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Thursday, October 06, 2005

NL West Champion San Diego Padres at NL Central Champion St. Louis Cardinals - 4:00 PM EDT

St. Louis leads 1-0

SD: Astacio (0-0, 0.00)
STL: Mulder (0-0, 0.00)

Despite a valiant comeback, San Diego predictably fell to St. Louis on Tuesday 8-5, but perhaps the day off will give the Pads a chance to regroup.

The day off seems like it would break the winning team’s momentum and give the losing team to regroup, but history tells a different story.

MLB has set the sechedules like this nine times - and in five of those series the team that won Game One, also won Game Two, so the day off really has no practical impact.

Sean McNally Posted: October 06, 2005 at 09:39 AM | 134 comment(s)
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   1. Ivan Grushenko of HK in Tokyo Posted: October 06, 2005 at 12:27 PM (#1666819)
I wish Mulder a better performance than Hudson's yesterday.
   2. rembini06 Posted: October 06, 2005 at 01:49 PM (#1666996)
MLB has set the sechedules like this nine times - and in five of those series the team that won Game One, also won Game Two, so the day off really has no practical impact.

Is it just nine times? The Cardinals won Games 1 and 2 with the day off in-between in 1996, 2000, 2002 and 2004.
   3. Sean McNally Posted: October 06, 2005 at 02:05 PM (#1667038)
Yes, the first LDS's went with two starting on day one, then the other two starting on day two - leaving four games on day two, but just two games on days one and three.

Confused yet?
   4. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 06, 2005 at 02:58 PM (#1667166)
I wish Mulder a better performance than Hudson's yesterday.

I don't.
   5. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: October 06, 2005 at 03:34 PM (#1667260)
Pedro Astacio? Seriously?
   6. Richard Gadsden Posted: October 06, 2005 at 03:40 PM (#1667277)
Yup, Biff, a playoff team that had a chance to set its rotation has Pedro Astacio starting in Game Two.

And people wonder why they went 82-80 in a terrible division.
   7. Bob T Posted: October 06, 2005 at 03:54 PM (#1667316)
I hear that Game 3 is going to start at 8 PM.

PACIFIC TIME
   8. Urban Faber Posted: October 06, 2005 at 03:57 PM (#1667324)
That's correct ... 11:09 eastern time for that game.
   9. Ivan Grushenko of HK in Tokyo Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:00 PM (#1667332)
Hernandez batting 3rd? Giles in CF? Johnson in RF (who is he by the way)?
   10. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:04 PM (#1667341)
Hernandez batting 3rd? Giles in CF? Johnson in RF (who is he by the way)?

Odd. I didn't think that Johnson guy was on their playoff roster.
   11. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:14 PM (#1667362)
Death by firing squad > Sam Ryan > Duke Castiglione
   12. Bob T Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:14 PM (#1667363)
I forget to add my demonic cackle after my posting of the time for Game 3.

Being a West Coast resident, I don't mind the 8 pm start.
   13. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:16 PM (#1667368)
Astacio pulls a Lima today.
   14. Eli Hungerford: Cityboy Crypto-Elitist for hire Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:16 PM (#1667369)
That's correct ... 11:09 eastern time for that game.

Actually, that works perfectly for me. I'm going to visit my folks for the weekend, and we're having a nice dinner on Saturday, the kind that you don't want to pollute with television. With that start time, it's cocktails, then dinner, then a healthy pour of Scotch and settling in to watch the first pitch.
   15. Urban Faber Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:19 PM (#1667381)
It's a Saturday night, so I don't think it's that big of a deal. It's 10 o'clock here in the middle west, not a lot different than if they played the Padres there during the regular season.

I didn't think that Johnson guy was on their playoff roster.

The Padres' playoff roster can be figured out almost by looking at the Game 1 box score. Just about everyone except Hoffman and the other SPs made it into Tuesday's game.
   16. cardsfanboy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:20 PM (#1667383)
Astacio has pitched very well as a Padre, not sure what the problem with starting him in the second game.

10 starts for the padres, 3.17 era,
   17. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:23 PM (#1667392)
Rickey is the best player LaRussa ever managed, no matter what the hell LaRussa says.
   18. Chris Dial Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:23 PM (#1667394)
Too bad the Cards had Eckstein this year. They could have won 120 games without him.
   19. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:23 PM (#1667398)
Astacio has pitched very well as a Padre, not sure what the problem with starting him in the second game.

10 starts for the padres, 3.17 era,


And you think that's his actual skill level?
   20. Ivan Grushenko of HK in Tokyo Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:25 PM (#1667401)
Rickey is the best player LaRussa ever managed, no matter what the hell LaRussa says.

What did LaRussa say? Pujols?
   21. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:26 PM (#1667406)
Yeah.
   22. Ivan Grushenko of HK in Tokyo Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:30 PM (#1667418)
Well, I can see that, Rickey was only really great for LaRussa in 1990, Pujols has been great every year he's been in the league. Of course Rickey was great lots of times without TLR.
   23. shoewizard Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:32 PM (#1667422)
And you think that's his actual skill level?

Context. If you are evaluating for a contract during the offseason, you don't look at his recent record in 10 games of course.

If you are picking from available, rested, and healthy starters, you look at the last 10 games plenty and ride the hot streaks.

He could win todays game. He has as good a chance as any other Padres starter. That does not make it a good chance. But no worse than any other options they have right now.
   24. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:33 PM (#1667424)
Bah, Mulder's been hurt for two years. Daric Barton has how many home runs in the Arizona Fall League?
   25. shoewizard Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:33 PM (#1667427)
Mulder is about to get lit up here.
   26. cardsfanboy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:33 PM (#1667428)
And you think that's his actual skill level?

nope, but it's not like they are benching Oswalt or Pettite in favor of Astacio, their next best starter was Eaton, who posted a 4.27 era, or Lawrence who posted a 4.83 era this season, both are worse than Astacios career average(and both eaton and lawrence pitched like garbage the last month, so it's not like it's a bad decision)
   27. Eli Hungerford: Cityboy Crypto-Elitist for hire Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:34 PM (#1667433)
Thank goodness Vaux is here. Bring on the reverse jinx, please.
   28. PhillyBooster Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:35 PM (#1667434)
That's got to be one of the least distances -- total -- travelled by a batted ball in order to load the bases.
   29. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:35 PM (#1667435)
This is disgusting. 3 run double or grand slam?
   30. shoewizard Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:36 PM (#1667440)
Mulder is about to get lit up here.

I'm so good I scare myself sometimes.
   31. The Mexicoan George Jefferson(Sheriff Blalock) Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:38 PM (#1667445)
Whew! I'd love to be watching.
   32. Bunny Vincennes Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:40 PM (#1667448)
Bill Hohn is a terrible umpire but that was definitely a strike.
   33. PhillyBooster Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:41 PM (#1667455)

I'm so good I scare myself sometimes.


Any wish that involves the 8th and 9th place hitters on a poor National League team making outs will usually be granted.
   34. Bunny Vincennes Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:45 PM (#1667469)
I really dislike Eric Young.
   35. shoewizard Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:46 PM (#1667470)
Dang it, this should be the D backs getting their arses kicked by the Cardinals, not the freakin Padres.
   36. Bob T Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:47 PM (#1667474)
The Padres are not a poor team. They may be an average team. Or a fair team. But they are not a poor team.
   37. Bull Pain Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:51 PM (#1667484)
Giles home/road splits are amazing.
   38. cardsfanboy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:51 PM (#1667487)
uggh....I hate that. Pujols is being touted as being a gold glove quality fielder, most people I know in St Louis will still give it to Derrek Lee first.(although Lee didn't play well defensively against us, most people seem to realize that he was probably better over the course of the season)

nobody I have talked to thinks he is/deserves the gold glove this year, just that he is very good.
   39. shoewizard Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:51 PM (#1667488)
Did anyone else just lose their ESPN signal?

Both ESPN and ESPN2 just went black for me...all my other stations are working
   40. shoewizard Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:53 PM (#1667494)
never mind....just came back
   41. cardsfanboy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:55 PM (#1667498)
channel 11 is working fine for me, espn and espn2 is both working so it must be your local cable/satellite company.


damn Channel 11 must have gotten in trouble, yesterday they put their logo right over the espn logo, today it doesn't look like that is the case. (of course I could be remembering it wrong)
   42. The Mexicoan George Jefferson(Sheriff Blalock) Posted: October 06, 2005 at 04:56 PM (#1667501)
cardsfanboy,
What do you mean? You've baffled me.

I think it's okay to call Pujold Gold Glove Caliber, as he plays the position well enough to win. There's just a guy who plays it better at this time.
   43. Keep your hand off my Poohole Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:00 PM (#1667511)
11 PM start time for Game 3?!?

Why do the Cardinals always seem to get short-dicked by television coverage. We must provide a better audience than the Angels or the Astros I would think. Yet every year we get stuck in the crappy non-prime time spots.

I suppose I should be thankful that:
1) we are in the playoffs every year
2) we are at least on ESPN2 this year instead of Family Channel or whatever it was last year
3) the Padres suck eggs
   44. cardsfanboy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:00 PM (#1667512)
Sheriff...

the announcer was talking about people 'touting' Albert for the gold glove, I don't think I've heard anyone saying that Albert deserves the gold glove over lee, I've heard people say he is gold glove caliber defender, and I have no problem with that, but to say that people are 'touting' him just seems to be wrong to me.

I know Cardinal announcers, and writers think someday in the future that Albert will win a few gold gloves, just don't think that future is this year.
   45. Chris Dial Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:00 PM (#1667514)
Pujols is very very good defensively. He's definitely GG caliber.
   46. Bunny Vincennes Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:01 PM (#1667518)
Wow, I don't know about that Bill Hohn.
   47. Keep your hand off my Poohole Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:02 PM (#1667523)
Someone please describe the Eckstein play -- was there a play at the plate?
   48. Urban Faber Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:03 PM (#1667527)
The AL games are during the day on Saturday because they'll be traveling back to the other city on Sunday. And I think the Padres have the option of having a "normal" local start game if they want one, just as the Angels did.
   49. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:04 PM (#1667529)
Speaking of umps, did I really hear that Angel Hernandez is working the postseason?
   50. shoewizard Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:04 PM (#1667530)
Here is a moment, eh... Albert up, bases loaded.
   51. cardsfanboy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:04 PM (#1667534)
very close play at the plate, to my nekkid eye it looked like Nunez was safe.

2nd, and 3rd one out, Eckstein up, hits a hard hit ball that the first baseman dives and fields, he gets up and throws the ball to the plate, catcher sweep tags Nunez sliding in, Umpire called the runner safe. on replays, in my opinion it is too close to say whether the ump was right or wrong.
   52. Bunny Vincennes Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:06 PM (#1667538)
Agreed, Cardsfan, way too close. Astacio is sucking big time right now.
   53. cardsfanboy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:06 PM (#1667541)
damn....meant to say to my nekkid eye it looked like Nunez was out..not safe.
   54. cardsfanboy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:12 PM (#1667558)
2 runs with no hits in an inning...that is called getting the job done. it's funny though I know some cardinal fans that are going to complain if that is all the runs we get in this situation
   55. Eric Opperman Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:13 PM (#1667560)
Dangit, you've gotta score more than two there.
   56. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:13 PM (#1667562)
Strike one to Sanders is one of the worst strike calls I've ever seen.
   57. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:13 PM (#1667563)
That's going to really hurt later.
   58. Eric Opperman Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:14 PM (#1667564)
Haha...good call, CFB.

Still, though, bases loaded one out should turn into more than one run (regardless what happened before they got loaded).
   59. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:16 PM (#1667569)
it's funny though I know some cardinal fans that are going to complain if that is all the runs we get in this situation

I know I'm certainly not in that camp. Yeah, I would have liked for them to have tacked on another 1 or 2. But the 2 that did cross the plate are better than none.

AO
   60. Eric Opperman Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:16 PM (#1667570)
OK, how can they call a fielder's choice on Eckstein's grounder?

He wouldn't have been out at first, considering the fact that nobody covered.
   61. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:16 PM (#1667572)
Here we go!
   62. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:19 PM (#1667577)
I like it when the Padres get a runner on first. They hit into double plays.

AO
   63. Keep your hand off my Poohole Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:21 PM (#1667581)
5 pitch inning certainly helps Mulder's cause. TYVM to the Padres.

By the way, with a 3 game sweep, the Padres would go back to being under .500 for the season, worse if they did not get to beat up the detritus that is the Rockies, D-backs, Giants, and Dodgers so often.
   64. Urban Faber Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:21 PM (#1667582)
We must provide a better audience than the Angels or the Astros I would think. Yet every year we get stuck in the crappy non-prime time spots.

If Pujols ever reaches the level of his play in national popularity, the Cards will be on in prime time more often, I'd guess.

It would be interesting to see what would happen without the Yankees or Red Sox involved.
   65. Bunny Vincennes Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:23 PM (#1667584)
########!
   66. Eric Opperman Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:23 PM (#1667585)
Woohoo, the guy from one of my HS arch-rivals plays a flyout into a double...
   67. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:25 PM (#1667589)
For goodness sake, Grudzielanek, shave! You look like a hobo.
   68. Keep your hand off my Poohole Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:26 PM (#1667591)
Another play at the plate? Please decribe for those of us stuck with no TV at work.
   69. Bunny Vincennes Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:26 PM (#1667593)
Hohn just squeezed him. ####### it.
   70. Eric Opperman Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:27 PM (#1667594)
Grounder to first, throw was high and to the 1B side of the plate, runner was easily safe.
   71. Eric Opperman Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:28 PM (#1667597)
Whee, the clutch squeeze play to make it 4-0...
   72. cardsfanboy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:29 PM (#1667600)
Posted by Keep your hand off my Poohole on October 06, 2005 at 03:26 PM (#1667591)
Another play at the plate? Please decribe for those of us stuck with no TV at work.


see post 51, with the exception it wasn't a diving play by the first baseman, and it wasn't that close, the throw beat the runner home but the catcher doesn't block the plate and makes a high tag. He caught it about his head level, and then tried to tag the runner, doesn't block the plate, Grudz makes a good slide and he was safe.


squeeze play for another run.
   73. Eric Opperman Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:38 PM (#1667613)
I think the DP in SDP stands for Double Play...
   74. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:38 PM (#1667614)
The Cardinals will definitely need more than four runs to win this game.
   75. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:38 PM (#1667615)
See post #62.

AO
   76. cardsfanboy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:38 PM (#1667617)
See post number 62.....
   77. cardsfanboy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:40 PM (#1667619)
damn ao, you beat me too it..
   78. Urban Faber Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:40 PM (#1667620)
The Cardinals will definitely need more than four runs to win this game.

Doesn't look like it, unless Isringhausen comes in.
   79. cardsfanboy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:42 PM (#1667626)
damn are all the calls going our way? or are all the calls right and San Diego just keeps making bad plays?
   80. rembini06 Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:42 PM (#1667628)
Clay Hensley isn't one of Jared's friends, is he?
   81. Cabbage Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:50 PM (#1667646)
Gamecast tells me that Mulder induced 12 groundball outs. Have these been weak grouders, or is the defense helping him by snagging well hit balls?
   82. Chris Dial Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:52 PM (#1667651)
Dollars to donuts they are routine (with 2 good plays).
   83. cardsfanboy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:52 PM (#1667652)
see post 62.....

:)
   84. Eric Opperman Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:52 PM (#1667653)
See post 62...again...
   85. cardsfanboy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:55 PM (#1667657)
most of the groundouts have been routine,
   86. DTS Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:57 PM (#1667660)
my gameday has frozen on an 0-1 count to Giles in the 6th. has anything happened?
   87. cardsfanboy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 05:57 PM (#1667661)
yep, the padres ended the inning on a double play, cardinals up to bat now with Nunez with a full count.
   88. DTS Posted: October 06, 2005 at 06:00 PM (#1667666)
The double play -- if this series gets a nickname, perhaps it should be the double play series.

sorry, that's dumb. I've been busy all day and am about to collapse. Go Cards!
   89. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 06, 2005 at 06:03 PM (#1667673)
Making Mulder run the bases ought to make him even less effective in the seventh than he would have been otherwise.
   90. Eric Opperman Posted: October 06, 2005 at 06:07 PM (#1667678)
What a stupid question. Every player's dad thinks his team has a chance to win it all.
   91. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 06, 2005 at 06:09 PM (#1667681)
Pitchers disproportionately collapse the inning after running the bases.
   92. cardsfanboy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 06:09 PM (#1667682)
aren't most of the interview questions usually stupid?
   93. Cabbage Posted: October 06, 2005 at 06:10 PM (#1667683)
my. vaux is certainly appearing prophetic
   94. cardsfanboy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 06:10 PM (#1667684)
Keep it coming Vaux, your reverse jinx is running out of juice...oh wait it worked right there.

see post 62.
   95. Eric Opperman Posted: October 06, 2005 at 06:10 PM (#1667686)
Somebody needs to write a poem called Eckstein to Grudzielanek to Pujols...
   96. Keep your hand off my Poohole Posted: October 06, 2005 at 06:14 PM (#1667689)
This game seems eerily similar to game 1, other than the fact that Cardinals have not gotten the 1 big hit with runners on to break things open.

As in game 1, the Padres are getting runners on every inning, but double plays are killing the Pads.

Lord help us all if Burger King comes in -- he has been absolutely horrible, allowing .400 batting average against with runners on base, which doesn't even account for his frequent walks and hit batsmen.
   97. Bunny Vincennes Posted: October 06, 2005 at 06:15 PM (#1667692)
Yeah, but Burger King is awesome to watch. Jill is a huge King fan.
   98. cardsfanboy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 06:16 PM (#1667696)
was that the first fly ball for the Padres today????
   99. DTS Posted: October 06, 2005 at 06:19 PM (#1667700)
boy, gameday sucks today. I can't figure out what's going on now.
   100. cardsfanboy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 06:19 PM (#1667702)
why isn't Klesko starting?
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