1.032 / .629
Willingham .897 / .621

Hanley has a normal split for his career, Uggla is reverse, and Willingham is about even. Those are huge reverse splits, similar to Delgado's normal split.

Still a bit worried about the RHB power vs Ollie.
   14. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:13 PM (#2880659)
Jesus, Jose. You cannot make the first out at third base.

Of course, he never tagged him. Nice call, Bucknor. What a terrible umpire.
   15. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:14 PM (#2880661)
And Keith has no problem with that... HUH?!
   16. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:14 PM (#2880663)
And why the hell are we getting the Marlins' broadcasters on MLB.tv again? They are the worse homers in the division . . . just utterly shameless.

Mlb.tv only uses the home broadcast.
   17. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:15 PM (#2880664)
Thank you, Jose. That's one run right there. (And I was wrong. The call was right, and it was by West, not Bucknor.)
   18. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:15 PM (#2880667)
Jesus, Jose. You cannot make the first out at third base.

It took a good play to get him. Florida usually doesn't make good plays. I don't mind that at all.
   19. Alan S Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:16 PM (#2880670)
Three batters. Three very hard hit balls. Three doubles. 1 run, so far.
   20. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:16 PM (#2880669)
Olsen K/9 has really declined this season.
   21. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:16 PM (#2880671)
Wow, they are just torching Olsen so far. Every swing has been a blast.
   22. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:17 PM (#2880675)
I don't mind that at all.

Oy. You've got to know the situation -- I don't care who the opponent is. Nobody out in the first inning? You can't go to third on that ball.
   23. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:21 PM (#2880686)
Oy. You've got to know the situation -- I don't care who the opponent is. Nobody out in the first inning? You can't go to third on that ball.

I disagree.
   24. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:24 PM (#2880701)
Hell, if you're Jose Reyes on second base, and Nick Evans doesn't get you to third (or drive you in himself), you can just steal third and be there with one out. You have a better chance of stealing that base from second than you do of stretching it into a triple.

Made short work of Hanley . . . .
   25. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:25 PM (#2880704)
If Evans keeps up the good at-bats, is it silly to think the Mets would consider a straight Endy-Evans platoon?
   26. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:27 PM (#2880710)
Christ, stop calling him "Hammer." These announcers are just pitiful.
   27. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:27 PM (#2880712)
If Evans keeps up the good at-bats, is it silly to think the Mets would consider a straight Endy-Evans platoon?

If Church is healthy, I don;t think the Mets will make a move but it won't be an Endy/Evans platoon. It'll be a Tatis/Endy platoon.
   28. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:27 PM (#2880713)
is it silly to think the Mets would consider a straight Endy-Evans platoon?

Are you assuming they are never going to go back to Church? Because if he comes back, then such a platoon would mean the end of Tatis . . . .
   29. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:28 PM (#2880717)
Ollie's not throwing very hard.
   30. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:30 PM (#2880723)
Ollie's not throwing very hard.

He's throwing plenty hard. The ball's just not going very fast.

(Old Tom Seaver joke . . . .)
   31. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:31 PM (#2880732)
Well, I'm still not counting on Church for anything. Haven't seen a reason to, yet.
   32. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:33 PM (#2880735)
So has there been ANY word on John Maine??? I have to think no news is bad news . . . if the Mets got bad news, they'd want to keep it quiet as maybe they pursue a trade so they don't get held up.
   33. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:36 PM (#2880745)
Holt is pitching today and hasn't started well. He has walked the bases loaded.
   34. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:37 PM (#2880753)
Maine apparently had the MRI in New York late this afternoon. So it's possible there just hasn't been any announcement made yet.
   35. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:37 PM (#2880754)
(Old Tom Seaver joke . . . .)

His sense of humor is only matched by his modesty.
   36. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:41 PM (#2880767)
Ross is annoying.
   37. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:41 PM (#2880768)
Seaver said that late in his career, when asked if he threw the ball as hard as he used to. He said yeah, he threw as hard as he ever did . . it just didn't go as fast. Funny guy, that Seaver.
   38. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:43 PM (#2880776)
How about Schneider for that Volstad fellow? Schneider is chock full of leadership and all that rubbish.
   39. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:43 PM (#2880782)
Really, I can't stand these Marlins announcers anymore.
   40. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:44 PM (#2880783)
Ollie, Ollie, Ollie. You can't walk Paul Hoover to let them clear Olsen. Geez.
   41. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:44 PM (#2880784)
You can't walk Hoover there.
   42. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:44 PM (#2880787)
Hoover sucks.
   43. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:45 PM (#2880789)
Joe West is a moron. The 1-0 pitch was a strike.
   44. Alan S Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:45 PM (#2880792)
This is not Good Ollie tonight, but it's not quite BAD Ollie either.
   45. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:46 PM (#2880793)
There's a Marlins fan who is really on Delgado. I have no clue why Marlins fans would be hating on him.
   46. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:47 PM (#2880802)
It's a tough lineup for Ollie to pitch to. Only one lefty and a lot of power-hitting righties.
   47. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:50 PM (#2880811)
Hey-Man says the Phillies are in the lead for Manny. A package would include Pat Burrell.
   48. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:50 PM (#2880814)
I really like Olsen as a pitcher.
   49. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:52 PM (#2880820)
Hey-Man says the Phillies are in the lead for Manny. A package would include Pat Burrell.

That would be a wash. A total wash. Burrell has a .985 OPS -- is Manny that much better? I seriously doubt it, particularly when you take into account that Manny is even worse defensively than Burrell. If the Phillies make that deal, it will NOT make them better.
   50. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:53 PM (#2880821)
Hey-Man says the Phillies are in the lead for Manny. A package would include Pat Burrell.

Burrell is pretty much the same player as Manny so it's not much of a difference and if it depletes the Phillies system even more, I have no problem with that.
   51. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:54 PM (#2880823)
The only thing the Phillies MIGHT get out of that is that Manny is signed (if they exercise the options) for the next two years, whereas Burrell is a FA. So you have two more years of a dangerous hitter . . . if you want Manny. Which I don't.
   52. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 07:58 PM (#2880831)
The only thing the Phillies MIGHT get out of that is that Manny is signed (if they exercise the options) for the next two years, whereas Burrell is a FA. So you have two more years of a dangerous hitter . . . if you want Manny. Which I don't.

He won't get 20 million a year in free agency.
   53. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:00 PM (#2880834)
I don't care who the Phillies get. I'll be extremely happy if and when Pat The Bat is no longer playing for them.
   54. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:00 PM (#2880835)
He won't get 20 million a year in free agency.

No, perhaps not. But he'll get close enough, and he'll get more than one year guaranteed. I'm sure he'd rather have 3/$54 than 1/$20, which is all he'd have guaranteed if the Sox (or a team to which he's traded) picks up his option.
   55. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:03 PM (#2880845)
Olsen is cruising.
   56. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:03 PM (#2880846)
Carlos I goes yard here.
   57. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:04 PM (#2880850)
Unless, of course, Olsen ducks him like an AFLAC trivia question . . . .
   58. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:06 PM (#2880856)
That's a swell double pun, Sam.
   59. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:08 PM (#2880864)
I thought that was falling in for sure.

HIS NAME IS DAN UGGLA!!!111
   60. CrosbyBird Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:13 PM (#2880885)
If the Phillies make that deal, it will NOT make them better.

I disagree, if the non-Burrell players are negligible.

Burrell is standing on his head this season, while Ramirez is having a fairly typical season. Odds are that Ramirez will outperform Burrell offensively for the rest of the season, quite possibly by a very large margin. Also, Burrell is almost certainly not playing for Philly in 2009. Ramirez is good enough that even with a decline, he'll be useful for the 2009 and 2010 seasons.

I think this trade immediately improves the Phillies, and this is a year where a tiny difference could very well be enough to succeed. Manny's contract through 2010 is quite possibly better in the long run than the contracts coming down the pipe for the offensive players like Dunn or Tex. If he really collapses, they are only on the hook for that year.

The question is whether the two draft picks they get for Burrell would be better than having club decisions on Ramirez.
   61. Alan S Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:16 PM (#2880898)
Ollie's doing an excellent job so far tonight without great command of his stuff.
   62. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:18 PM (#2880903)
Burrell is standing on his head this season, while Ramirez is having a fairly typical season. Odds are that Ramirez will outperform Burrell offensively for the rest of the season, quite possibly by a very large margin.

It is very unlikely to be "by a very large margin." Manny the last two years has been a 126, and now a 142 OPS player. He's not the hitter he was through 2006 -- he's clearly worse than the guy who regularly put up .600+ slugging percentages. I agree that Burrell has been outpacing his norms in putting up a 151 OPS, but even if you put him more around a 130-135, that puts him in Manny's range (if a little bit worse) as a hitter. And when you take into account defense and baserunning, the trade would be a wash for the rest of 2008. There is no reason to expect the Phillies would be better off in the current pennant race. None.
   63. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:19 PM (#2880904)
Burrell's ZR is excellent this year oddly enough.
   64. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:26 PM (#2880922)
The Red Sox bats have been VERY quiet tonight through five. John Lackey has kept them very, very quiet. If you catch my drift.
   65. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:27 PM (#2880927)
No, I don't.
   66. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:28 PM (#2880928)
Ohh, now I do.
   67. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:28 PM (#2880931)
John Lackey might be the most anonymous great pitcher in baseball.
   68. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:29 PM (#2880934)
That, to me, is Roy Halladay.
   69. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:30 PM (#2880937)
Beltran playing ball somewhere in Ottawa.
   70. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:30 PM (#2880939)
So, Hanley does have a flaw as an offensive player.
   71. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:31 PM (#2880945)
Would you have him NOT play deep for Hanley Ramirez?
   72. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:31 PM (#2880947)
Halladay is great but he has won a Cy Young. How anonymous could he be?
   73. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:32 PM (#2880949)
How anonymous could he be?

Still, no one respects the man.

OLLIE!
   74. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:32 PM (#2880950)
I'm just busting Beltran's chops.

But, in general, he does play too ####### deep.

And the much needed DP. Well done, Ollie.
   75. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:32 PM (#2880952)
Boy, has this become a critical inning. One out, pitcher up . . . looked like it could be a breeze.

And now, Ollie gets out of it. Whew.
   76. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:35 PM (#2880961)
Sox bats still quiet through six.
   77. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:37 PM (#2880965)
It doesn't look like the Mets are scoring off Olsen tonight.
   78. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:37 PM (#2880967)
Mild shoulder strain for Maine.
   79. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:38 PM (#2880974)
Aw ####. That doesn't sound good.
   80. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:38 PM (#2880976)
Mild shoulder strain for Maine.

Could be spin.
   81. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:40 PM (#2880986)
Aw ####. That doesn't sound good.

I wonder what you'd say about it if the announcement was a torn labrum. If "mild shoulder strain" isn't about as good as we could have hoped for, I don't know what is. Unless it's BS spin, of course, which is certainly possible.
   82. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:41 PM (#2880991)
Anything with the shoulder is always bad.
   83. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:42 PM (#2880999)
Well, hell, we KNEW it was the shoulder. Once we knew that, the best you can hope for is something like "mild strain," as opposed to "torn rotator" or "labrum."
   84. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:45 PM (#2881019)
Great PA by Delgado.
   85. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:46 PM (#2881022)
Olsen can't have wanted to do that; he's handled Carlos II fairly well so far, and he surely didn't want to put Evans into scoring position. But it was a nice PA by Delgado, that's for sure.
   86. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:47 PM (#2881024)
Beltran with the clutch.
   87. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:48 PM (#2881028)
Eres Aqui!
   88. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:49 PM (#2881033)
Bases loaded. Inning over.
   89. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:49 PM (#2881034)
This inning is all Nick Evans. Hehe.
   90. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:49 PM (#2881035)
We could easley break this game open right here . . . .
   91. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:51 PM (#2881042)
We could easley break this game open right here . . .

That's NY Post-esque.
   92. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:52 PM (#2881045)
That's NY Post-esque.

Now, there's no reason to get nasty, Russlan.
   93. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:53 PM (#2881047)
Lindstrom. Throws. Hard.
   94. Sam M. Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:54 PM (#2881052)
Easley just swung at ball four. Ugh.
   95. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:54 PM (#2881053)
I understand he's old. But we traded this for... Jason Vargas? Baffling.
   96. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:55 PM (#2881060)
Ah, the bases loaded curse strikes again.
   97. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:56 PM (#2881063)
Brad Holt with seven walks tonight. I guess even the best are entitled to a bad game or two.
   98. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:57 PM (#2881067)
I understand he's old. But we traded this for... Jason Vargas? Baffling.

Look at Jason Vargas' track record at that point. He dominated the minors, and pitched quite well in the big leagues in 2005. His 2006 was disastrous but there certainly was a good chance that he'd be an average starting pitcher. He got hurt. It happens.

BTW, when is Burgos due back?
   99. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:59 PM (#2881074)
Jason Vargas's stuff was never THAT good, Russlan. I saw him pitch in 2005 and wasn't impressed.
   100. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 29, 2008 at 08:59 PM (#2881078)
Rubin had a Burgos update today:

• Ambiorix Burgos, the hard-throwing reliever acquired from the Royals two winters ago, is visiting the Mets today. Burgos has been throwing off a mound for 20 days and expects to pitch in a minor-league game for the first time Saturday. He had Tommy John elbow surgery last August.
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