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Thursday, May 18, 2006

NY Mets 24-15 at St. Louis 25-15 - 1:10pm ET

NYM: J. Lima (0-2, 9.31) vs. STL: J. Marquis (4-4, 5.33)

Everyone loves Lima Time. Except Mets fans.

SG in ATL Posted: May 18, 2006 at 08:22 AM | 142 comment(s)
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1. Eric in Madison Posted: May 18, 2006 at 09:59 AM (#2025550)

More innings today: Jose Lima or Darren Oliver?

2. Harris Posted: May 18, 2006 at 10:37 AM (#2025581)

Cole Hamels.

3. Pagans in the Outfield (Matt) Posted: May 18, 2006 at 11:48 AM (#2025638)

Brian Bannister.

4. Шĥy Posted: May 18, 2006 at 12:38 PM (#2025678)

Pujols is sitting today. Barry Bonds must have gotten to someone in the Cardinals' management.

5. Шĥy Posted: May 18, 2006 at 12:41 PM (#2025681)

Why the #### is the Mustache hitting second today?

6. Bob Koo Posted: May 18, 2006 at 12:42 PM (#2025683)

Wow, maybe we have a chance now. But then again Jose Valentin is batting second and *playing* second, so maybe not. Guess Willie really wants Lima to get knocked around today.

7. Bob Koo Posted: May 18, 2006 at 12:44 PM (#2025686)

Why the #### is the Mustache hitting second today?

Because, by Willie's rules, when Lo Duca sits, the worst position player (AKA the second baseman) has to hit second. It's in the handbook, dontchaknow.

8. Pagans in the Outfield (Matt) Posted: May 18, 2006 at 12:51 PM (#2025697)

Jose Valentin is playing 2B and batting second.

Willie really does understand the Mets have no chance. He's just getting his guys some PT.

9. Pagans in the Outfield (Matt) Posted: May 18, 2006 at 12:56 PM (#2025703)

Well, Bannister went 0.1 of an inning before he was removed. He gave up a single and got a ground ball out. I presume he is hurt again.

Which likely means this is not Lima's final start.

TREMENDOUS!

10. AJM Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:09 PM (#2025728)

When is Maine coming back?

11. Mike Shannon's BAL Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:10 PM (#2025730)

This game will be harder for the Cardinals to win, even with Lima on the mound. Sandfrog cannot smell runs like Albert can.

AO

12. Chris now in Shanghai! Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:13 PM (#2025742)

I am hoping that Gonzalez and Maine (when he returns) not Lima get the starts.

13. Russlan roots for the mediocre Mets Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:13 PM (#2025745)

Why is Valentin at second a bad thing? If he plays everyday, he could still hit 20+ homers. I'd take that if he could hack it defensively.

14. Bob Koo Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:13 PM (#2025746)

Valentin's fluke weekend is going to cost the Mets for the rest of the year.

15. Russlan roots for the mediocre Mets Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:16 PM (#2025750)

Why do you guys hate Valentin so much? Flukes go both ways. How do we know that the first 20 Abs mean more than the last 10?

16. Bob Koo Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:17 PM (#2025754)

I am hoping that Gonzalez and Maine (when he returns) not Lima get the starts.

I prefer Heilman.

Why is Valentin at second a bad thing? If he plays everyday, he could still hit 20+ homers. I'd take that if he could hack it defensively.

You must've smoked something good this morning, Russlan. What makes you think he's retained his power at the age of 36? Did you see his .265 slugging percentage from a year ago?

17. Mike Shannon's BAL Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:17 PM (#2025755)

Good start for Marquis. According to Dan McLaughlin, in Marquis's 4 wins, he's held his opponent to a .000 batting average in the first inning. In his 4 losses, his opponent hit .474 in the first inning.

TLR and Duncan should keep that in mind. So from now on, when Marquis gives up his first hit in the first inning, they can immediately get Adam Wainright up in the bullpen.

AO

18. AJM Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:18 PM (#2025758)

I actually liked the Valentin signing. What I don't like is him being the first option off the bench and starting in LF.

19. Bob Koo Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:20 PM (#2025766)

Nice play by Valentin.

20. Mike Shannon's BAL Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:20 PM (#2025767)

Would Matsui have made that play?

AO

21. AJM Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:21 PM (#2025769)

####.

22. Bob Koo Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:21 PM (#2025770)

What the heck is wrong with Beltran's arm? It's really starting to tick me off.

I'm absolutely shocked that Lima gave up a run.

23. Rob Base Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:21 PM (#2025771)

So far so good.

24. Pagans in the Outfield (Matt) Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:22 PM (#2025777)

Wow, Lima gave up a run in the first inning?!?!?

25. Rob Base Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:23 PM (#2025781)

Lima3d

26. Banta Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:24 PM (#2025782)

Lima gonna drive me to do something crazy.

27. Bob Koo Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:28 PM (#2025792)

The rout is on.

28. Banta Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:28 PM (#2025795)

THIS IS ####### CRAP

Do we start Lima to justify the Zambrano trade too? "HEY LOOK, ZAMBRANO WAS A STAR COMPARED TO THIS #######"

29. The Mexicoan George Jefferson(Sheriff Blalock) Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:29 PM (#2025801)

The Chin Buddy strikes!!!

(I figure there should be one Cards post in this whole thing.)

30. Free Rob Base Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:30 PM (#2025803)

This one looks to be over.

31. Russlan roots for the mediocre Mets Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:31 PM (#2025805)

Soler in AA today: 7 IP, 2 ER, 8 Ks, 2 BBs, 5 Hs
Soler in AA overall. 19.2 22 ks, 3 BBs, 16 hits.

32. Russlan roots for the mediocre Mets Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:32 PM (#2025806)

I forgot the 2.75 ERA in AA overall.

33. Mike Shannon's BAL Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:34 PM (#2025812)

Hrmmmmmm, both runs were driven in by a Scott. Would the inning have ever ended if the lineup consisted of any combination of these guys?

AO

34. Bob Koo Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:38 PM (#2025821)

Gotta love Wright's working of the pitcher, but something seems amiss with his ability to drive the ball.

35. Bob Koo Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:40 PM (#2025823)

I'm getting tired of Floyd rolling over and bouncing the ball to the right side.

36. Banta Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:49 PM (#2025842)

FREE ALAY SOLER

37. Banta Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:53 PM (#2025852)

FREE RON DARLING

38. Banta Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:54 PM (#2025854)

FREE VICTOR ZAMBRANO PITCHING LEFT-HANDED

39. Chris now in Shanghai! Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:55 PM (#2025860)

Why do the Mets see any hope of Lima being better than awful?

40. Craig K some obscure verb phrase Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:55 PM (#2025861)

Eesh; I see why you guys hate him.

41. Banta Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:56 PM (#2025862)

And Lima can't catch either!!!

42. Craig K some obscure verb phrase Posted: May 18, 2006 at 01:58 PM (#2025867)

Jesus, I mean, come on, I'm left-handed, I throw a decent knuckleball; what the hell does Jose Lima have that I don't?

43. Benji Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:00 PM (#2025872)

Why do they think we'll find those TV head guy commercials funny?

44. SG in ATL Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:00 PM (#2025875)

What Time is it?

45. AJM Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:01 PM (#2025881)

I go out to get lunch and come back to this, suddenly I don't feel so hungry. Though I don't know why I expected anything better.

46. Mike Shannon's BAL Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:01 PM (#2025882)

Lima is hitting for himself. I like it.

AO

47. Banta Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:01 PM (#2025883)

FREE CRAIG3410

48. AJM Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:02 PM (#2025885)

Lima hits like he pitches!

49. Chris now in Shanghai! Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:03 PM (#2025887)

Are the Mets trying to score?

50. Banta Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:03 PM (#2025889)

And that's a good inning by the offense.

51. Russlan roots for the mediocre Mets Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:04 PM (#2025892)

Say what you want about Lima, but the offense hasn't exactly lit things up the last two games.

52. Joshemy Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:05 PM (#2025901)

Just got in. So, Jose Lima sucks? I'm shocked.

53. Banta Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:06 PM (#2025909)

Yes, Russlan, I'm pretty pissed at this whole collection of monkeys right now.

54. AJM Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:08 PM (#2025921)

I'm pretty pissed at this whole collection of monkeys right now.

Sometimes I love this team and other times I wonder why I root for these losers.

55. AJM Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:09 PM (#2025924)

What was that about?

56. Pagans in the Outfield (Matt) Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:11 PM (#2025934)

I made a Wawa run and I come back to my dad saying Delgado is about to fight Lima. Apparently he gunned a ball at him?

57. Banta Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:11 PM (#2025935)

The entire Mets team is just frustrated with Lima starting, so tensions are flaring.

58. Benji Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:13 PM (#2025940)

Is "maybe it might be time to look at someone besides Jose Lima" represnative of the hard-hitting commentary of Gary Cohen? Even Bob Murphy the eternal optimist would say that.

59. Banta Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:13 PM (#2025944)

VALENTIN OBP MACHINE

60. Pagans in the Outfield (Matt) Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:14 PM (#2025947)

VALENSUCK GETS ON BASE!

61. Joshemy Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:14 PM (#2025948)

Valentin walks!

62. AJM Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:15 PM (#2025950)

BELTRAN!!

63. Joshemy Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:15 PM (#2025951)

CARLOS BELTRAN!!!

64. Pagans in the Outfield (Matt) Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:15 PM (#2025952)

BELTRANNNNN!

65. Benji Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:15 PM (#2025953)

Thatta boy Carlos!

66. Craig K some obscure verb phrase Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:15 PM (#2025956)

Hi, shitty Marquis!

67. Banta Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:16 PM (#2025963)

I POSTED SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T GO THROUGH! GO BELTRAN!!

68. Joshemy Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:19 PM (#2025969)

Cliff Floyd does something that is actually productive at the plate!!!

69. Pagans in the Outfield (Matt) Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:20 PM (#2025971)

Wow, even Floyd is getting on base.

70. Benji Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:22 PM (#2025981)

How are they gonna get to San Francisco in 38 minutes?

71. Pagans in the Outfield (Matt) Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:22 PM (#2025982)

Is there any further word on Bannister yet?

72. Bob Koo Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:25 PM (#2025990)

Bannister left with discomfort in his hamstring while running to cover first base.

73. Joshemy Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:25 PM (#2025996)

Why is Don King on my television?

74. Benji Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:26 PM (#2025998)

Get that ####### off

75. Pagans in the Outfield (Matt) Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:26 PM (#2025999)

Bannister left with discomfort in his hamstring while running to cover first base.

Okay, so he's out another two months? Maine better get here before Lima's next scheduled start.

76. Russlan roots for the mediocre Mets Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:27 PM (#2026005)

Good or bad, Anderson Hernandez is probably going to get called up sooner rather than later. He's gone 2-3 so far today with a stolen base. He's hitting .433/.485/.500 with 4 stolen bases in 30 ABs.

77. Banta Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:27 PM (#2026006)

Another scoreless inning!

78. Lake Placido Polanco (Crispix Attacks) Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:28 PM (#2026011)

Jose Lima and Cole Hamels have both met expectations so far today.

79. Pagans in the Outfield (Matt) Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:28 PM (#2026014)

Lima's thrown 81 pitches through four. He actually has a legitimate shot at making it past the fifth inning.

Which means Willie will find a way to justify giving him another month's worth of starts.

This team is ####### doomed.

80. Pagans in the Outfield (Matt) Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:31 PM (#2026026)

At least Chavez is trying to bunt. It is the only way he can get on base.

81. Bob Koo Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:36 PM (#2026048)

Are you kidding me? That play wasn't even close! What a joke.

82. AJM Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:36 PM (#2026049)

He was out. It wasn't even that close.

83. Joshemy Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:36 PM (#2026051)

HE WAS OUT! DELGADO MADE A GREAT SCOOP! DAMN YOU UMP!!!

Nice play by Lima on Rolen's.

84. Russlan roots for the mediocre Mets Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:36 PM (#2026052)

He was out.

85. Benji Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:36 PM (#2026053)

It seems like a lot of Met fans have a pathological hatred for good defensive players that can run. We were 11-2 with Hernandez in the lineup, remember? Do we want to go back to the Mo Vaughns and Jeromy Burnitzes?

86. Pagans in the Outfield (Matt) Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:37 PM (#2026055)

Once again, MLB has a vendetta against the Mets.

87. Russlan roots for the mediocre Mets Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:40 PM (#2026072)

Benji, Hernandez has to hit at least a bit. He's an amazing defnesive player but he was beyond terrible at the plate.

88. Pagans in the Outfield (Matt) Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:41 PM (#2026076)

Lima is trying his best not to get through five.

89. Craig K some obscure verb phrase Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:43 PM (#2026083)

Benji, Hernandez has to hit at least a bit. He's an amazing defnesive player but he was beyond terrible at the plate.

So, Rey Ordonez Jr.?

90. Joshemy Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:44 PM (#2026085)

That's rough.

91. Pagans in the Outfield (Matt) Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:44 PM (#2026088)

GET ############# JOSE ####### LIMA OFF OF MY ####### TEAM.

I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE.

92. Bob Koo Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:44 PM (#2026089)

This better be the last time I see Lima pitching on a mound for the Mets. Unfortunately, I don't think it will be.

93. Banta Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:45 PM (#2026091)

Hey, Willie decided to pull Lima a LITTLE BIT faster this time.

94. Russlan roots for the mediocre Mets Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:45 PM (#2026096)

Lima obviously didn't pitch well but he's also been the recipient of some bad luck today. The error, the missed call at first, and that double by Spezio.

95. Benji Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:46 PM (#2026097)

Hopefully this will be finis for Lima. And the rockheaded decision to keep Heilman in the bullpen will be revisited.

96. Craig K some obscure verb phrase Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:46 PM (#2026099)

Chadford!

97. Pagans in the Outfield (Matt) Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:47 PM (#2026107)

Lima obviously didn't pitch well but he's also been the recipient of some bad luck today. The error, the missed call at first, and that double by Spezio.

I don't give a flying ####. The team goes out there knowing they will lose by at least five. There's a goddamned reason why he gets "bad luck." Mets management should be chastized for this. Un-#######-real.

98. Craig K some obscure verb phrase Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:47 PM (#2026109)

I hope we see him for more than one damn pitch.

99. Benji Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:48 PM (#2026112)

Do one thing before you go, Lima. Punch Rick Peterson's face in.

100. Banta Posted: May 18, 2006 at 02:49 PM (#2026118)

Lima obviously didn't pitch well but he's also been the recipient of some bad luck today.

Luck is the residue of design.

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