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Saturday, July 01, 2006

NYM (47-32) at NYY (45-32) - 1:20pm ET

NYM: S. Trachsel (6-4, 4.82) vs. NYY: R. Johnson (9-6, 4.84)

The best team in New York takes on the Mets. This pitching matchup features the slowest working pitcher in baseball opposing the slowest throwing pitcher in baseball. As an extra bonus, you get Tim McCarver calling it.

SG in ATL Posted: July 01, 2006 at 10:07 AM | 494 comment(s)
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1. TVerik, the world�s No. 1 hydrogen dirigible Posted: July 01, 2006 at 10:16 AM (#2083382)

Any preseason takers on Trachsel's ERA being better than RJs on July 1?

2. TVerik, the world�s No. 1 hydrogen dirigible Posted: July 01, 2006 at 10:20 AM (#2083385)

By the way, I have a ReplayTV, so I have to try to figure out the end time of this game now in order to make sure I get it all.

I'm putting the over/under at 5PM, and I'll likely record straight through 'till about 6.

3. TVerik, the world�s No. 1 hydrogen dirigible Posted: July 01, 2006 at 10:35 AM (#2083389)

I've been reading Philip K Dick stories the last week or so.

Do you think it's possible that a robot killed Mariano Rivera while he was in the minors and took his place?

4. SG in ATL Posted: July 01, 2006 at 10:44 AM (#2083391)

Who are you talking to Erik?

5. TVerik, the world�s No. 1 hydrogen dirigible Posted: July 01, 2006 at 10:44 AM (#2083392)

If only there were some kind of magic serum that added miles per hour to a middling reliever's fastball. But that's un-possible.

6. TVerik, the world�s No. 1 hydrogen dirigible Posted: July 01, 2006 at 10:46 AM (#2083393)

I see no reason for others to be in the thread.

Alternately (I told you, I'm in a sci-fi mindset at the moment), the fact that I cannot see them and they aren't responding doesn't mean they're not there.

7. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 11:47 AM (#2083418)

Any preseason takers on Trachsel's ERA being better than RJs on July 1?

After the game it won't.

8. tfbg9 Posted: July 01, 2006 at 12:02 PM (#2083421)

Philip K Dick is awesome.

9. TVerik, the world�s No. 1 hydrogen dirigible Posted: July 01, 2006 at 12:05 PM (#2083423)

Every time a movie based on one of his stories comes out, I read the whole bunch of stories again and ignore the movie.

10. villainx Posted: July 01, 2006 at 12:15 PM (#2083427)

As of this morning,

Jeter is batting .333 and has 46 rbi, and career high rbi is 102;

Reyes is batting .289 with only 36 rbi. His career high rbi is 58;

Alex had 130 rbi, and has top 100 rbi for almost 10 seasons;

Wright had 102 rbi last year, and it was the only time he has done so.

Clearly Alex and Jeter is better than Reyes and Wright for the next five years.

11. villainx Posted: July 01, 2006 at 12:20 PM (#2083430)

i'm reading scanner now, my first time reading phil k dick.

12. Raskolnikov Posted: July 01, 2006 at 12:22 PM (#2083431)

Wow, I'm watching the England-Port. match. What a horrible red card call on Rooney. Why can't they find any refs with competence and a spine?

13. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 12:32 PM (#2083433)

You kidding me Rask? It was well-deserved.

14. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 12:35 PM (#2083434)

Oh, and I've only read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? which is a fine novel.

15. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 12:38 PM (#2083435)

Seems like Willie has really learned from his mistakes. I present the worst lineup of the season for you:

J. Reyes ss
P. Lo Duca dh
C. Beltran cf
D. Wright 3b
J. Franco 1b
X. Nady rf
C. Woodward 2b
R. Castro c
E. Marrero lf

I pin the chances of winning at around 4%. If they somehow pull it out today, I say it's the win of the season.

16. Raskolnikov Posted: July 01, 2006 at 12:43 PM (#2083438)

You kidding me Rask? It was well-deserved.

No way. That was incidental contact. You could see that the refs only went red after being bombarded by pleas from the Portugal players.

17. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 12:46 PM (#2083439)

Well he did stomp on the Portuguese player. Then he lost his cool and shoved someone with an elbow. I'd say that's pretty damn close to a red.

18. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 12:49 PM (#2083440)

Ooo, late flurry by England. They'll still lose in PKs.

19. Raskolnikov Posted: July 01, 2006 at 12:49 PM (#2083441)

I don't think a ref should make such an impacting decision unless he's sure of that type of call. That wasn't even borderline and to affect the game at such a level is poor officiating.

20. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 12:51 PM (#2083442)

Well, I don't either. But it shouldn't come as surprising. They've done it time and time again in this World Cup. Rooney should know better. The shove was the final straw for the ref.

21. villainx Posted: July 01, 2006 at 12:53 PM (#2083444)

No replay of the red card so far.

So I can't say.

22. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: July 01, 2006 at 12:53 PM (#2083445)

That lineup isn't wonderful, but I'm not really sure what could be done to make it any better.

23. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 12:54 PM (#2083446)

No replay of the red card so far.

So I can't say.

Yeah, don't you love ABC? Worst coverage ever.

24. villainx Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:05 PM (#2083452)

For some reason, i would think being a man up would be a bigger advantage than has been evident so far.

25. TVerik, the world�s No. 1 hydrogen dirigible Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:06 PM (#2083453)

Actually, ABC is just piggybacking the "world feed". So broadcasters around the world have exactly the same replays.

26. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:07 PM (#2083455)

Haha, Crouch is terrible!

27. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:07 PM (#2083456)

I doubt I'll ever watch a non-World Cup game, but I am very much enjoying this tournament.

28. Raskolnikov Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:08 PM (#2083458)

England's played great since the red card. At least 2 tremendous chances - if they don't prevail, they're going to regret not converting.

BTW, Matt, how can you say Crouch isn't a quality player after this match?

29. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:09 PM (#2083459)

I don't know Erik, I was reading The Guardian's game blog and they are talking about replays. And someone from Canada who I am chatting with said he saw a replay.

30. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:10 PM (#2083460)

BTW, Matt, how can you say Crouch isn't a quality player after this match?

If he ##### up his penalty later.

31. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:10 PM (#2083461)

For some reason, i would think being a man up would be a bigger advantage than has been evident so far.

I think the reason it's more of an advantage in hockey is because you can move faster and the hard puck moves faster and truer on ice than an air-filled ball on grass, making it a lot easier to set up the unguarded man.

32. villainx Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:11 PM (#2083463)

Actually, ABC is just piggybacking the "world feed". So broadcasters around the world have exactly the same replays.

They can't edit from the feed? No replay at end of regulation, end of 1st overtime? They are forced to show players drinking water instead.

33. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:12 PM (#2083464)

For some reason, i would think being a man up would be a bigger advantage than has been evident so far.

It should be. Portugal was playing extremely passive in the final 30 minutes of regulation.

34. villainx Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:13 PM (#2083468)

That was an underwhelming reply of the red card incident.

35. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:13 PM (#2083469)

There's a replay. Yep, groin shot.

36. Orange and Blue Velvet Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:14 PM (#2083471)

I hate Newscorp. Watching New York baseball fellate itself is painful.

Wright: "Derek Jeter is my hero."
Jeter: "Jose Reyes is fun to watch."

37. TVerik, the world�s No. 1 hydrogen dirigible Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:15 PM (#2083472)

They can't edit from the feed? No replay at end of regulation, end of 1st overtime? They are forced to show players drinking water instead.

That's a very good question.

In order to edit from the feed, they'd need to pay for and staff a control room. Which raises the cost for the game significantly, without adding at all to the ratings. After all, who would watch World Cup action ONLY if there were extended replays?

38. Raskolnikov Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:23 PM (#2083480)

Geez, the Portugese are such divers. And he's my David Wright of soccer, but Lampard has disappeared since the early 2nd half.

39. villainx Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:23 PM (#2083481)

After all, who would watch World Cup action ONLY if there were extended replays?

i guess more people if they did a better job. the world cup games are amazing, but a lot of time, the analyst are talking with no visual examples.

of course, it could also be the fox nightmare too. so i guess this is better.

40. TVerik, the world�s No. 1 hydrogen dirigible Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:24 PM (#2083483)

By the way, before the game starts, I think that Dick fans should pick up the various collections of his short stories - I think they're better than the novels.

I recommend this one.

41. villainx Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:25 PM (#2083485)

but Lampard has disappeared since the early 2nd half.

He's playing D?

42. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:26 PM (#2083487)

Lennon coming off? What the ####?

43. TVerik, the world�s No. 1 hydrogen dirigible Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:27 PM (#2083489)

Broadcasters have exclusivity, and that's why. We can't have consumers choosing the best coverage of these games. They're gonna get the coverage that suits think they should get.

44. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:28 PM (#2083491)

Hey, the Mets have as many hits today as yesterday!

45. Raskolnikov Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:28 PM (#2083492)

but Lampard has disappeared since the early 2nd half.

He's playing D?

Yeah, but the English need him for midfield presence and some offense. Gerrard on the other hand has been fantastic in this game.

46. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:29 PM (#2083493)

McCarver makes idiotic comment No. 1 of the day.

47. villainx Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:29 PM (#2083494)

PK time, I guess. This will be cool, I've never seen one before.

48. Raskolnikov Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:29 PM (#2083495)

England is in survival mode right now.

49. Joshemy will miss Endy Magic Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:29 PM (#2083496)

Hey Reyes!

50. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:30 PM (#2083497)

Excellent...

51. Joshemy will miss Endy Magic Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:30 PM (#2083498)

More hits than last night!

52. Raskolnikov Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:30 PM (#2083499)

LoDuca doing something productive!

53. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:31 PM (#2083500)

Whaddya say? Garrard, Lampard, Crouch, Hargreaves and Cole?

54. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:31 PM (#2083503)

PK time, I guess. This will be cool, I've never seen one before.

Penalty kicks suck. It pretty much comes down to if the goalkeeper guesses right.

It's like deciding who wins on a coinflip.

55. Raskolnikov Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:32 PM (#2083505)

Terry definitely will be one.

56. AJMacaroni Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:32 PM (#2083506)

Not good Beltran.

57. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:33 PM (#2083509)

Way to go David!!!

58. villainx Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:33 PM (#2083510)

Penalty kicks suck. It pretty much comes down to if the goalkeeper guesses right.

It does help show who's clutch and who isn't?

59. AJMacaroni Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:34 PM (#2083511)

WRIGHT!

60. NJ likes the people, the books, hates the format. Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:34 PM (#2083512)

Thanks, Randy.

61. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:34 PM (#2083513)

WRIGHT!

Now go England!

62. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:35 PM (#2083514)

C'mon foreigners who speak our language!

63. Joshemy will miss Endy Magic Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:35 PM (#2083518)

D-Wright!

64. AJMacaroni Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:36 PM (#2083519)

A Rickey sighting!

65. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:37 PM (#2083520)

Well, England is done.

66. Raskolnikov Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:37 PM (#2083521)

Lampard blows it!

67. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:37 PM (#2083523)

Wow Lampard. Wow.

68. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:38 PM (#2083525)

OFF THE POST! OFF THE POST!

69. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:39 PM (#2083527)

Hargreaves repents!

70. Raskolnikov Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:39 PM (#2083528)

Sidebar!

71. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:40 PM (#2083529)

England with a chance to take the lead!

72. AJMacaroni Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:40 PM (#2083530)

Portugal sucks.

73. Raskolnikov Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:41 PM (#2083532)

Gerrard misses too. Wow.

74. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:41 PM (#2083533)

Keepers guessing well here.

75. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:42 PM (#2083536)

NOW England is done.

76. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:42 PM (#2083535)

Carragher is a failure.

77. Raskolnikov Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:44 PM (#2083539)

Don't know why England kept going low.

78. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:44 PM (#2083540)

Carragher should be tortured and shot.

79. Joshemy will miss Endy Magic Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:45 PM (#2083543)

He's out!!!

80. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:45 PM (#2083544)

Can't believe they didn't let Crouch shoot instead of Carragher.

81. NJ likes the people, the books, hates the format. Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:45 PM (#2083545)

Even Tim McCarver knew Jeter was out. Heh.

82. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:46 PM (#2083546)

Er, nevermind.

83. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:47 PM (#2083548)

Umpires are ####### the Mets sideways here.

84. TVerik, the world�s No. 1 hydrogen dirigible Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:47 PM (#2083549)

From a Yankee perspective, they have to take advantage of this.

85. Joshemy will miss Endy Magic Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:48 PM (#2083550)

Strike him out throw him out!

86. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:48 PM (#2083551)

So Joe Torre makes up for the umpires' mistakes.

87. TVerik, the world�s No. 1 hydrogen dirigible Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:48 PM (#2083552)

&*(@#^*()@^()!@^()#

88. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:48 PM (#2083553)

Sit your butt down, Giambi. You too, Johnny.

89. NJ likes the people, the books, hates the format. Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:48 PM (#2083554)

It was retarded to start the runners with Giambi batting. What the hell was up with Damon on that "run"?

90. TVerik, the world�s No. 1 hydrogen dirigible Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:50 PM (#2083557)

Also, I tried to emphasize "have", not "take". Which makes no sense.

91. villainx Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:50 PM (#2083558)

Trax is so deliberate.

92. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:52 PM (#2083560)

Over/under on Trachsel innings today: 5.1

I'll take the under.

93. villainx Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:52 PM (#2083561)

Mauer is really hitting .392? Damn.

94. NJ likes the people, the books, hates the format. Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:53 PM (#2083562)

That was a waste.

95. CrosbyBird Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:53 PM (#2083563)

You don't get to set the over/under and then choose!

But I'll take the over on 5.1 anyway.

96. Orange and Blue Velvet Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:54 PM (#2083564)

Mauer is really hitting .392? Damn.

Best young player in baseball. Great defensive catcher. Ultra-hot girlfriend.

97. CrosbyBird Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:55 PM (#2083566)

Mauer is really hitting .392? Damn.

Good thing I traded him.

98. Raskolnikov Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:56 PM (#2083569)

That should have been a hit, the Mets are suffering from a run of bad luck.

99. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:56 PM (#2083570)

You don't get to set the over/under and then choose!

I set it objectively.

Mets trying to kill Johnson. They figure this is the only way they can win?

100. rLr Shouldn't Have Drunk The Hot Mountain Dew Posted: July 01, 2006 at 01:58 PM (#2083572)

That was uncanny. On two consecutive pitches, no less.

Randy Johnson is still terrible, though.

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