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Friday, August 29, 2008

Philadelphia Phillies (73-61) @ Chicago Cubs (84-50), Friday, August 29, 2008, 2:20pm

PHI: Joe Blanton (27, RHP, 6-12, 4.75)
CHC: Rich Harden (26, RHP, 9-2, 2.00)

The Primer Chimp Posted: August 29, 2008 at 09:00 AM | 266 comment(s)
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   1. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 29, 2008 at 11:36 AM (#2921403)
Pedal to the metal.

Reading around the 'net lately and talking to a couple of people, it seems like there are those who aren't going to be impressed with anything the Cubs do during the regular season. To them, it's all a matter of whether they can get past Arizona.
   2. Mayonnaise Savant (DTM) Posted: August 29, 2008 at 11:39 AM (#2921408)
While Webb-Haren-Johnson seems formidable, but the Cubs have a much better offense, and pitching that's not that much worse.
   3. Moses Taylor didn't fall far from the awesome tree Posted: August 29, 2008 at 11:54 AM (#2921438)
Wow, that was some kind of game to be at last night.
   4. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 12:00 PM (#2921450)
I'm getting rusty--Walks beat me to today's Pedal to the Metal.

Wow, that was some kind of game to be at last night.

My hands and throat are still sore as hell from all the clapping and yelling I did, and I could not care less.
   5. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 12:01 PM (#2921451)
Although given the physical toll last night took (yes, Moses, it's tough getting old), it's just as well this is the one day on this homestand I won't be at the yard.
   6. Cabbage Posted: August 29, 2008 at 12:07 PM (#2921460)
Even though I was watching, I missed the grand slam. I stepped away from the TV to keep my wife from putting the cast iron skillet in the dishwasher, and BLAMMO.
   7. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 12:11 PM (#2921464)
I stepped away from the TV to keep my wife from putting the cast iron skillet in the dishwasher, and BLAMMO.

Wow--you're getting your initiation into the perils of marriage early on.
   8. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 29, 2008 at 12:14 PM (#2921471)
A win this afternoon also matches their win total from last season.
   9. Cabbage Posted: August 29, 2008 at 12:19 PM (#2921481)
Wow--you're getting your initiation into the perils of marriage early on.

Eh, Cubs won and the wife was doing the dishes. I can't complain.
   10. Weeks T. Olive Posted: August 29, 2008 at 12:23 PM (#2921491)
While Webb-Haren-Johnson seems formidable, but the Cubs have a much better offense, and pitching that's not that much worse.

I have to admit that I'm rooting for the Dodgers in the west (in vain, apparently), because I think the Diamondbacks are the toughest matchup for the Cubs among the four potential playoff matchups (LA, AZ, Philly, NY).
   11. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 12:42 PM (#2921526)
I realize the D'Backs have a good front three in their rotation (and that the Cubs have never beaten the Big Eunuch), but I guess I can't get THAT worked up about facing a team that's struggled to get its head over .500 in that weakass division.
   12. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 12:45 PM (#2921536)
the wife was doing the dishes

Well, not to your satisfaction, apparently!
   13. Weeks T. Olive Posted: August 29, 2008 at 01:05 PM (#2921564)
I realize the D'Backs have a good front three in their rotation (and that the Cubs have never beaten the Big Eunuch)

That, and the Cubs typically struggle in AZ.

Also, they now have Adam Dunn, Cub killer. I could totally see him unloading for like 4 HR in the NLDS.
   14. Weeks T. Olive Posted: August 29, 2008 at 01:09 PM (#2921573)
I wouldn't say I'm too worked up about it, though. I think the Cubs are the best team in the NL and should have odds over any team they face in the playoffs. I just see AZ as the biggest first round threat because they match up well with the Cubs, so I'd prefer the Dodgers.
   15. A Surfeit of Peaches Graham (SdeB) Posted: August 29, 2008 at 01:20 PM (#2921591)
One thing I like about this team is that they got to 80 wins and didn't let up, they just kept pouring out the wins. They have only one 4-game losing streak, and only two 3-game losing streaks. That's very un-Cublike.
   16. Sam M. Posted: August 29, 2008 at 01:28 PM (#2921606)
Well, this is a fine mess you've gotten me into, Cubs. I promised some of my students that if the Cubs took care of the Phillies this weekend, I would wear a Cubs' cap to class next week. Now that you guys have beaten them in the game Hamels started, one of them has already delivered the cap . . . with a smirk on his face I couldn't wipe off if I'd assigned 500 pages of hyper-technical ERISA regulations to read by Monday.

Still. If your Cubbies take care of business this weekend, I will proudly wear the red "C" to class next Wednesday (no class Monday because of Labor Day). I'm sure there will be cellphones galore snapping pictures, some of which will make it onto some damned Facebook page . . . . But it'll be worth it. Go Cubs.
   17. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: August 29, 2008 at 01:29 PM (#2921608)
Beating Hamels on a good night is a huge W.

Hopefully the Cubs can take advantage of a more favorable pitching matchup this evening.
   18. Moses Taylor didn't fall far from the awesome tree Posted: August 29, 2008 at 01:29 PM (#2921609)
Although given the physical toll last night took (yes, Moses, it's tough getting old), it's just as well this is the one day on this homestand I won't be at the yard.

No old jokes here, I agree. Last night was a rough game, and I was in the bleachers. When that grand slam was hit, it was amazing how many drinks went flying into the air and how many people were just jumping around hugging and high fiving each other. I turned down tickets to Sunday's game in the bleachers, sitting out there for several hours in the sun is absolutely draining.

Blanton is a guy the Cubs should hit hard.

I can't help but by worried for a match up against Arizona, but that's too far away to worry about.
   19. Moses Taylor didn't fall far from the awesome tree Posted: August 29, 2008 at 01:30 PM (#2921610)
Beating Hamels on a good night is a huge W.

Definitely, plus the rare Dempster bad start.
   20. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: August 29, 2008 at 01:30 PM (#2921611)
Go Cubs.

Unsurprisingly, the Mets fans have no hard feelings over 1969...
   21. VoodooR Posted: August 29, 2008 at 01:41 PM (#2921620)
We need to be worried about WHOEVER we play in the Division Series. It's maddening to think about winning 100-105 games and then going out in four games in the Division Series and it can happen so easily. We Cubs fans have seen three playoff teams since Divisional play started, and each of those teams were, well, not that good. So it was a no-lose situation. Any wins the Cubs got were gravy (at least until they were a few outs from the WS). But this year, we carry the burden of real expectations. The burden that comes with being the best team in baseball. The Cubs simply must win the pennant.
   22. Sam M. Posted: August 29, 2008 at 01:45 PM (#2921625)
Unsurprisingly, the Mets fans have no hard feelings over 1969...

Harrumph. Repaid, with interest, in 1984 and 1989, when the Mets lost NL East division races to the Cubs that no one seems to talk about. It's not the Mets' fault the Cubs blew the NLCS both of those years (especially '84).

I repeat: all past resentments aside . . . Go Cubs.
   23. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 01:55 PM (#2921637)
Repaid, with interest, in 1984 and 1989, when the Mets lost NL East division races to the Cubs that no one seems to talk about.

Sorry--not comparable. The Cubs were the better team both those years, and neither of those Met teams had anything like the lead the '69 Cubs had.
   24. Weeks T. Olive Posted: August 29, 2008 at 02:04 PM (#2921645)
Sorry--not comparable. The Cubs were the better team both those years, and neither of those Met teams had anything like the lead the '69 Cubs had.

I swear to God I'm going to pistol whip the next guy who says "1969".
   25. A Surfeit of Peaches Graham (SdeB) Posted: August 29, 2008 at 02:17 PM (#2921660)
   26. A Surfeit of Peaches Graham (SdeB) Posted: August 29, 2008 at 02:17 PM (#2921661)
[pistol whips Weeks]
   27. Weeks T. Olive Posted: August 29, 2008 at 02:25 PM (#2921671)
I've been hoisted by my own petard!
   28. A Surfeit of Peaches Graham (SdeB) Posted: August 29, 2008 at 02:31 PM (#2921680)
Alright, no one is going to pistol whip anyone until I blow this whistle. Even, and I want to make this perfectly clear, even if they do say "1969".
   29. Weeks T. Olive Posted: August 29, 2008 at 02:31 PM (#2921681)
Not a great beginning command-wise for Harden.
   30. VoodooR Posted: August 29, 2008 at 02:34 PM (#2921687)
This year's team is MUCH better than the 1969 squad.
   31. Cabbage Posted: August 29, 2008 at 02:38 PM (#2921699)
"You cut out the Christmas bonus? Man, that's low. If I had a rubber hose, I'd..."
   32. Weeks T. Olive Posted: August 29, 2008 at 02:38 PM (#2921701)
You really have to work hard to walk Soriano.
   33. Sam M. Posted: August 29, 2008 at 02:41 PM (#2921703)
Sorry--not comparable. The Cubs were the better team both those years, and neither of those Met teams had anything like the lead the '69 Cubs had.

Bull. 1989:

Cubs run differential: +79
Mets run differential: +88

The Cubs beat their Pythag that year by three games, while the Mets underperformed by four. The difference in the standings? Six games. Those were equal teams, basically, and the Mets gave it away.

And regardless, the point remains that if the Cubs had won the 1984 NLCS the way they should have, Cubs fans would be no more bitter towards the Mets over the year that must not be named than Red Sox fans are over 1986. Why? Because they've had the two titles to help them get over it. Like I said, it's not our fault the Cubs blew it against an inferior Padres team in that NLCS.
   34. Cabbage Posted: August 29, 2008 at 02:43 PM (#2921706)
Like I said, it's not our fault the Cubs blew it against an inferior Padres team in that NLCS.

Agreed. Even Mets fans aren't Nazi Child Molesters.
   35. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 29, 2008 at 02:44 PM (#2921707)
He's been walking a lot more lately, though. I like how Lou didn't give Lee the chance to ground into a DP.

No old jokes here, I agree. Last night was a rough game, and I was in the bleachers. When that grand slam was hit, it was amazing how many drinks went flying into the air and how many people were just jumping around hugging and high fiving each other. I turned down tickets to Sunday's game in the bleachers, sitting out there for several hours in the sun is absolutely draining.


Watching the replay, the visual of the crowd's frantic movements after the slam reminded me of the crowds at Wrigley during the 2003 NLCS.
   36. Cabbage Posted: August 29, 2008 at 02:51 PM (#2921715)
Harden is throwing a ton of pitches.
   37. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: August 29, 2008 at 02:51 PM (#2921716)
Go siddown, you fat tub o' ####.
   38. A Surfeit of Peaches Graham (SdeB) Posted: August 29, 2008 at 02:52 PM (#2921720)
No amount of World Serieses will abate my dislike of the Mets.
   39. Evan Posted: August 29, 2008 at 02:54 PM (#2921722)
Anyone watching this able to comment on what's wrong with Harden?
   40. Moses Taylor didn't fall far from the awesome tree Posted: August 29, 2008 at 02:56 PM (#2921724)
Harden's velocity is really down today and his location is off. He's sitting at 89-91 for his FB (he's gotten 1 or 2 up to 93). But he's also just missing his spots. Lots of pitches early.

That AB to Victorino was good Harden and easily the best AB so far, but all 3 FBs were 91.
   41. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 29, 2008 at 02:58 PM (#2921729)
Harden's velocity is really down today and his location is off. He's sitting at 89-91 for his FB (he's gotten 1 or 2 up to 93). But he's also just missing his spots. Lots of pitches early.

That AB to Victorino was good Harden and easily the best AB so far, but all 3 FBs were 91.


Man, all the more incentive for the Cubs to lock up the Central as early as possible.
   42. Sam M. Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:01 PM (#2921732)
No amount of World Serieses will abate my dislike of the Mets.

Would it help at all if we beat the heck out of the Brewers early next week?
   43. Weeks T. Olive Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:07 PM (#2921740)
Am I the only Cub fan that doesn't dislike the current incarnation of the Mets?

I really like Wright and Johan, I'm entertained by Reyes, and I'm neutral on most of the rest of them, except Wagner (and Alou, of course, but he's on the DL).

I like them more than the current Phillies, that's for sure.
   44. Evan Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:09 PM (#2921741)
Living in new york, I hate the Mets, but listening to all my coworkers talk about how much they hate the current team makes me feel a lot better.
   45. Evan Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:09 PM (#2921742)
Nice to see Harden settling down a bit, too.
   46. Sweet Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:11 PM (#2921745)
Haven't seen it talked about in the Chatters (though I may have missed it), but I feel like The Hoff's season down in Iowa deserves some recognition:

69 G, 285 AB, 62 R, 104 H, 34 2B, 1 3B, 25 HR, 99 RBI, 17 BB, 45 SO, .365/.396/.754/1.150

For fun, project that out to a full season:

162 G, 669 AB, 146 R, 244 H, 80 2B (!), 2 3B, 59 HR, 232 RBI (!!), 40 BB, 106 SO

He might win -- and deserve -- the AAA MVP despite playing well less than half a season.

***

Also, I'll be very, very excited to see Angel Guzman get called up (again) in September. Hopefully umpteenth time's the charm.
   47. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:13 PM (#2921747)
The Cubs beat their Pythag that year by three games, while the Mets underperformed by four. The difference in the standings? Six games. Those were equal teams, basically, and the Mets gave it away.

The Mets weren't even in the top two for most of that season. They needed a late push to get past the Cardinals.
   48. Evan Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:13 PM (#2921748)
Is there any way Hoff isn't the DH, assuming Soto's catching that day?
   49. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:14 PM (#2921752)
Like I said, it's not our fault the Cubs blew it against an inferior Padres team in that NLCS.

What the hell are you talking about? Nobody's suggested anything of the sort.
   50. Evan Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:15 PM (#2921757)
I blame Chris Truby.
   51. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:17 PM (#2921759)
Am I the only Cub fan that doesn't dislike the current incarnation of the Mets?

Honestly, I haven't really given a shite about the Mets since the realignment, except when they're playing the Cubs or a team the Cubs need to have beaten.
   52. Sam M. Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:19 PM (#2921761)
Like I said, it's not our fault the Cubs blew it against an inferior Padres team in that NLCS.

What the hell are you talking about? Nobody's suggested anything of the sort.


I'm saying that 1984 SHOULD have been your "get-even " for 1969. You would have beaten the Mets after a division race that had been close most of the season, and then made the World Series after destroying the Padres. But no . . . your guys blew it, so there's still all this bitterness over a 40 year old wound. Blame the damn Padres, that's what I'm saying. Or the '84 Cubs.
   53. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:19 PM (#2921762)
Harden appears to have zero command today. He'll be lucky to get through 5 at this rate.
   54. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:21 PM (#2921766)
But no . . . your guys blew it, so there's still all this bitterness over a 40 year old wound. Blame the damn Padres, that's what I'm saying.

See post 51--I've long since stopped giving a damn about the Mets, though I could always change my tune if the right buttons are pushed.

I also couldn't really give a damn about the 1969 Cubs, and think anyone who considers them relevant to what this year's Cubs are doing to be a fool.
   55. A Surfeit of Peaches Graham (SdeB) Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:21 PM (#2921767)
I still consider the Mets to be the Cubs biggest rival, much more than the Cardinals or the Brewers, whom I still think of as an AL team.
   56. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:22 PM (#2921769)
I still consider the Mets to be the Cubs biggest rival, much more than the Cardinals or the Brewers, whom I still think of as an AL team.

I can't understand this at all, particularly with regard to the Cardinals.
   57. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:22 PM (#2921770)
Geez, I didn't mean to start a 1969 flamewar [braces self for pistol whipping]

I certainly don't have hard feelings over it. My mother was 12 years old at the time.
   58. Neil M Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:22 PM (#2921771)
Also, I'll be very, very excited to see Angel Guzman get called up (again) in September.

<from out of the shadows> I'm with you 100%. He's got a place in my heart (in a manly sort of way - honest!) <end transmission>
   59. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:23 PM (#2921773)
Besides--it's not as if I didn't nurse against the Padres for '84 for a long time, too. Plenty of hatred in my heart to go around for multiple teams.
   60. Weeks T. Olive Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:23 PM (#2921775)
Guys, we're losing track of what's important here - Sam M. wants to root for the Cubs. Welcome aboard, Sam!
   61. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:24 PM (#2921776)
"nurse a GRUDGE," that should read...
   62. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:25 PM (#2921779)
Is Guzman really getting called up? Unless I'm reading this wrong, he's only thrown 15 innings this season in the minors.
   63. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:25 PM (#2921780)
Guys, we're losing track of what's important here - Sam M. wants to root for the Cubs.

Sure--not only does their beating the Phils help the Mets, but the Mets will benefit from the Cubs having nothing to play for that last week of the season.
   64. Sam M. Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:25 PM (#2921781)
See post 51--I've long since stopped giving a damn about the Mets. . .

Well, yeah. I'm with you. But as you can see from some of the above posts, there are Cubs' fans who continue to hate the Mets, pretty much as a treasured legacy handed down father to son.

And I have to admit, even though they've long since left our division, I still don't think much of the Cardinals. The 2006 NLCS didn't help much with that . . . .
   65. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:26 PM (#2921782)
But as you can see from some of the above posts, there are Cubs' fans who continue to hate the Mets, pretty much as a treasured legacy handed down father to son.

Understood, but it doesn't really apply to me; I wasn't yet born in 1969, and my dad didn't become a Cub fan until I did.
   66. Moses Taylor didn't fall far from the awesome tree Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:27 PM (#2921783)
Pops, yes. The Hoff, Pie, Koyie Hill, Guzman, Weurtz and Hart.
   67. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:27 PM (#2921786)
I still don't think much of the Cardinals.

Something we all can agree on.
   68. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:28 PM (#2921787)
Hit this fat ####.
   69. VoodooR Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:28 PM (#2921789)
so there's still all this bitterness over a 40 year old wound.

I don't think there really is that much bitterness about that. At least around here, where almost all of the Cubs fans were born after '69. I think the "bitterness" comes from having people bring up 1969 so often. The Cubs were much closer in '84 and '03. '69 was all about the "Miracle Mets" and because of the historical significance of their rags-to-riches run it's remembered more vividly than other "collapses". As everyone knows, the Cubs did fall off a cliff that year, but even if they had played great baseball in the last two months, they wouldn't have been able to overcome the insane streak the Mets were on late that summer.
   70. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:28 PM (#2921790)
That pitch was all kinds of low.
   71. Sweet Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:29 PM (#2921791)
Is Guzman really getting called up? Unless I'm reading this wrong, he's only thrown 15 innings this season in the minors.

You're reading it right, but Carrie Muskrat at cubs.com has been reporting his call-up for a week or so now. Apparently his velocity's good, command's good, all ligatures are sound (for now), etc.
   72. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:29 PM (#2921793)
82 pitches in 4 innings for Harden. Bleh. The offense needs to get in gear, since the pen's going to have a long day. Hope Lilly's up for a long start tomorrow.
   73. VoodooR Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:29 PM (#2921794)
"I still consider the Mets to be the Cubs biggest rival, much more than the Cardinals or the Brewers, whom I still think of as an AL team."

I can't understand this at all, particularly with regard to the Cardinals.


Me either. I don't consider the Mets a rival any more than I consider the Marlins one...
   74. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:30 PM (#2921796)
Pops, yes. The Hoff, Pie, Koyie Hill, Guzman, Weurtz and Hart.

Oh, they've already announced the names, eh?

I assume Hoff and Pie are in contention for the postseason roster but none of those pitchers have a great chance.
   75. A Surfeit of Peaches Graham (SdeB) Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:30 PM (#2921797)

I can't understand this at all, particularly with regard to the Cardinals.


Well, the Cardinals are in St. Louis. I can't really hold a grudge against St. Louis. The fans are fairly good-natured. My brother lived in St. Louis. I went to school at the University of Missouri. Mind you, I hate the Cardinals, but not with a white-hot passion.

New York, on the other hand? I hate the Giants. I hate the Jets. I hate the Yankees. I hate the Knicks. The Mets are just the cherry on top of the hate sundae.
   76. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:31 PM (#2921802)
I don't consider the Mets a rival any more than I consider the Marlins one...

At this moment in time, I hate the Marlins far, far more than I hate the Mets.
   77. SouthSideRyan(CASEY'S GONE!!) Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:32 PM (#2921805)
Going to school in Champaign really intensified my hatred for the Cardinals.

With regards to postseason roster, Gooz is gonna fight Howry for that last spot.
   78. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:32 PM (#2921806)
Well, I find St. Louis a muggy, unsophisticated, uninteresting mid-size city with a high crime rate and an inferiority complex, while NYC's one of my favorite places in the world, so maybe that's part of it.
   79. Neil M Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:33 PM (#2921807)
<i.Is Guzman really getting called up?</i>

According to the Cubs site and the popular media (sorry, no links) yes.

He threw quite a few innings in EST before assignment. Arizona Phil at BCB has been documenting his progress. It's been encouraging.
   80. SouthSideRyan(CASEY'S GONE!!) Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:33 PM (#2921809)
I hate both cities.
   81. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:33 PM (#2921811)
With regards to postseason roster, Gooz is gonna fight Howry for that last spot.

You don't think Wuertz has the inside track amongst the callups?
   82. Weeks T. Olive Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:33 PM (#2921812)
Pops, yes. The Hoff, Pie, Koyie Hill, Guzman, Weurtz and Hart.

Surprised not to see Fuld on the list.

The fans are fairly good-natured.

This has to be a joke.
   83. Moses Taylor didn't fall far from the awesome tree Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:34 PM (#2921813)
I assume Hoff and Pie are in contention for the postseason roster but none of those pitchers have a great chance.

I'd have to think Lou would at least consider one of them if they pitch well and Howry continues to suck. But I agree that either Hoff or Pie will get Marquis's postseason spot.
   84. Weeks T. Olive Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:34 PM (#2921814)
You don't think Wuertz has the inside track amongst the callups?

Lou hates Wuertz, for some reason.
   85. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:34 PM (#2921815)
Hey, we got a hit that inning. We're wearing him down.
   86. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:35 PM (#2921816)
Koyie Hill's still around?

Pie strikes me as the kind of guy who'd get on the postseason roster, if for nothing more than to have some speed on the bench for pinch running duties.
   87. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:35 PM (#2921819)
But I agree that either Hoff or Pie will get Marquis's postseason spot.

I'd have to think Hoff has the inside track, given how strong the TOFU/SYTH combo's been, but what do I know.
   88. Weeks T. Olive Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:36 PM (#2921820)
Going to school in Champaign really intensified my hatred for the Cardinals.

Agreed.
   89. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:36 PM (#2921822)
Pie strikes me as the kind of guy who'd get on the postseason roster, if for nothing more than to have some speed on the bench for pinch running duties.

The Cubs are only carrying 4 outfielders on the team right now.

Hoffpauir might get screwed over by Ward's presence.
   90. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:37 PM (#2921824)
I hate both cities.

Yeah? I think New York's a blast, and that New Yorkers' friendliness is vastly underrated.
   91. Sam M. Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:37 PM (#2921827)
I certainly don't have hard feelings over it. My mother was 12 years old at the time.

I wasn't yet born in 1969, and my dad didn't become a Cub fan until I did.


OK, this WAS a friendly conversation.

Until now.

God, do I feel old . . . .
   92. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:38 PM (#2921828)
I harbor an intense hatred of the Cardinals without having gone to Champaign, which illustrates just how much of a bitter f*** I am.
   93. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:38 PM (#2921831)
OK, this WAS a friendly conversation.

Don't blame us for your age--blame your mom.
   94. retro-shiite Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:39 PM (#2921835)
If it's any consolation, Sam, I wasn't born MUCH after '69. As is common knowledge, and as Moses regularly reminds us, I'm older than most of the Cub chatter regulars.
   95. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:40 PM (#2921836)
Is the thinking that they'd go 14/11 for the postseason roster? I'd really like to see only ten pitchers.
   96. Weeks T. Olive Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:41 PM (#2921838)
Is the thinking that they'd go 14/11 for the postseason roster? I'd really like to see only ten pitchers.

So would I, with all the offdays.
   97. Moses Taylor didn't fall far from the awesome tree Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:41 PM (#2921839)
I don't know if I'd call it "thinking," GMSoRP. It's pretty much SOP to have a 14/11 roster in the postseason, just as almost everyone is 13/12 during the regular season now.
   98. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:41 PM (#2921841)
Is the thinking that they'd go 14/11 for the postseason roster? I'd really like to see only ten pitchers.

That is my assumption but it has no concrete basis.
   99. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:42 PM (#2921842)
Oh, for the love of Christ.
   100. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 29, 2008 at 03:42 PM (#2921843)
Well, son of a #####. So close to getting out of it.
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