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Tuesday, October 17, 2006

NLCS Game 5: Mets (2-2) at Cards (2-2) - 8:19 pm EDT on FOX

We’ll try this again…

NYM: T. Glavine (15-7, 3.82)
STL: J. Weaver (5-4, 5.18)

NTNgod Posted: October 17, 2006 at 03:06 AM | 633 comment(s)
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1. Tom D Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:47 AM (#2214738)

First! Lets Go Mets!

2. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 17, 2006 at 10:38 AM (#2214896)

Is it too early for the Rutgers hijack?

3. Joshemy Posted: October 17, 2006 at 01:37 PM (#2215099)

Let's Go Tommy!

4. Russlan wants Pedro to be a Met again Posted: October 17, 2006 at 01:44 PM (#2215107)

Cardinals, you think you are big time? You are going to (forgetin') lose big time! COME GET THE PAIN!

5. Bob Koo Posted: October 17, 2006 at 01:52 PM (#2215125)

Let's Go Mets! I really want a win tonight so I'll be at the clincher tomorrow!

6. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: October 17, 2006 at 01:55 PM (#2215136)

What Bob said.

7. Tom D Posted: October 17, 2006 at 01:57 PM (#2215144)

Alas, Tom D. has parent-teacher conferences. In the unlikely event that the conferences are rained out and the game is played, I will find a way to get there.

8. Rob Base Posted: October 17, 2006 at 02:47 PM (#2215222)

Cardinals, you think you are big time? You are going to (forgetin') lose big time! COME GET THE PAIN!

Ok, close enough.

9. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: October 17, 2006 at 03:04 PM (#2215254)

Let's Go Mets! I really want a win tonight so I'll be at the clincher tomorrow!

It'll be terrible watching Aaron Miles' easy 10th-inning grounder go through Carlos Delgado's legs and roll into right.

10. Matt Waters Posted: October 17, 2006 at 03:50 PM (#2215306)

I predict tonight Ronnie Belliard will star as Benny Blanco from the Bronx.

11. Sam M. Posted: October 17, 2006 at 06:31 PM (#2215447)

It'll be terrible watching Aaron Miles' easy 10th-inning grounder go through Carlos Delgado's legs and roll into right.

But joyous watching him try to stretch it into a double, as Endy Chavez throws him out from RF for the pennant-winning OF kill!!!!

12. Banta Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:00 PM (#2215463)

Alrighty! HIVE MIND ASSEMBLE! LET'S GO METS!

13. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:01 PM (#2215464)

Are there any Cardinals fans in this chatter?

14. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:03 PM (#2215465)

I'm a Cardinals fan, but I don't care whether they win or not.

I think that's the way a lot of Cardinal fans feel this year--sort of embarassed.

15. You Forgot Walewander Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:04 PM (#2215466)

I'm kind of rooting for them, even though I strongly dislike them. Because I'm a Tigers fan.

Kevin Kennedy looks like someone attacked the lower half of his face with a cheese grater.

16. Sam M. Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:04 PM (#2215467)

So do you know what the two Mets' losses in this series have in common? Do you?

That's right: I missed both games in their entirety, attending my reunion. I take all the blame.

17. Tom D Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:07 PM (#2215472)

That's right: I missed both games in their entirety, attending my reunion. I take all the blame.

I was thinking that. But, I'm too classy a guy to mention it.

18. You Forgot Walewander Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:07 PM (#2215473)

Vaux, you're a Tigers fan, an As fan, and a Cardinals fan?

19. Sam M. Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:09 PM (#2215474)

Because I'm a Tigers fan.

Now come on. When all is said and done, if the Tigers win, wouldn't you really rather look back on a title that included wins over both New York franchises along the way? If nothing else, there must be 10x as many Mets' fans as Cardinals' fans around here to enjoy winning against, right? Then there's the whole media favoring New York thing to revel in.

20. Tommy Etelamaki Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:09 PM (#2215475)

Jeannie Zalasko: "Advantage Mets?"

Kevin Kennedy: "Well, if you believe in stats, and normally I don't believe in them unless they're pretty dramatic."

21. B.G. Gamesh Reeks of Anti-Yankee Bias (w/Zombies) Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:11 PM (#2215478)

I know that Zelasko isn't really technically especially attractive, but I find her very compelling, she holds me eyes. Is it just me?

22. AJM Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:14 PM (#2215482)

Is it just me?

Yes.

23. Sam M. Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:14 PM (#2215483)

Vaux, you're a Tigers fan, an As fan, and a Cardinals fan?

He's either a man of the world, or a whore. Take your pick.

24. You Forgot Walewander Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:16 PM (#2215484)

Sam, some pros and cons:

1) yes, beating both NY teams would ve cool

2) I like the Mets fans around here, so have no desire to rub it in if we did win

3) (and most important) I want a WS where it's about THE TIGERS Vs -----, not us as some plucky underdog hoping to fluke one against the Mets instead of being recognized as the very good team we are. The fallout from the Yankees series almost made my head explode. Fair or not, I feel that if they were to beat the Cards, people would say it was because the Tigers were good. Not so if they were to beat the Mets

4) This might be their only shot for a while, and I REALLY want them to win

5) Never underestimate how much I hate LaRussa

6)and love Delgado. My affection for this Mets team would make it not as fun

25. B.G. Gamesh Reeks of Anti-Yankee Bias (w/Zombies) Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:17 PM (#2215486)

Yes.

Figured. Ahh, I'd do her anyway.

26. Raskolnikov Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:18 PM (#2215487)

Somebody grab David Peng's baby and bring her to the chatter, and we're all set.

27. Sam M. Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:20 PM (#2215489)

I want a WS where it's about THE TIGERS Vs -----, not us as some plucky underdog hoping to fluke one against the Mets instead of being recognized as the very good team we are.

Well, since John Donovan on CNN.SI has already written a column (today) saying either NL team has virtually no chance against the Tigers, and I suspect that is going to be the media consensus even if the Mets win, I don't think you have to worry over much about that. The Tigers beating the Yankees, and then crushing the A's, plus their newly-crowned status as the champs of the universally-understood Better League, assures them of being "recognized as the very good team" they are.

28. Joshemy Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:21 PM (#2215490)

Great start Reyes.

29. AJM Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:21 PM (#2215491)

Good start. Let's get some early runs.

30. Sam M. Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:21 PM (#2215492)

Jose!!!! (Jose, Jo-SAY, Jo-SAY!!!!)

31. Banta Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:21 PM (#2215493)

Good start. Reyes on base, early and then hopefully often.

32. Sam M. Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:22 PM (#2215495)

Damn, LoDuca. Take some pitches, will ya????

33. bunyon Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:23 PM (#2215496)

I'll be missing the game tonight with work. Good luck all.

34. Banta Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:23 PM (#2215497)

Damn, I can't believe Reyes got out there. Whenever there's a dive, I always expect Reyes to be safe, regardless of the base he's running to.

35. B.G. Gamesh Reeks of Anti-Yankee Bias (w/Zombies) Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:23 PM (#2215498)

I hate booing guys on the other team just because they're good.

36. Alan S Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:25 PM (#2215499)

Beltran looks very good right now.

37. Joshemy Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:26 PM (#2215500)

Carlos #1!

Let's keep the hot streak going Carlos #2!

38. Alan S Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:28 PM (#2215501)

Well, Weaver is not fooling anyone with anything through 4 at bats.

39. Banta Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:28 PM (#2215502)

Well, I guess Delgado can't do it everytime.

Let's go, David!

40. AJM Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:28 PM (#2215503)

Beh, come on David.

41. Joshemy Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:29 PM (#2215504)

OK David, get the 2 out hit to get the early lead.

42. Alan S Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:29 PM (#2215505)

Delgado looks like he decides before the pitch which direction he's going to go with the pitch, and when he's wrong he does not adjust. When he is right though, the ball is crushed.

43. You Forgot Walewander Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:29 PM (#2215506)

Ahh, this is the Jeff Weaver I remember.

44. AJM Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:30 PM (#2215508)

####.

45. Alan S Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:31 PM (#2215509)

ARGH David. Not very good. But unless Weaver gets better, there shall be runs aplenty tonight.

46. Joshemy Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:31 PM (#2215510)

Bah!

47. Sam M. Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:31 PM (#2215511)

Bad approach. Didn't zone the 2-1 pitch, and bailed out Weaver. Ugh.

48. Banta Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:31 PM (#2215512)

Remember when David used to try and go to rightfield with two strikes?

49. Bob Koo Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:32 PM (#2215514)

David, you need to stop bailing out pitchers like that.

50. Sam M. Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:33 PM (#2215515)

LoDuca's AB hurt us there. If he just makes an out, Reyes goes first-to-third on Beltran's hit. Changes the inning entirely. Oh well. Come on, Tommy. Be the man, baby.

51. You Forgot Walewander Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:33 PM (#2215516)

That Donovan column is awful. It would take any kind of miracle for the Mets to beat the Tigers, much less one of 2004 Red Sox proportions. There was also this:

when the World Series begins Saturday.

WTF? I thought it started on Friday nite.

52. Sam M. Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:35 PM (#2215518)

That was a bad start. Showed they have the right idea, and they got a good result. Yuk.

53. You Forgot Walewander Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:35 PM (#2215519)

And by 'would', I of course meant wouldn't take any kind of miracle...

54. Banta Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:36 PM (#2215520)

Glavine's up in the zone so far. Not good.

Settle down, Tommy!

55. Alan S Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:36 PM (#2215521)

Preston has been pretty helpful this series.

56. Sam M. Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:36 PM (#2215522)

Thank you, Preston. Bailed Tommy out on what would have been ball three. Excellent.

57. You Forgot Walewander Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:36 PM (#2215523)

Well that was a godawfyl swing. Seriously, Preston Wilson in the 2 hole? It surprises me every time I see it.

58. HOPE: Madison Obamagarner (Flynn) Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:36 PM (#2215525)

It begins on Saturday.

That Donovan column is awful. It would take any kind of miracle for the Mets to beat the Tigers, much less one of 2004 Red Sox proportions.

Kinda like the miracle that took the Tigers over the Yankees?

59. Banta Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:37 PM (#2215526)

Great at bat, Pujols!

60. Sam M. Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:37 PM (#2215527)

Impressed yet, Prince Albert?

61. AJM Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:37 PM (#2215528)

Phew, he gets Pujols. I get nervous every time he comes up.

62. You Forgot Walewander Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:38 PM (#2215529)

Flynn, see 53. I mistyped.

63. Alan S Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:40 PM (#2215532)

####### GNOME!

64. HOPE: Madison Obamagarner (Flynn) Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:40 PM (#2215533)

Ah. apologies.

WS still starts on Saturday though. ;)

65. AJM Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:40 PM (#2215534)

Nice throw Blow Duca.

66. Sam M. Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:40 PM (#2215535)

What is McCarver talking about? That pitch was way inside.

And, out of the inning. Nice.

67. Banta Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:41 PM (#2215536)

Good enough, Glavine.

68. Joshemy Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:41 PM (#2215537)

Nice Tommy!

69. You Forgot Walewander Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:41 PM (#2215538)

Why would you swing at that pitch?

70. Free Rob Base Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:41 PM (#2215539)

someone on espn today said the mets would be the 6th best team in the AL. What does that make STL. Worse than the D-Rays?

71. AJM Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:41 PM (#2215540)

Nice job Tommy.

72. Bob Koo Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:43 PM (#2215543)

Wilson and Encarnacion, thanks for bailing us out there. Oh, and you too, Albert.

73. Free Rob Base Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:45 PM (#2215546)

Also, in the first, I would have loved to have seen Reyes not slide into second, and instead run through second and round for third. Maybe he wins the ensuing rundown.

74. Sam M. Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:46 PM (#2215547)

someone on espn today said the mets would be the 6th best team in the AL.

God, I am so tired of that smug AL arrogance. It is going to make it awfully tough to root for the Tigers if the Cardinals win this. I'll do it, but man I'm going to regret it for that one reason. That is such utter bullcrap. The AL is great, but the Mets are as good as any damn team in that league. Screw 'em.

75. Joshemy Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:46 PM (#2215548)

Shawn Green with a good 'ol "Mientkiewicz".

76. AJM Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:47 PM (#2215549)

Endy magic!

77. Joshemy Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:47 PM (#2215550)

Endy!

78. Banta Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:47 PM (#2215551)

Now that's more like it, Endy!

79. Dayton Moore is a Big Fat Idiot (AG#1F) Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:48 PM (#2215552)

I was pretty ambivalent at the beginning of the series, but I'm firmly in the Mets camp now. They're less mediocre than the Cards. Plus my cousin used to work for them.

80. You Forgot Walewander Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:48 PM (#2215553)

The AL is great, but the Mets are as good as any damn team in that league.

Agreed.

81. Dayton Moore is a Big Fat Idiot (AG#1F) Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:50 PM (#2215555)

The healthy Mets are as good as any AL team. Without Pedro and El Duque they seem mighty pedestrian to me.

82. not your average baseball fan Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:50 PM (#2215556)

Did Willie give the Mets permission to grow facial hair? They all have that unshaven look now, even Glavine who I never remember having facial hair. It's not a bad look.

83. Urban Faber Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:51 PM (#2215558)

The AL is great, but the Mets are as good as any damn team in that league.

The Royals swept the Tigers, so they're probably the best team in baseball at the moment.

84. Free Rob Base Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:53 PM (#2215560)

shawn green is a wreck defensively.

85. Sam M. Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:54 PM (#2215561)

Shawn Green . . . I am a Rock, I am an Island.

86. Alan S Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:56 PM (#2215564)

Not a very large strike zone.

87. Urban Faber Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:56 PM (#2215565)

It's not like the Cards are starting Bob Gibson in Game 7 either ... even though Suppan didn't allow a run and hit a homer in his last start.

Maybe the Fox folks will dig up some info on Curly Ogden in 1924. That strategy worked, at least, the Senators won the game.

88. Dayton Moore is a Big Fat Idiot (AG#1F) Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:56 PM (#2215566)

The Royals swept the Tigers, so they're probably the best team in baseball at the moment.

Also split six with the Cards.

Who are some crafty right-handers in the league right now?

89. Alan S Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:57 PM (#2215567)

Hoorah! Glavine is awesome.

90. AJM Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:57 PM (#2215568)

Strike 'em out, throw 'em out!

91. Free Rob Base Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:57 PM (#2215569)

sweeeeet

92. Banta Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:57 PM (#2215570)

Well, that was pretty damn sweet.

93. Sam M. Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:57 PM (#2215571)

Excellent!!!! Pretty good gamble by the Cardinals, actually, but Glavine/LoDuca make 'em pay!

94. You Forgot Walewander Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:58 PM (#2215572)

Way to manage, Tony.

95. not your average baseball fan Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:58 PM (#2215573)

what is it with Belliard and the tongue? He's like a lizard. Ooh-great strike-em out throw-em out!

96. Joshemy Posted: October 17, 2006 at 07:58 PM (#2215574)

Throw 'em out, strike 'em out!

Only 26 pitches through 2 for Tommy. I'm liking it.

97. Banta Posted: October 17, 2006 at 08:00 PM (#2215575)

Who are some crafty right-handers in the league right now?

Steve Trachsel.

98. Dayton Moore is a Big Fat Idiot (AG#1F) Posted: October 17, 2006 at 08:00 PM (#2215576)

What is this year's "YOU'RE RISKING A PATIENT'S LIFE/HER FATHER IS THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY"?

99. Joshemy Posted: October 17, 2006 at 08:01 PM (#2215577)

Steve Trachsel.

He said crafty, not crappy.

100. Sam M. Posted: October 17, 2006 at 08:01 PM (#2215578)

Way to manage, Tony.

I'd have done the same thing. Glavine doesn't strike out many hitters (only four in each of his first two starts), and LoDuca doesn't throw out many runners. It was a decent gamble in light of those two facts. He just crapped out.

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