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NLCS Game 5: NL Central Champ St. Louis at NL Wild Card Houston, 8:05pm ET on FOX

C. Carpenter vs. A. Pettitte

Astros lead series 3-1

Shaky umpiring and a lack of timely hitting has pushed the Cardinals to the brink of elimination. They’ll send their ace out in a rematch of their lone win so far.

SG in ATL Posted: October 17, 2005 at 10:29 AM | 578 comment(s)
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1. Richard Gadsden Posted: October 17, 2005 at 03:15 PM (#1689260)

Your starting pitchers: Chris Carpenter (1-0, 2.25) @ Andy Pettitte (0-1, 7.50).

A rematch of Game 1, but in a ballpark where left-handed flyball pitchers go to die.

Of course, Carpenter won the first one, and should be favoured in this - but it's been such a damn strange series that I'm certainly only going to predict that TLR will be complaining about the umpiring.

2. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 17, 2005 at 05:15 PM (#1689442)

Up to the Minute Career Playoff ERA Update: 4.15

3. Bob T Posted: October 17, 2005 at 05:46 PM (#1689483)

I want the Cardinals to win only so I don't go baseball-less until Saturday!

4. Spirit of 82 Posted: October 17, 2005 at 06:01 PM (#1689501)

Cardinals lineup tonight:

Eck 6
Edm 8
Pujols 3
Sanders 7
Walker 9
Grudz 4
Molina 2
Luna 5
Carpenter

5. Bob T Posted: October 17, 2005 at 06:11 PM (#1689520)

We could be going from a 3-Molina World Series to a zero-Molina World Series.

6. _Jed Posted: October 17, 2005 at 06:26 PM (#1689533)

We could be going from a 3-Molina World Series to a zero-Molina World Series.

And we won't be seeing the first all-expansion-team series in 2005.

7. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:03 PM (#1689639)

I want the Cardinals to win only so I don't go baseball-less until Saturday!

And I need them to win two so I can see Game 7 on my next day off.

8. RB in NYC (Now with Christmas Spirit!) Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:13 PM (#1689651)

I could go for a game on Thursday. But I'd like to see Houston win the whole thing so I suppose I'll root for them to clinch tonight. I recently got my Yankee World Series tapes transferred to DVD so that should hold me till the Saturday

9. VoodooR Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:13 PM (#1689652)

this is a shamefully unpopular chatter.

10. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:18 PM (#1689655)

this is a shamefully unpopular chatter.

Wait for the game to start, dude. I'm at work, so I'll be chattering here.

11. RB in NYC (Now with Christmas Spirit!) Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:22 PM (#1689663)

Is Kenny Lofton wearing an appallingly ugly suit again?

12. Urban Faber Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:24 PM (#1689667)

They start yet?

13. Don Guillote (The Cheat) Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:24 PM (#1689668)

I'd like the Cards to pull this game out tonight. I think their fans would love to give Busch a proper sendoff.

14. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:24 PM (#1689669)

Is Kenny Lofton wearing an appallingly ugly suit again?

The one yesterday wasn't good, but it wasn't Draft Day Ray Lewis bad. That was a grisly suit.

15. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:29 PM (#1689672)

I miss Andy, even if he isn't the postseason Clutch God. My mother misses him, too. She thought he was cute.

16. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:30 PM (#1689674)

That midget is really annoying.

17. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:30 PM (#1689675)

Was your mother a Spartacus fan?

18. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:31 PM (#1689678)

Looking at the dimensions of Enron Maid on Gameday, it is really quite striking how willfully odd a configuration it is.

19. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:32 PM (#1689679)

How often has Edmonds hit second this year?

20. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:32 PM (#1689680)

Hitting Edmonds second is a very good idea and I think he hit second all three games against the Yankees.

21. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:33 PM (#1689681)

Shaky umpiring

It's a shame teh Astros have had to put up with that.

22. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:33 PM (#1689682)

Wow- a HBP and a BB to a LHB, and Pujols swings at the first pitch.

Nicely done.

23. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:33 PM (#1689685)

And so does Sanders.

Who is coaching this team?

24. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:34 PM (#1689686)

This inning went from very promising to potentially very disappointing mighty quick.

25. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:34 PM (#1689687)

Hey, Walker takes a pitch!

26. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:35 PM (#1689688)

That's just terrible baseball.

27. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:35 PM (#1689689)

They didn't even drive up his pitch count. You would be hard pressed to have a worse sequence from those three hitters.

28. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:36 PM (#1689691)

I would say that is not a good sign for the Cardinals.

And for that I am thankful.

29. Sparkles Peterson Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:36 PM (#1689692)

Edmonds batted second about a quarter of the time this year.

30. The Hop-Clop Goes On (psa1) Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:36 PM (#1689693)

Who is coaching this team?

A law school graduate! Didn't you know?

31. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:37 PM (#1689695)

Does teh "every season but this one" Chris Carpenter show up?

This seems to me to be the kind of game that gets away from a team on teh brink in a hurry.

32. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:37 PM (#1689698)

"Wash your helmet, dum-dum."

33. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:38 PM (#1689699)

Grudz shaved.

34. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:39 PM (#1689700)

This seems to me to be the kind of game that gets away from a team on teh brink in a hurry.

That should have been the headline in the St. Louis papers: "The Cardinals, A Team On Teh Brink."

35. The Hop-Clop Goes On (psa1) Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:39 PM (#1689701)

Radio guys said a minute ago that Cuzzi warned Pujols in the FIRST inning last night.

36. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:39 PM (#1689704)

Wow - Burke went to UT and I didn't even know it.

Evidently his wife is in law school at U of L with Sam M.

37. The Hop-Clop Goes On (psa1) Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:40 PM (#1689705)

I'm glad that Burke is playing center instead of Taveras. Taveras really can't sacrifice like Burke can. Pshaw.

38. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:40 PM (#1689706)

warned Pujols or Edmonds?

39. Srul Itza Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:41 PM (#1689707)

Cardinals had a great shot to get off fast. You have to capitalize on situations like that.

40. The Hop-Clop Goes On (psa1) Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:41 PM (#1689708)

Warned Pujols. Apparently Albert didn't push his luck.

41. Srul Itza Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:42 PM (#1689710)

2 on, nobody out, and Andy still only throw 13 pitches in the first?

Have the Angels possessed the bodies of the Cards?

42. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:42 PM (#1689712)

I really do hate that bunt. That's the 2004 Jeter special.

43. Srul Itza Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:43 PM (#1689713)

Chris -- I root for the 'Stros because I like Biggio, Bags, Andy and Rocket.

And I have a long-standing grudge against the Cards dating from NY-St. Lou rivalries of old.

What is the source of your rooting interest, if any?

44. DTS Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:44 PM (#1689715)

This is a different sensation -- watching a game without the expectation of winning. It's really quite liberating.

45. Srul Itza Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:45 PM (#1689717)

This would be a good time for Mo to rediscover his power stroke.

46. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:45 PM (#1689718)

Did they seriously just play "Double Vision"? Way to stay current.

47. DTS Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:45 PM (#1689719)

And I have a long-standing grudge against the Cards dating from NY-St. Lou rivalries of old.

Are you talking about the late '80s? Good times.

48. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:46 PM (#1689720)

Srul,
your second sentence.

49. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:46 PM (#1689721)

Dial hates hates hates the Cards. I think from their rumbles with the Mets in the 80s.

50. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:46 PM (#1689722)

Hey, that's almost like another sacrifice. Ozzieball is spreading.

51. Human Papelbon Virus Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:47 PM (#1689723)

Did they seriously just play "Double Vision"? Way to stay current.

I think they're playing songs like that when the umps make poor calls. After Pettitte walked Edmonds they played "three blind mice"

52. DTS Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:47 PM (#1689724)

Brenneman saying "this guy can hit" about Lamb reminds me of how I carried his carcass around on my fantasy team for half a season. He didn't do too much hitting then.

53. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:48 PM (#1689725)

Dial hates hates hates the Cards

That's a gross understatement.

54. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:49 PM (#1689727)

I can't believe Lamb didn't beat that out - LHB slow chopper - all the way across the diamond. Sheesh - run, fatass.

55. The Hop-Clop Goes On (psa1) Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:49 PM (#1689728)

I think they're playing songs like that when the umps make poor calls. After Pettitte walked Edmonds they played "three blind mice"

Didn't some indy league PA guy get in trouble for stuff like that?

56. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:52 PM (#1689729)

Trivia answer: D'bags

57. Urban Faber Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:53 PM (#1689730)

"three blind mice"

So they like half the crew?

58. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:53 PM (#1689731)

They said the last three champions were WCs. They might as well have asked who won it in 2001.

59. Human Papelbon Virus Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:53 PM (#1689733)

So they like half the crew?

They played it twice.

60. Sparkles Peterson Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:53 PM (#1689734)

Dial, I know you're too much of an embittered troll to acknowledge this, but Carpenter didn't exactly suck last season. Had the wind not been blowing out every time he pitched in Wrigley, the difference between 2004 and 2005 would have been basically one disaster start.

61. DTS Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:53 PM (#1689735)

Dial hates hates hates the Cards

That's a gross understatement.

In the late '80s I really hated the Mets. I used to wish ill on them and their families. Thought Keith Hernandez was an evil traitor. Mocked Carter's perm. I mean I hated them.

Then they became irrelevant and I sort of forgot they existed. It's hard to hate something like that....

62. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:54 PM (#1689736)

I know you're too much of an embittered troll

That's not what a troll is, Sparkles.

63. The Hop-Clop Goes On (psa1) Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:54 PM (#1689737)

Remember the v-chip scene in South Park where Cartman goes up on stage with a doctor, who shows that whenever Cartman utters an obscenity, he gets shocked?

That was awesome.

No, seriously. Wouldn't it be great if we could insert something like that in announcers' brains, only to go off whenever words like "smallball," "execution," "manufacturing," etc. are spoken?

I'd watch a lot more baseball if that were the case.

64. Sparkles Peterson Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:55 PM (#1689738)

Hm, anyone else on the Cards would have had a shot at a triple on that. OTOH, Burke probably doesn't dive for anyone other than Molina.

65. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:56 PM (#1689739)

Sparkles, except for those games against teh Braves, Tom Glavine has been great for the Mets - unfortunately, those games count too in a pitcher's performance.

But it's fair to say Carpenter was pretty good last year.

66. The Hop-Clop Goes On (psa1) Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:57 PM (#1689741)

Mocked Carter's perm

I don't think you need to have a blood feud with the man's team to mock someone's perm.

67. Sparkles Peterson Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:57 PM (#1689742)

Trolls have reasons for what they are. In your case, it's rooting for a laughing stock.

68. The Mexicoan George Jefferson(Sheriff Blalock) Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:57 PM (#1689743)

This is a different sensation -- watching a game without the expectation of winning. It's really quite liberating.

You mean baseball game, I presume.

69. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:58 PM (#1689744)

That's not what a troll is, Sparkles.

He means you live under a bridge and harass billy goats.

70. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:58 PM (#1689745)

It was Fox that played "Double Vision." Which I guess is better than the crap they usually play over the lineups, so I probably shouldn't complain.

71. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 08:58 PM (#1689746)

Then they became irrelevant and I sort of forgot they existed. It's hard to hate something like that....

I'm sorry, when did the Cards last win the WS?

Didn't the Mets and Cards play in the 2000 playoffs?

72. Urban Faber Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:00 PM (#1689747)

I think they played Double Vision earlier in the playoffs too, but maybe it was a different Foreigner song.

73. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:00 PM (#1689748)

I'm sorry, when did the Cards last win the WS?

Didn't the Mets and Cards play in the 2000 playoffs?

The last time the Mets won a WS game was thirteen years more recent than the last time the Cardinals did.

74. Curtis Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:01 PM (#1689750)

When was the last time the Mets were anything other than the JV?

75. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:01 PM (#1689751)

And if the Mets had the luxury of playing in teh NL Comedy Central, tehy'd make teh playoffs.

76. DTS Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:01 PM (#1689752)

You mean baseball game, I presume.

Very good point.

I don't think you need to have a blood feud with the man's team to mock someone's perm.

Very good point.

But it's fair to say Carpenter was pretty good last year.

Very good point.

Did I miss anyone?

I'm watching Dora the Explorer, have the Cards game on the crappy TV in the kitchen where I have to hold the antennae to get reception, and am eating triscuits waiting for my wife to get home from work so I can sit down and watch the game. Life is pretty good.

77. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:02 PM (#1689755)

Curtis, the JV? Hardly. The AL is the Junior Circuit.

78. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:03 PM (#1689756)

79. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:03 PM (#1689757)

I'm watching Dora the Explorer

Wait until you have kids!

80. The Hop-Clop Goes On (psa1) Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:04 PM (#1689758)

The AL is the Junior Circuit.

Yes, but the NL is the Senior Circuit. And that's even without the Mets calling up Wil Cordero.

81. DTS Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:04 PM (#1689759)

I'm sorry, when did the Cards last win the WS?

Didn't the Mets and Cards play in the 2000 playoffs?

Yes, that was my point. Maybe you should let go of the hate. The Cardinals are not worthy of such emotion any more.

82. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:05 PM (#1689760)

How did Adam Everett hit 11 homers this year? I've been impressed by how weak a hitter he seems to be.

83. DTS Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:05 PM (#1689761)

Come on vamanos! Everyone let's go...

84. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:05 PM (#1689762)

Oh, I have plenty of room for hate. No trouble at all.

85. Srul Itza Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:06 PM (#1689763)

Second and Third, nobody out, and the Astros will not score.

Ye gods, this could be a long game.

86. Keep your hand off my Poohole Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:07 PM (#1689764)

Either of these teams can take the White Sox with ease, in my humble opinion.

87. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:07 PM (#1689765)

Best. Tag. Ever.

88. Keep your hand off my Poohole Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:07 PM (#1689766)

Y A D I E R ! ! ! !

89. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:08 PM (#1689767)

I can't believe he held that ball.

90. DTS Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:08 PM (#1689768)

That was cool.

91. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:08 PM (#1689769)

Either of these teams can take the White Sox with ease, in my humble opinion.

I was just thinking kind of the opposite. The Sox, hot as they are right now, are better than these guys.

92. DTS Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:09 PM (#1689770)

Oh, I have plenty of room for hate. No trouble at all.

Very good point.

93. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:09 PM (#1689771)

Now there, Jeremy Giambi would have been safe.

94. Sparkles Peterson Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:09 PM (#1689772)

Redo that play 10 times and I betcha Mike Matheny doesn't make the out even once.

95. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:09 PM (#1689773)

A Sox/Astros series could go 7 games with neither team scoring more than 20 runs total.

96. The Hop-Clop Goes On (psa1) Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:09 PM (#1689774)

Either of these teams can take the White Sox with ease, in my humble opinion.

Well, yeah, but either one will use their bullpen. Therefore, the White Sox will win the moral battle and ascend to heaven immediately, regardless of who wins the series.

97. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:10 PM (#1689775)

And Biggio comes through.

98. Srul Itza Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:10 PM (#1689776)

Thank you Mr. Biggio, for proving me wrong.

Veteran clutchness!

99. Chris Dial Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:10 PM (#1689777)

Molina took that one in the meat hand.

100. Keep your hand off my Poohole Posted: October 17, 2005 at 09:11 PM (#1689779)

Mike Matheny can't carry Yadier's jock strap at this point. But Yadier may have just broken his hand, so the point may be moot.

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