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Friday, September 05, 2008

Philadelphia Phillies (76-64) @ New York Mets (79-61), Friday, September 5, 2008, 7:10pm

PHI: Brett Myers (27, RHP, 8-10, 4.40)
NYM: Mike Pelfrey (24, RHP, 13-8, 3.66)

The Primer Chimp Posted: September 05, 2008 at 09:00 AM | 147 comment(s)
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1. Bob Koo Posted: September 05, 2008 at 03:09 PM (#2930164)

The Mets are 11-0 in Pelfrey's last 3 non-Marlins starts.

2. Bob Koo Posted: September 05, 2008 at 03:10 PM (#2930166)

Obviously, I meant his last *11 non-Marlins starts.*

3. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: September 05, 2008 at 03:15 PM (#2930181)

Let's do this.

4. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: September 05, 2008 at 03:56 PM (#2930252)

How concerned are you guys about Pelfrey's innings increase?

5. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: September 05, 2008 at 04:01 PM (#2930264)

Reyes, ss
Murphy, lf
Wright, 3b
Delgado, 1b
Beltran, cf
Church, rf
Castillo, 2b
Schneider, c
Pelfrey, rhp

And they're skipping Niese. Four-man rotation for the next two weeks, effectively.

6. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: September 05, 2008 at 04:04 PM (#2930272)

And the Phillies just announced the signing of Tad Iguchi. He'll be at Shea tomorrow. Ineligible for the playoffs, of course.

7. Sam M. Posted: September 05, 2008 at 04:24 PM (#2930318)

How concerned are you guys about Pelfrey's innings increase?

Not concerned at all for the regular season.

Tiny bit concerned for the post-season, if the Mets make it.

Somewhat concerned about mid-term and longer-term implications.

I really wish they had any other choice -- any other reasonable choice, that is. But they really don't, and since his overall innings total is just not that outlandish, I can't see seriously compromising the team's chance in the division race based ONLY on the increase in innings. Because that really is the only worrisome indicator. His pitch counts are actually quite reasonable.

Full speed ahead, and cross your fingers. I don't think it amounts to a practice that is unfair to Pelfrey or abusive of his future.

8. Joshemy Posted: September 05, 2008 at 04:44 PM (#2930354)

Let's Go! Mets Go!

9. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: September 05, 2008 at 04:50 PM (#2930369)

Yeah, there's no time to worry about Pelfrey now. He's shown no signs of fatigue and they just gotta roll with it.

10. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:06 PM (#2930468)

I am not particularly worried about Pelfrey's short-term future. But will these innigs have an effect on him next season? Again, there is any nymber of reason Pelfrey could get hurt next year not just the innings but it'd suck pretty hard if he got hurt next year after emerging this year.

11. Sam M. Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:06 PM (#2930469)

Put 'em own early, Mike. Get us off to a good start.

12. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:06 PM (#2930470)

Wow. The game is not on TV here in Syracuse. This sucks.

13. Sam M. Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:10 PM (#2930472)

But will these innigs have an effect on him next season?

I wonder how many total pitches he threw in 2007 v. how many total pitches he's thrown this year to get through those innings. He is so much more efficient this year, or at least he has been since the turn-around. By throwing strikes consistently, he is able to get through innings w/ fewer pitches. To me, if you look at the basic thesis about increased workload (don't increase it too much year-to-year) that Verducci put forward, but express it in total pitches instead of IP, I bet Pelfrey has more room to work with than you'd think looking just at the IP.

14. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:11 PM (#2930473)

I just want to say this before the series started. This team is playing better now than at any other time during the Minaya era.

15. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:11 PM (#2930475)

I'd disagree with that Russlan. When things were clicking in 2006, that team was unstoppable.

16. Sam M. Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:12 PM (#2930477)

Great start, despite the 2-0 count to lead him off. Nice.

17. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:13 PM (#2930478)

This team is playing better now than at any other time during the Minaya era.

How about the 10-game road trip in 2006 where they went 9-1, including a sweep of the Phillies?

18. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:14 PM (#2930480)

Why didn't Reyes block that ball?

####### retard.

19. Sam M. Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:15 PM (#2930481)

Nice throw, butthead.

20. Sam M. Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:16 PM (#2930482)

You know, I know that Schneider has actually played better than I expected him to when Minaya traded for him. But I'm sorry, I just can't warm to him.

And that throw didn't help.

21. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:17 PM (#2930483)

And here comes Myers with his Tom Seaver impression.

22. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:18 PM (#2930485)

Nice AB, #########.

23. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:19 PM (#2930486)

Shouldn't that be an unearned run for Pelfrey?

24. Padraic Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:19 PM (#2930488)

"That's a HR in Citizens Bank Park, and that's why Howard hits so many HR at home." - Gary Cohen

Howard HR (career)
Home: 84
Road: 84

25. Joshemy Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:20 PM (#2930489)

I really love getting the CW11 up here.

Pat Burrell with a Daniel Murphy impression in the outfield.

26. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:20 PM (#2930490)

Disclaimer: Gary Cohen does not represent us.

27. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:21 PM (#2930491)

Burrell isn't exactly graceful.

As much as I love what Murphy is doing, I don't want to get to excited. I remember Diaz's April 2005.

28. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:21 PM (#2930492)

Victor Diaz had no ####### plate discipline. It ain't the same thing.

29. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:22 PM (#2930493)

Howard HR (career)
Home: 84
Road: 84

That doesn't mean he hasn't benefited from his home ballpark. I am not saying he is or isn't but those splits don't mean much.

30. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:24 PM (#2930498)

Diaz walked 15 times in 81 PA that April. Murphy has not shown the ability to hit this well.

31. Joshemy Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:25 PM (#2930499)

Damnit.

32. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:25 PM (#2930500)

And the series begins perfectly!

33. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:27 PM (#2930502)

Diaz walked 15 times in 81 PA that April. Murphy has not shown the ability to hit this well.

Diaz's K/BB ratio is not Murphy's and neither was his approach.

34. Sam M. Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:27 PM (#2930503)

Diaz walked 15 times in 81 PA that April. Murphy has not shown the ability to hit this well.

Russlan, Russlan, Russlan. Will you never learn to trust me???

Daniel Murphy is to Victor Diaz as David Wright is to Jason Phillips.

Trust me.

35. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:27 PM (#2930504)

After pounding the ####### zone, Pelfrey is falling behind every ####### hitter.

STOP IT, YOU GIANT GOOF.

36. CrosbyBird Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:27 PM (#2930505)

He is so much more efficient this year, or at least he has been since the turn-around. By throwing strikes consistently, he is able to get through innings w/ fewer pitches.

No question. In majors and minors combined, Pelfrey faced 690 batters in 2007. In 2008, he's faced 719 prior to the start of this game.

I don't see him as having labored a whole lot more this year than last year. He's averaging 102 pitches per start this year, which doesn't seem too outrageous.

37. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:29 PM (#2930506)

That's better, big Pelf.

38. Padraic Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:30 PM (#2930508)

"Disclaimer: Gary Cohen does not represent us."

Just wanted to vent and was already on the site - nothing personal. Feel free to return to self-loathing.

39. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:30 PM (#2930509)

Did Darling just say Werth does everything he can to put the ball in play?

40. Sam M. Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:32 PM (#2930511)

No question. In majors and minors combined, Pelfrey faced 690 batters in 2007. In 2008, he's faced 719 prior to the start of this game.

That's one excellent indication that the workload issue isn't captured all that well (or at least not completely) by the IP increase. It'd also be interesting to know the average number of pitches per hitter, but I doubt we have that data available for the minor league starts.

Like I said, if we had another good choice, giving Pelfrey a start or two off would be ideal. But we don't, and I'm not overly worried about it.

41. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:32 PM (#2930512)

Yeah, he did. He says lots of goofy things for an Ivy.

42. Sam M. Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:38 PM (#2930520)

Lead-off doubles. Smile.

43. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:40 PM (#2930521)

Stranded lead-off doubles. Psychotic gaze.

44. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:45 PM (#2930531)

Yes, Sam. It is THAT ####### easy to predict.

45. Sam M. Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:45 PM (#2930533)

Stolen strike . . . he better give Pelfrey a WIDE zone, too.

46. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:49 PM (#2930540)

Just put up a four spot, Phillies. I'd like to salvage this Friday night if at all possible.

47. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 07:54 PM (#2930547)

Victorino>>Chavez

48. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:01 PM (#2930555)

Just put up a four spot, Phillies. I'd like to salvage this Friday night if at all possible.

It'd almost be worth it.

49. Sam M. Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:04 PM (#2930561)

A beagle at Shea!!!! That is awesome.

50. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:08 PM (#2930566)

Well, Pelfrey's outperformed my expectations.

Kudos, Pelf. You get the $5 shake for $1 at Jack Rabbit Slim's. On me.

51. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:09 PM (#2930571)

Yes. Swing at the first pitch. How else would Myers complete this game while stranding fifteen ####### runners?

52. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:10 PM (#2930574)

I would pay to see somebody walk on the field and put a few in Myers' kneecaps. I ####### hate this wife beating coward.

53. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:11 PM (#2930575)

If you can't hit it, don't ####### swing!

54. Sam M. Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:12 PM (#2930579)

They had their shots . . . and didn't take them. Now I expect that Pelfrey is going to have to hold it right where it is, and we're going to need a big fly out of the blue. The kind Delgado has been specializing in lately, if I'm not mistaken.

55. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:15 PM (#2930584)

Myers doesn't give up HR's anymore. He's the anti-Pedro. He's got something like a .10 HR/9 over the last 10 starts.

56. Swoboda is freedom Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:19 PM (#2930588)

Yeah, he did. He says lots of goofy things for an Ivy.

Leave my alma mater out of this. He was a baseball player. Though reportedly very smart. Speaks multiple languages.

57. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:21 PM (#2930589)

Slappy having nice AB's.

But what's with the ####### K's? STOP IT!

58. Sam M. Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:21 PM (#2930590)

That ball was inside. This is ridiculous.

59. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:22 PM (#2930593)

Yeah, it was, Sam, but barely. Slappy should be swinging.

60. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:24 PM (#2930597)

Well, at least this latest late-season Mets abortion is moving quickly. Nothing I like more than a good pitchers duel.

61. Sam M. Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:29 PM (#2930608)

See ya, J-Roll. Awesome.

62. Swoboda is freedom Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:30 PM (#2930611)

MVP, MVP, MVP!!!

63. Sam M. Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:30 PM (#2930612)

That 1-2 pitch to Victorino was no more inside than the pitch that K's Castillo. Arrgh.

64. Sam M. Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:31 PM (#2930614)

Smooth Criminal™

65. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:33 PM (#2930617)

Anything hit his way is OUT!

66. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:36 PM (#2930623)

You suck, Reyes. Go #### yourself.

67. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:38 PM (#2930624)

The ump flinched on the 2-2. It was outside.

68. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:39 PM (#2930626)

My, that was a pretty piece of hitting by Murph.

69. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:40 PM (#2930628)

Let's go David. Do something.

70. Sam M. Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:40 PM (#2930630)

Just missed hitting it out. What a nice piece of hitting to go with that pitch the other way.

This kid's approach. Victor Diaz??? Are you kidding me??? If Diaz had hit the way this kid does, he'd have been a superstar.

71. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:41 PM (#2930632)

Murphy is legit. That's all.

72. Raskolnikov Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:42 PM (#2930633)

SO CLOSE!

73. Raskolnikov Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:43 PM (#2930635)

SO CLOSE!

74. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:43 PM (#2930637)

David is a fraud.

75. Raskolnikov Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:43 PM (#2930638)

SO CLOSE!

76. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:44 PM (#2930639)

####### Wright.

77. Sam M. Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:44 PM (#2930640)

David really needs to break out of this. Relaxing at the plate is usually the way he does so, and starting to go the other way consistently.

78. Raskolnikov Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:44 PM (#2930644)

Sorry for the lag.

79. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:46 PM (#2930649)

I'm sorry, but this ####### game is a horrible omen for the rest of the series.

80. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:47 PM (#2930653)

Wow. Terrible.

81. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:50 PM (#2930657)

I ####### hate this game with a passion.

82. will Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:53 PM (#2930664)

Charlie Manuel has said that he'd use Lidge for more then three out saves, in September. I wonder if he brings him in tonight, in the 8th.

83. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:54 PM (#2930666)

Well, this is definitely Pelfrey's last inning.

84. haplo53 Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:56 PM (#2930673)

I'm sorry, but this ####### game is a horrible omen for the rest of the series.

Whatever happens, the Mets cannot get swept... well, they can, I guess, but it would be really really really really bad for them.

85. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:57 PM (#2930676)

BIG PELF.

86. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:57 PM (#2930678)

"Whatever happens, the Mets cannot get swept"

Agreed. I could give a rat's ass if the Mets lost the series.

87. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:58 PM (#2930681)

That's game.

88. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:59 PM (#2930682)

Another horrible omen. Just out of the reach.

89. will Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:59 PM (#2930684)

Excellent ! Dobbs....just like last year !

90. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:59 PM (#2930686)

NO!

91. Sam M. Posted: September 05, 2008 at 08:59 PM (#2930687)

Boy, Darling called that, didn't he? Damn him.

92. Sam M. Posted: September 05, 2008 at 09:00 PM (#2930689)

Church has no ups. Unfortunately.

93. haplo53 Posted: September 05, 2008 at 09:01 PM (#2930691)

The image of Church slamming his glove on his leg might end up being the one we all think of if the Mets don't win this division.

94. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 09:01 PM (#2930692)

Pedro going tomorrow is a loss. Our season on the line against Hamels with a Santana due for a poor performance?

The Mets are ######.

95. Chris Dial Posted: September 05, 2008 at 09:02 PM (#2930693)

I said that was going to happen too. We're out at a bar/restaurant for Zumba night.

Fortunately, free WiFi.

96. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 09:03 PM (#2930694)

The Next Karate Kid sucked.

97. Chris Dial Posted: September 05, 2008 at 09:03 PM (#2930696)

The Phils pen has lost it. If Myers comes out, we'll win.

98. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 09:03 PM (#2930698)

And here go the Mets meekly into the night.

Why wouldn't you just use Parnell in a game like this and save Stokes? Its ####### over.

99. Anthropophagus Mets Posted: September 05, 2008 at 09:06 PM (#2930701)

The Mets were never going to win this game. What ####### ever.

100. Chris Dial Posted: September 05, 2008 at 09:06 PM (#2930704)

Not only the hood, but he has it on backwards.

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