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El Duque tries to handcuff the JV.

Chris Dial Posted: June 30, 2006 at 11:07 AM | 330 comment(s)
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1. RB in NYC (Now with Time-Consuming New Job!) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 12:07 PM (#2082360)

Sorry Chris, but the last time El Duque was trying to handcuff the JV was this game (and damned if he didn't do just that!). A Yankee win tonight would drop the alledged "best team" in the National League to just 5-8 aganist a real league. Bet they can't wait to be back to playing the NL East.

2. CHRIS CARTER IS FREE!(Met Fan Charlie) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 02:40 PM (#2082498)

Why is it that Yankee fans must always resort to ancient history?

3. CHRIS CARTER IS FREE!(Met Fan Charlie) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 02:41 PM (#2082500)

And not for nothin', 5-8 would still be the 3rd best NL record in inter-League competiton.

4. Matt Waters Posted: June 30, 2006 at 03:04 PM (#2082531)

Look, all I'm going to say is this: When Mike Lupica is one of your top boosters, things are bound to go horribly wrong at some point. Blame Karma.

5. bebop Posted: June 30, 2006 at 03:24 PM (#2082557)

How about bringing up Durazo and DFAing Reese (why do the Yankees need two poor hitting outfielders) and then playing Durazo against some righthanders.

6. Sean McNally Posted: June 30, 2006 at 03:26 PM (#2082559)

I hope El Duque doesn't handcuff the JV... I mean, I hope he pitches well and the JV's closer Fuaxirano "Sandbagged" Wagner comes in and gags up the lead. Again.

7. RB in NYC (Now with Time-Consuming New Job!) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 03:33 PM (#2082567)

How about bringing up Durazo and DFAing Reese (why do the Yankees need two poor hitting outfielders) and then playing Durazo against some righthanders.

Well, as I understand it, Durazo is even more of a trainwreck at first base than Giambi. I'm not sure the offensive upgrade to him from Phillips to worth the defensive downgrade and increased injury chance to Giambi

8. CHRIS CARTER IS FREE!(Met Fan Charlie) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 04:00 PM (#2082601)

Oh Oh Oh I get it now.

The Yankees are the varsity.

Kinda like the Duke lacrosse team.

I see...

9. bebop Posted: June 30, 2006 at 04:30 PM (#2082633)

Durazo would dh sometimes against difficut righties like El Duque who's much tougher on righties as well as pinch hitting for Cairo in a late inning. He has a lifetime ops+ of 125 so I'd roll the dice a little and see what he has.

10. Raskolnikov Posted: June 30, 2006 at 04:33 PM (#2082636)

Interesting matchup of two irresistible negative forces - the non Mets ace starters vs. the walking wounded Yankee lineup. Neither unit scares anyone. I'm curious to see which will prevail.

Has Floyd been called back up for this series - it would make a lot of sense for him to play this weekend.

11. Sean McNally Posted: June 30, 2006 at 04:40 PM (#2082646)

The Yankees are the varsity.

As they always have been...

12. Russlan thinks Jose Reyes pops up too much Posted: June 30, 2006 at 05:22 PM (#2082707)

Anyone catch the Argentina-Germany game? I'm sure OFF is none too happy about it. Messi not playing at all and Riquelme getting subbed with about 20 minutes to go? Crespo, Saviola, Messi, and Riquelme on the bench by the end of the game? Ouch.

13. NJ in DC (Now searching for employment!) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 05:32 PM (#2082714)

Turns out that Jeter was responsible for A-Rod's. According to Rodriguez himself on the FAN, when he picked up the bat while Jeter was batting, it felt lighter in his hands.

14. NJ in DC (Now searching for employment!) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 05:42 PM (#2082719)

I think it's funny that A-Rod has a Spanish accent, but as far as I know, doesn't REALLY speak Spanish.

15. PJ Martinez Posted: June 30, 2006 at 05:52 PM (#2082724)

I don't think A-Rod has a Spanish accent.

16. RB in NYC (Now with Time-Consuming New Job!) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 05:55 PM (#2082727)

I thought A-Rod did speak Spanish, wasn't he translating for Cabrera or Cano at some point during his interviews? Or am I straight out of my mind?

17. NJ in DC (Now searching for employment!) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 06:00 PM (#2082729)

IIRC, RB, that's entirely possible because he supposedly he can speak Spanish to an extent, but isn't fluent.

18. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: June 30, 2006 at 06:04 PM (#2082733)

I don't think A-Rod has a Spanish accent.

I assumed that was a Miami accent.

he can speak Spanish to an extent, but isn't fluent.

Listening to him on the "Use your SAP button to watch YES in Spanish" ad, he doesn't sound as comfortable as bona fide native speakers like Bernie and Posada.

19. RB in NYC (Now with Time-Consuming New Job!) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 06:06 PM (#2082736)

I assumed that was a Miami accent.

Is that some sort of gay joke?

Listening to him on the "Use your SAP button to watch YES in Spanish" ad, he doesn't sound as comfortable as bona fide native speakers like Bernie and Posada.

But how does he compare to Hideki "The Magic of Fo-net-icks!" Matsui?

20. RB in NYC (Now with Time-Consuming New Job!) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 06:14 PM (#2082741)

Oh, since this figures to be the NYC Chatter, what do we think of doing a meet-up next week, Wednesday or Thursday night? A game is probably out, but we could meet at a sports bar (that Tonic place was nice) and watch the different games. Mets and Yankees are both 7:00 starts those nights

21. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: June 30, 2006 at 06:22 PM (#2082743)

Oh, since this figures to be the NYC Chatter, what do we think of doing a meet-up next week, Wednesday or Thursday night?

I am on the schedule at work both those days. However, Wednesday is the WC semifinal, so I might feel a case of food-poisoning coming on.

22. RB in NYC (Now with Time-Consuming New Job!) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 06:27 PM (#2082745)

I have a job interview at the DA's office at 3:30 on Wednesday, but I'm free after that, so I could probably be around to watch the back half of what I assume will be an England/Brazil semi.

Fabian? Anyone else?

23. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: June 30, 2006 at 06:36 PM (#2082750)

I assume will be an England/Brazil semi.

Er, Portugal/Brazil. I am rooting against the Inselaffen.

24. NJ in DC (Now searching for employment!) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:01 PM (#2082761)

Interesting audio on the YES feed.

25. Not Marv Cook Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:02 PM (#2082762)

Firstly:

DEUTSCHLAND! DEUTSCHLAND!

Also, what are some of your personal feelings about these games? Since I know exactly zero Mets fans, I really have know idea. It's exactly like any other game to me.

26. Joshemy Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:04 PM (#2082764)

Paul LoDuca, DH.

I hate that.

27. Banta Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:06 PM (#2082768)

LoDuca might turn into a bigger problem than Kaz ever was, because no one seems to know that he sucks.

28. Banta Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:09 PM (#2082773)

Hah, so Delgado is more than a little bit banged up, it seems.

29. Joshemy Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:10 PM (#2082774)

I see Reyes is very in to taking pitches tonight.

30. NJ in DC (Now searching for employment!) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:10 PM (#2082775)

Those CS numbers for Posada must be in reverse or something. No way he's thrown out 69% of runners.

31. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:13 PM (#2082778)

WHY IS BLOW DUCA DHING? WILLIE, I'LL KILL YOU.

32. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:13 PM (#2082780)

I'm starting to loathe LoDuca. He's robbing Beltran, Delgado, and Wright of precious RBI opportunities.

33. NJ in DC (Now searching for employment!) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:13 PM (#2082779)

This umpire was painfully slow on the 0-1 pitch to Beltran.

34. Joshemy Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:14 PM (#2082783)

Good to see Cairo still sucks.

35. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:14 PM (#2082785)

Miguel Cairo makes me sad.

36. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:14 PM (#2082787)

Michael Kay: "We'll see how they score it."

Are you kidding me?!?

37. NJ in DC (Now searching for employment!) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:15 PM (#2082788)

I'm glad that because Cairo is so terrific at handling the bat, otherwise we might lose something with Cano on the DL.

38. AJM Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:16 PM (#2082793)

Where are you going? It was outside.

39. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:16 PM (#2082794)

What's the deal with Delgado?

And I lament I must listen to Company Man, Al Leiter.

40. NJ in DC (Now searching for employment!) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:18 PM (#2082799)

91 MPH HEAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

41. AJM Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:19 PM (#2082803)

At least Mussina threw 18 pitches.

42. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:20 PM (#2082804)

And I guess the Mets will have its third starter hand-delivered. Jeff Weaver was DFAed.

43. Banta Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:22 PM (#2082806)

Just a feeling I have, but I don't think Omar wants any part of Jeff Weaver.

44. Chris Dial Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:22 PM (#2082807)

and gags up the lead. Again.

I've forgotten - how did that series turn out?

45. AJM Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:22 PM (#2082808)

And I guess the Mets will have its third starter hand-delivered. Jeff Weaver was DFAed.

For the minimum I'd take him, maybe Peterson can find 10 minutes to work with him.

46. Raskolnikov Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:23 PM (#2082809)

The top of the order is driving me nuts again. Reyes has stopped working the count. LoDuca does a great job working the count - and then proceeds to waste it with a meaningless hack. LoDuca, a walk is a good result.

47. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:24 PM (#2082811)

Giambi is on some kinda roll.

48. Raskolnikov Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:24 PM (#2082812)

Nice job, Duque.

49. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:24 PM (#2082813)

I'd take him for above the minimum. He's better than this ####.

50. AJM Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:24 PM (#2082814)

Yeah, El Duque sucks.

51. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:26 PM (#2082815)

Did those monkeys boo Rodriguez after that out? I wouldn't put it past them.

52. AJM Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:26 PM (#2082817)

I'd take him for above the minimum.

Me too, but they don't need to pay him more than the minimum, right?

53. Raskolnikov Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:26 PM (#2082818)

Giambi has carried this Yankee offense.

54. Banta Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:27 PM (#2082819)

I'd take Weaver for the minimum too, but in addition to being craptastic this year, he has a history of not having the mental fortitude to succeed in New York. I'm not saying that stuff like that is a deciding factor to Omar, but I get the feeling from him that he does put value on it.

55. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:27 PM (#2082821)

LoDuca does a great job working the count - and then proceeds to waste it with a meaningless hack. LoDuca, a walk is a good result.

You kidding me? Paul Lo Duca doesn't believe in walks. PAUL LO DUCA IS BETTER THAN WALKS!

56. Raskolnikov Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:28 PM (#2082822)

Good to see Floyd back in the lineup.

57. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:29 PM (#2082823)

I'd take Weaver for the minimum too, but in addition to being craptastic this year, he has a history of not having the mental fortitude to succeed in New York.

I think two different aspects from his original NY go-around could help. National League and Shea Stadium.

58. Banta Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:29 PM (#2082824)

I love Cliff being back, even with that popout. He rules.

59. Banta Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:30 PM (#2082825)

Once again, I'm not saying that I put a lot of stock in the mentality to succeed in NY stuff, but I suspect that Omar does.

60. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:30 PM (#2082826)

Me too, but they don't need to pay him more than the minimum, right?

Well, LAA has 10 days to trade him or release him. I'm going assume (correctly) there are plenty of teams interested in his services and a trade is the likely route. In that case, a team may pay more of his salary.

61. AJM Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:32 PM (#2082828)

Well, LAA has 10 days to trade him or release him.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I need some sleep.

62. Banta Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:33 PM (#2082832)

It does suck that things that the Mets are going through just to find a starter of Kris Benson's quality.

63. Raskolnikov Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:33 PM (#2082833)

I'd give Weaver a shot, but I wouldn't pin any hopes on him. It's not as if suckiness can correct itself quickly. He needs a stint in the minors to work out his issues.

It's been 1 1/2 innings, and I'm feeling ill about this game already

64. Chris Dial Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:34 PM (#2082835)

I'm sure I'm somewhat biased, but are the Mets the only team without homer announcers?

Leiter is nice and impartial, but these guys are annoying.

65. Raskolnikov Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:35 PM (#2082838)

Okay, the freebie part of the Yankee lineup.

66. Banta Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:36 PM (#2082840)

You know, Jeff Weaver is pretty much garbage, actually. Trachsel probably has a good a chance to be league average as he does.

baseball-reference page
espn page

I certainly don't want to give up anything of any value to get a chance for a guy like Weaver to be slightly above average.

67. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:37 PM (#2082842)

I certainly don't want to give up anything of any value to get a chance for a guy like Weaver to be slightly above average.

Well, then you probably won't get him.

68. NJ in DC (Now searching for employment!) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:38 PM (#2082843)

I'm sure I'm somewhat biased, but are the Mets the only team without homer announcers?

Hey, at least our announcers aren't all "Ughhhhhhhhhhh...extra innings...my job as a baseball announcer is so tough that calling a few more innings is going to kill me".

69. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:39 PM (#2082844)

Not so hot, Andrew.

70. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:39 PM (#2082845)

Phillies already losing in the first, 4-0. Sent their new starter Adam Bernero to the mound.

71. Chris Dial Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:39 PM (#2082846)

That inning was pretty good.

Chavez, Castro and Reyes - sounds like runs!

72. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:41 PM (#2082851)

Hey, at least our announcers aren't all "Ughhhhhhhhhhh...extra innings...my job as a baseball announcer is so tough that calling a few more innings is going to kill me".

Yeah, but their guys don't refer to extras as "bonus cantos," as a certain Bronx Science embarrassment on the Yankee broadcast does.

73. Banta Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:41 PM (#2082852)

Well, then you probably won't get him.

Then I guess I'm fine with that. I want a real upgrade at third starter, for the playoffs. The regular season really doesn't matter anymore. Our current crop of starters is more than adequate.

Hey, at least our announcers aren't all "Ughhhhhhhhhhh...extra innings...my job as a baseball announcer is so tough that calling a few more innings is going to kill me".

That's just Keith Hernandez. And that's because he has better things to do than announce games. Like blowing massive amounts of coke and having sex with hookers!

74. Chris Dial Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:41 PM (#2082853)

Hey, at least our announcers aren't all "Ughhhhhhhhhhh...extra innings...my job as a baseball announcer is so tough that calling a few more innings is going to kill me".

No the fans are going "Ughhhhhhhhhhh...extra innings...lsteining to these baseball announcers is so tough that a few more innings is going to kill me".

75. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:43 PM (#2082855)

Sent their new starter Adam Bernero to the mound.

Of the 2003 Tigers? What a steal!

That's just Keith Hernandez. And that's because he has better things to do than announce games. Like blowing massive amounts of coke and having sex with hookers!

Can't say he doesn't have his priorities straight.

76. Raskolnikov Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:44 PM (#2082856)

Mussina is on top of his game - what is this with us running into buzzsaw pitchers recently?

77. 5.00, .280/.320/.400, 4th outfielder Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:44 PM (#2082857)

This is the backup catcher. Don't walk him.

78. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:44 PM (#2082858)

"YES's Ultimate Road Trip. Find out whether rain ruined Old Timer's Day! Sunday at 7:30."

Yes, I'm pretty sure it did.

79. Chris Dial Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:45 PM (#2082859)

Well, Reyes took three straight pitches. FINALLY.

80. Banta Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:45 PM (#2082860)

That's not funny, Cairo. Cut it the #### out.

81. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:45 PM (#2082861)

We make Miguel Cairo look like a gold glover. Great.

82. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:46 PM (#2082862)

Yes, I'm pretty sure it did.

It wasn't as cool watching all the elderly greats line up around the old tarp.

83. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:46 PM (#2082863)

This is the backup catcher.

LoDuca is the backup... Willie just hasn't realized it yet.

This Mets team looks dead. Bad omens. 6 game losing streak, here we come!

84. Raskolnikov Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:46 PM (#2082864)

The problem with looking for any starting pitching is that it will be in such high demand this deadline season. Any decent starter will fetch a boatload of prospects.

85. Banta Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:48 PM (#2082866)

Bad omens.

Husha your damn mouth!

86. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:48 PM (#2082868)

Great. My all-time favorite song is being used in a TD Banknorth commercial.

87. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:48 PM (#2082869)

This Mets team looks dead. Bad omens. 6 game losing streak, here we come!

A sweep here is the least the Mets could do after how they played in Boston.

88. 5.00, .280/.320/.400, 4th outfielder Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:49 PM (#2082870)

Experience doesn't equal talent.

89. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:49 PM (#2082871)

Um, Nady has a broken wrist?

I guess Milledge is coming back up

90. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:50 PM (#2082873)

Husha your damn mouth!

Okay. *ambles away sadly*

91. Chris Dial Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:50 PM (#2082874)

We make Miguel Cairo look like a gold glover. Great.

Cairo used to be freakin' great with the glove.

92. AJM Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:51 PM (#2082876)

Listening to these guys it sounds like Cairo is the greatest second baseman in the history of the world.

93. 5.00, .280/.320/.400, 4th outfielder Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:51 PM (#2082877)

Why do the announcers believe Cairo is a good bat handler he can't do anything but play defense.

94. Raskolnikov Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:51 PM (#2082878)

LoDuca is the backup... Willie just hasn't realized it yet.

I miss Mike.

95. Banta Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:52 PM (#2082880)

On SNY they're saying that Nady's gonna play through it. Plus, they just sent Milledge down, so they can't bring him back up, right?

Okay. *ambles away sadly*

Ah, come on, I didn't mean anything by it! Don't be that way!

96. Chris Dial Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:52 PM (#2082881)

BTW, the Sox sanded up the leadoff area in front of first base. Cheaters.

97. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:53 PM (#2082883)

Listening to these guys it sounds like Cairo is the greatest second baseman in the history of the world.
Why do the announcers believe Cairo is a good bat handler he can't do anything but play defense.

Blinded by the pinstripes.

98. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:53 PM (#2082884)

I miss Mike.

Decline phase Piazza is still a great stick for a backstop.

99. Sam M. Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:53 PM (#2082885)

Hey, Leiter doesn't listen to Kay either! He repeated the figures on Damon v. El Duque 10 seconds after Kay gave them -- I love it. Leiter looks dumb.

100. Banta Posted: June 30, 2006 at 07:54 PM (#2082886)

Forget my stupid comment. Obviously if Nady's DLed, they can bring back Milledge.

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