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Tuesday, October 04, 2005

NL West Champion San Diego at NL Central Champion St. Louis 1:05pm ET on ESPN

J. Peavy (0-0, NA) vs. C. Carpenter (0-0, NA)

On paper it’s a mismatch, but the Padres won the season series 4-3. For the Padres to have a shot at this thing, I think they need to win all of Peavy’s starts. Chris Carpenter’s likely still going to win the Cy Young, but he had an ugly September.

SG in ATL Posted: October 04, 2005 at 08:26 AM | 152 comment(s)
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1. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2005 at 10:21 AM (#1661260)

As a Cardinals fan, I'm worried. However, I don't know if I'm worried because I'm always worried when they reach the playoffs or if it's because they've been very beatable for the past month.

I think it's a mix of both. I don't think this series is going to be as easy for the Cardinals as a lot of people think.

AO

2. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: October 04, 2005 at 11:54 AM (#1661602)

Have rosters even been released yet for this game?

3. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: October 04, 2005 at 11:58 AM (#1661615)

OK, I found 'em on Yahoo. I found them impossible to find on MLB.com, which is odd.

4. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: October 04, 2005 at 12:13 PM (#1661675)

Starting Lineups
No. San Diego St. Louis
1 Dave Roberts, CF David Eckstein, SS
2 Ryan Klesko, LF Jim Edmonds, CF
3 Mark Loretta, 2B Albert Pujols, 1B
4 Brian Giles, RF Larry Walker, RF
5 Mark Sweeney, 1B Reggie Sanders, LF
6 Ramon Hernandez, C Mark Grudzielanek, 2B
7 Khalil Greene, SS Abraham O. Nunez, 3B
8 Joe Randa, 3B Yadier Molina, C
9 Jake Peavy, P Chris Carpenter, P</pre>

5. Charles S. for art collecting and yelling Posted: October 04, 2005 at 12:26 PM (#1661710)

Go Pads!! Gotta cheer for Northwestern's own Mark Loretta. And any team that plays against a Matt Morris team is okay by me. I can't stand that guy.

6. Walt E Posted: October 04, 2005 at 12:28 PM (#1661719)

Any suggestions on which broadcast team to stream while I'm at work? I haven't listened to the Pads team at all this season, and maybe once to the Cards back in April.

7. rembini06 Posted: October 04, 2005 at 12:52 PM (#1661776)

I prefer Lightener (sp.?) and Coleman honestly. Shannon's a little too folksy for me and Hagin is way, way too corporate.

8. Dr Love Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:01 PM (#1661792)

There's nothing like faking all the sound bites and video clips for an intro. Thanks ESPN.

9. 1k5v3L Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:05 PM (#1661798)

Bochy has put together an interesting lineup...

10. mbd1mbd1 Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:14 PM (#1661819)

You never know what the Moonman is going to say - pick up the KMOX broadcast.

GO CARDS!

11. Tanto Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:16 PM (#1661822)

I like this matchup, if only because I can watch two of the guys I love to watch hit the most, Pujols and Giles, in the same game.

12. Walt E Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:16 PM (#1661823)

Thanks guys-- my office-mate's extended family is from St. Louis (which I didn't know) so we're going with KMOX.

13. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:17 PM (#1661825)

I just thought I'd return from beyond the abyss of my doctoral work to say that this series is going to be an ugly piece of crap and the Pardes are going to win it in four, with Carpenter and Morris both totally SUCKING!

14. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:17 PM (#1661827)

Carpenter's getting squeezed.

15. Keep your hand off my Poohole Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:18 PM (#1661829)

Just watching on Gameday, it appears that my worries about Carpenter are warranted. A lot of pitches, with poor control, looks more like September Chris than August Chris, which could be big trouble in a short series.

Cardinals, don't let me down?!?!?

16. mbd1mbd1 Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:20 PM (#1661836)

There you go Vaux, that's just the reverse jinx we needed.

17. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:20 PM (#1661837)

Leitner thinks he's Coleman... "the six-inch right-hander."

18. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:21 PM (#1661840)

Reverse jinx? What reverse jinx?

[looks the other way and hums to self]

19. Keep your hand off my Poohole Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:21 PM (#1661841)

Although of course, my firm belief is that this series will be lost by Ray F. King, who has been absolutely atrocious, and will for some odd reason be asked to pitch to Giles with the game on the line at some point.

When King comes in, we could hopefully see a base hit with a runner thrown out at the plate (if King can avoid interfering with Molina catching the ball), but more likely is a walk or hit batsmen, than an ejction, and a Cardinals loss.

Cardinals, don't let me down?!?!?

20. The Jerry Royster Experience Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:22 PM (#1661845)

There you go Vaux, that's just the reverse jinx we needed.

Vaux is good at those.

21. Bowling Baseball Fan Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:23 PM (#1661847)

I love watching Edmonds swing.

22. Keep your hand off my Poohole Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:23 PM (#1661848)

JIMMY !!!!!!!!!!!

23. Tanto Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:23 PM (#1661849)

Well, so much for my dreams of a Padres upset.

24. mbd1mbd1 Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:24 PM (#1661852)

Jedmonds!

25. The Mexicoan George Jefferson(Sheriff Blalock) Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:25 PM (#1661853)

Good choice on KMOX. Shannon spouts out a lot of WTF's and has one of the great laughs I have ever heard.

26. The Mexicoan George Jefferson(Sheriff Blalock) Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:26 PM (#1661857)

WOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! Great way to start!

27. The Mexicoan George Jefferson(Sheriff Blalock) Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:29 PM (#1661863)

I saw on the ESPN ticker that Reyes is out for the playoffs. I was hoping he'd get used to get some lefties as he seems to have pretty good success against them. Plus, he's been about their most consistent bulpen guy all year.

28. Bowling Baseball Fan Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:30 PM (#1661864)

1st bad call of the post season.

29. Tanto Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:30 PM (#1661865)

He was out.

30. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:32 PM (#1661871)

Don Diekengered.

31. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:32 PM (#1661873)

Yup, it's not like Flopinter can pitch around this, either.

32. Bowling Baseball Fan Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:32 PM (#1661874)

Um, okay Eckstein. Someone tell these guys they're not the Cubs.

33. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:35 PM (#1661882)

GIDP - that takes care of the two miscues.

34. rembini06 Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:35 PM (#1661883)

Vaux, I love you.

35. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:41 PM (#1661893)

It's a good thing for Greene that that was a Molina.

36. Keep your hand off my Poohole Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:42 PM (#1661894)

Any offense by Abraham Rolen or Yadier Matheny would be a lovely bonus.

Pitch counts still have me worried that Ray F. King will be forced to tear himself away from the buffet line to screw up this game somehow.

Free Jason Marquis!!

37. VoodooR Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:47 PM (#1661903)

two on! here come the padres!

38. Keep your hand off my Poohole Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:48 PM (#1661906)

Anyone actually lucky enough to watch the game care to comment on how Carpenter looks. Watching on Gameday I am not feeling too confident this 1-0 lead is going to hold up.

39. The Mexicoan George Jefferson(Sheriff Blalock) Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:49 PM (#1661908)

I was thinking the same thing, poo.

40. The Jerry Royster Experience Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:49 PM (#1661909)

Why is Mark Loretta batting third?

41. Tanto Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:50 PM (#1661910)

Tell me again why Roberts should steal against a pitcher who doesn't allow any steals with the heart of the order up, Joe...

42. The Man in Blak Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:53 PM (#1661914)

He's had some issues locating the curveball - he's especially left a couple of hangers up in the zone that really should have been clobbered.

Fastball-wise, he's been a little bit of everywhere. Earlier, he was topping out at 89-90 mph, which is about three mph off of his velocity through the summer. He's been hitting 93 on this at-bat with Loretta, though, so maybe he was just warming up a bit.

The rest of his pitches seemed to be as usual - got Peavy swinging on a nice slider. Changeup was working fairly well.

Nice double play by Nunez. I wish I was downtown at the stadium right now.

43. The Mexicoan George Jefferson(Sheriff Blalock) Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:54 PM (#1661915)

I'm going to lunch to watch for an hour.

44. Dr Love Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:54 PM (#1661916)

Why is Mark Loretta batting third?

Miller said that because Klesko is drawing walks, Bochy put him 2nd, and thus Loretta 3rd.

45. Psychedelic Red Pants Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:54 PM (#1661917)

I keep waiting for Morgan to say that 90% of the game is half mental.

I wish he'd elaborate a little bit more on how Carpenter's rhythm makes it easy to steal off of him, though.

46. Keep your hand off my Poohole Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:54 PM (#1661918)

Well, I'm glad pitch counts don't decide games, because the 53 to 19 differential would be tough to make up.

Let's score some runs - someone needs to get on ahead of the big boys here.

47. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:56 PM (#1661921)

Anyone actually lucky enough to watch the game care to comment on how Carpenter looks.

Imagine a rope spanning Niagara Falls. He's standing on top of it, holding some type of long stick.

48. Psychedelic Red Pants Posted: October 04, 2005 at 01:59 PM (#1661927)

Well, I'm glad pitch counts don't decide games, because the 53 to 19 differential would be tough to make up.

I'm confident in Peavy's ability to close that gap.

49. The Man in Blak Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:00 PM (#1661928)

Walking Pujols to load the bases for Walker? Um, that's...interesting.

50. Tanto Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:00 PM (#1661929)

The Pads are getting fluked to death.

51. Bowling Baseball Fan Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:01 PM (#1661930)

This has blowout written all over it, now. I say 6-0 after this inning.

52. The Man in Blak Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:01 PM (#1661932)

You think Jake was a little nervous there?

53. Dig!!! JMM Dig!!! Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:01 PM (#1661935)

Leitner thinks he's Coleman... "the six-inch right-hander."

I think that's more than we really need to know.

54. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:02 PM (#1661936)

Yeah, Peavy slipping and blowing out his arm is exactly the Padres need.

55. Bowling Baseball Fan Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:03 PM (#1661937)

All or nothing Sanders up.

56. Bowling Baseball Fan Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:04 PM (#1661942)

Coach said kill the pitch, not pitch-ER.

57. Bowling Baseball Fan Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:05 PM (#1661944)

Talk about a strange 3 runs.

58. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:07 PM (#1661957)

There is some lousy defense being played today.

"To facilitate comparison, he devised a standard system into which he transnotated all his examples, as Mersenne had done. While Mersenne's system was designed to highlight the similarities in support of a theory of physical universalism, Rousseau's had the opposite intent of displaying musical diversities in support of a theory of cultural humanism."

crash

59. Keep your hand off my Poohole Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:07 PM (#1661958)

How did infield hit score 2 runs?

60. Bowling Baseball Fan Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:10 PM (#1661965)

The 1st baseman shtoinked it into shallow right. 2nd baseman got to it in time to get a throw to home just as Pujols got there.

61. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:10 PM (#1661967)

Grounder that Sweeney got a piece of that died in short right field.

62. Answer Guy Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:10 PM (#1661968)

Hmm..maybe they had the infield in. All I have is what Sportsline tells me.

63. In what respect, Craig K? Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:11 PM (#1661969)

<b>PUJOLS IS
YOUR SAVIOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

64. In what respect, Craig K? Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:12 PM (#1661972)

er....

PUJOLS IS YOUR SAVIOR!!!!!!!!

65. Tanto Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:13 PM (#1661975)

How did infield hit score 2 runs?

The Cardinals are lucky bastards, that's how.

66. The Man in Blak Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:13 PM (#1661976)

And another double play. Carpenter takes a couple of extra steps towards the other end of Niagara.

67. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:20 PM (#1661992)

Yup, great pitching always masks your deficiencies, which is why the 2003 Dodgers made the playoffs, right?

68. Tanto Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:23 PM (#1661999)

I like bring up that Mets team in front of Joe Morgan. It amuses me.

69. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:26 PM (#1662008)

Since when is Frank Robinson managing the Padres? You don't give away outs down by four runs in the fifth.

70. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:31 PM (#1662021)

Is there nothing can be done about the cavalcade of toes at the top of my screen?

71. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:36 PM (#1662036)

Whoops. Peavy laid an egg.

72. Tanto Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:36 PM (#1662037)

Oh, man, that is ugly.

73. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:36 PM (#1662038)

Get out the rye bread and the mustard, Grandma, it's Grand Salami time!

74. The Man in Blak Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:37 PM (#1662039)

REG-GIE! REG-GIE!

75. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:37 PM (#1662040)

I can't believe I woke up to watch this crap.

76. Eli Hungerford: Cityboy Crypto-Elitist for hire Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:37 PM (#1662041)

Sweet.

77. Keep your hand off my Poohole Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:37 PM (#1662042)

Wow, not sure I would let Reggie swing with 3-0 count and bases loaded, but I think the result turned out OK.

Not even Ray F. King can give away 8-0 lead .... can he????!

78. Bob T Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:38 PM (#1662044)

So, where's your Messiah, now, huh?

79. Eric Opperman Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:38 PM (#1662045)

REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE!

80. Tanto Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:40 PM (#1662052)

Reggie Sanders was a .188 postseason hitter before that home run.

I reiterate: The Cardinals are lucky b*stards.

81. 1k5v3L Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:42 PM (#1662057)

Geez, did the Padres acquire Russ Ortiz?

mlb should invoke the mercy rule and end this series.

82. Rear Admiral Piazza Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:42 PM (#1662059)

I reiterate: The Cardinals are lucky b*stards.

Yes, but the Padres suck

83. In what respect, Craig K? Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:46 PM (#1662073)

<b>~~PUJOLS~~ REGGIE IS YOUR SAVIOR!!!!!!!!

84. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:46 PM (#1662076)

Okay. I feel better about today.

But, I'm taking a little extra joy in this game right now because in his chat today, Rob Neyer said that the Cardinals are overrated because they won 100 games. He also said if they can't scratch out a few runs against Peavy, they'd be in trouble.

I think they've done a pretty good job of scratching out a few runs against Peavy.

Hehe.

AO

85. rembini06 Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:46 PM (#1662077)

All or nothing Sanders up.

Nice call.

86. cardsfanboy Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:48 PM (#1662086)

by lucky you mean good and smarter than the rest of the garbage that is in the nl right?

87. In what respect, Craig K? Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:49 PM (#1662091)

Peavy's final line was 4.1 IP, 8 H, 8 R, 8 ER, 3 BB, 3 K, 2 HR, and a 16.62 ERA.

Ouch.

88. The Clarence Thomas of BTF (scott) Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:49 PM (#1662094)

the cards are my pick to win the WS.

89. Greg Franklin Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:51 PM (#1662102)

I think they've done a pretty good job of scratching out a few runs against Peavy.

And how!

90. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:51 PM (#1662103)

Okay. I think TLR needs to pull Chris Carpenter right now to help keep him as rested as possible.

AO

91. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:53 PM (#1662109)

You bet. So, what'll he do? He'll ride his hoss all the way to an 8-6 win.

92. The Man in Blak Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:53 PM (#1662113)

And, of course, Carpenter's up to bat. -sigh-

We have eleven pitchers on the postseason roster. USE THEM.

93. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:54 PM (#1662115)

Sigh.

Carpenter is hitting for himself...

AO

94. cardsfanboy Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:54 PM (#1662117)

agreed AO...Carpenter shouldn't pitch the 7th at all.. but it looks like TLR is going to give him a shot at the 7th...90 pitches with a stumble in september and an 8-0 lead, (and 240+ innings pitched) let him rest.

95. mbd1mbd1 Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:54 PM (#1662118)

I don't know if I'd pull Carp just yet - the bullpen needs to stay rested too.

96. The Man in Blak Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:56 PM (#1662124)

I don't know if Brad Thompson or Cal Eldred needs to stay rested, though - are we really going to be counting on either one of those guys for high leverage innings?

97. cardsfanboy Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:57 PM (#1662128)

bring in Marquis or Suppan, whoever is scheduled to not pitch in this series.

98. Tanto Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:57 PM (#1662129)

by lucky you mean good and smarter than the rest of the garbage that is in the nl right?

At the risk of getting into a flame war with an obvious fanboy, you must be joking. Your fourth inning could have just as easily not have happened -- a couple of bloops, a wild pitch, and a grounder that the other team's first baseman couldn't handle. Walt Jocketty and TLR weren't mapping out that postseason inning in December. And you've gotten six RBIs out of a guy who had five postseason RBIs for his entire career previously.

I'm not saying the Cards aren't good, but to say they haven't been lucky in this game is to deny reality.

99. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:58 PM (#1662132)

the bullpen needs to stay rested too.

These guys don't play tomorrow, right?

100. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:58 PM (#1662134)

TLR changed pitchers!

YIPPEE!

AO

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