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Saturday, October 04, 2008

Philadelphia Phillies (92-70) @ Milwaukee Brewers (90-72), Saturday, October 4, 2008, 6:37pm

PHI: Jamie Moyer (45, LHP, 16-7, 3.71)
MIL: David Bush (28, RHP, 9-10, 4.18)

The Primer Chimp Posted: October 04, 2008 at 09:00 AM | 269 comment(s)
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1. Lassus Posted: October 04, 2008 at 05:33 PM (#2967936)

OK BREWERS you're not going to make me look like an idiot at least tonight, I hope. I have you going on to at least the next round. You AND the Cubs. My AL picks are faring better.

2. Lassus Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:31 PM (#2967964)

No chatterers? Cold.

3. Ivan Grushenko of HK in Tokyo Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:38 PM (#2967968)

Brrr..

4. A Surfeit of Peaches Graham (SdeB) Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:39 PM (#2967971)

Brewers have to win this one. I want to be able to root for someone in the NLCS.

5. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:39 PM (#2967972)

I'm indifferent as to who I want to win this series. But, I do hope the Brewers win tonight, because that would just mean more baseball.

AO

6. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:40 PM (#2967973)

Werth looked silly swinging at that 0-1 curveball.

AO

7. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:40 PM (#2967974)

Lets go Brewers!

/midwestern solidarity

8. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:41 PM (#2967976)

He looked silly again. Great at bat, Jason!

AO

9. JJ1986 Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:41 PM (#2967977)

Werth looked silly swinging at that 0-1 curveball.

and much sillier swinging at the 1-2.

10. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:41 PM (#2967980)

As soon as Illinois puts the dagger into Michigan I'll be joining the Chatter in full.

11. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:42 PM (#2967981)

The Phillies look to be flailing at anything that's thrown up there. If they don't settle down, this bodes well for the beermakers.

AO

12. Ivan Grushenko of HK in Tokyo Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:43 PM (#2967982)

I find myself rooting for the Phillies. I wasn't expecting that.

13. Lassus Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:44 PM (#2967983)

Do we have a new

Best Regards,

John

Among us?

Nice inning by Bush.

14. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:44 PM (#2967984)

Is it just me, or does the "Snake Eyes" guy in the Holiday Inn commercial remind anybody else of Jon Lovitz?

AO

15. Lassus Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:45 PM (#2967985)

My plan was originally to have the Phillies get swept, but if the Brewers feel losing the series after they take a 2-0 lead will be more humiliating for them, I'll accept that.

16. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:45 PM (#2967986)

Lassus,

I've always signed my posts. Now that I look at it, it does seem like overkill. I think once per page should be sufficient.

Thanks!

17. JJ1986 Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:46 PM (#2967987)

Who's pitching tomorrow for Philly? Kendrick? Happ? or do they bring Hamels back?

18. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:46 PM (#2967988)

Odds of Hall grounding into a 6-4-3?

19. JJ1986 Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:46 PM (#2967989)

Who's pitching tomorrow for Philly? Kendrick? Happ? or do they bring Hamels back?

If there is a tomorrow, of course.

20. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:47 PM (#2967990)

Who's pitching tomorrow for Philly? Kendrick? Happ? or do they bring Hamels back?

If it's Kendrick, the Brewers have a great chance of forcing game 5.

21. Lassus Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:47 PM (#2967991)

It isn't as bad as John's. ;-)

I feel guilty having such venom for the Phillies. But have it I do.

22. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:49 PM (#2967992)

I feel guilty having such venom for the Phillies. But have it I do.

There's nothing wrong with that. I have that same venom for the Cubs. But, since I'm a Cardinals fan, that's expected I guess.

23. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:50 PM (#2967993)

11-point 4th quarter lead + touchdown + recovered fumble on the ensuing kickoff + touchdown = dagger delivered. Wow, Michigan is sloppy and BAD.

The Cubs should be watching this and taking notes on the Brewers' patient hitting approach.

24. Lassus Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:50 PM (#2967994)

Which announcer just said that each ump had his own strike zone, and which replied that questec had changed that? Can anyone tell me? I'm at work and only able to get some audio at a time.

25. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:50 PM (#2967995)

Since the Dodgers were my second-choice NL team to be rooting for, I want the Brewers to come back and take this series. There's virtually no chance of it happening though, with Suppan starting tomorrow's game even it if occurs.

26. Ivan Grushenko of HK in Tokyo Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:51 PM (#2967996)

What happened to Hall to make him so bad the last couple of years? Did he have an injury?

27. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:51 PM (#2967997)

The play-by-play guy is Brian Anderson, who is the Brewers' regular TV broadcaster, and the analyst is Joe Simpson, longtime Braves broadcaster and former outfielder for the Dodgers and Mariners.

28. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:51 PM (#2967998)

I'm not sure who it was, Lassus. I have the sound up, but I'm not paying any attention to the broadcast.

And Hall walks.

29. JJ1986 Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:52 PM (#2967999)

Good start.

30. JJ1986 Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:53 PM (#2968000)

The play-by-play guy is Brian Anderson, who is the Brewers' regular TV broadcaster, and the analyst is Joe Simpson, longtime Braves broadcaster and former outfielder for the Dodgers and Mariners.

John Smoltz is there too. He's the one talking about signs right now.

31. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:53 PM (#2968001)

What happened to Hall to make him so bad the last couple of years? Did he have an injury?

He's probably trying to hard to duplicate his 2006. Other than that, I've got nothing.

32. Lassus Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:54 PM (#2968002)

The play-by-play guy is Brian Anderson, who is the Brewers' regular TV broadcaster, and the analyst is Joe Simpson, longtime Braves broadcaster and former outfielder for the Dodgers and Mariners.

grin - Well, thanks Vaux, but this doesn't tell me who said what. And Smoltz is up there as well, isn't he?

33. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:55 PM (#2968003)

What are the odds of the Phillies scoring in just one inning and winning again?

34. Lassus Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:56 PM (#2968004)

I really want to see Fielder hit a HR here.

35. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:57 PM (#2968005)

Right, I didn't realize that. So I'm not sure who said what. I think it was Anderson who made the comment about each ump having his own strike zone, but it might have been Smoltz., and I heard it without noticing that it wasn't said by Anderson.

36. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:58 PM (#2968006)

Big out there.

37. Lassus Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:00 PM (#2968008)

Well, it could have been worse.

38. JJ1986 Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:00 PM (#2968009)

Fielder's a strong man. He got that off the end of the bat and that went far. I thought it might go out from the crowd reaction.

39. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:00 PM (#2968010)

Looking at Fielder at the plate, it makes me wonder if building the Large Hadron Collider was really necessary. Couldn't physicists just have Fielder and Sabbathia run at each other at a full sprint from 50 yards away and gather the same data?

And with that, the Brewers are on the board with a sac fly.

40. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:02 PM (#2968011)

2-0 on the Hardy base hit.

41. Dan Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:02 PM (#2968012)

That was a huge hit to get that second run.

42. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:03 PM (#2968013)

Funny, AO. That was a big, big hit by Hardy.

43. Lassus Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:03 PM (#2968014)

HOLY CRAP A HIT

44. salvomania Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:04 PM (#2968015)

Wow, does Corey hart look bad at the plate.

45. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:07 PM (#2968016)

What are the odds of the Phillies scoring in just one inning and winning again?

0.50 [chance of winning] * (9 [combinations where the Phillies score in only one inning]/46 [total possible combinations of Phillies scoring by inning in a 9-inning game) = .097. So slightly less than 10 percent.

Oh, that was a rhetorical question, wasn't it? :)

46. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:07 PM (#2968017)

Is that the first ball that Howard hit the other way this year?

47. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:09 PM (#2968020)

0.50 [chance of winning] * (9 [combinations where the Phillies score in only one inning]/46 [total possible combinations of Phillies scoring by inning in a 9-inning game) = .097. So slightly less than 10 percent.

Oh, that was a rhetorical question, wasn't it? :)

LOL. Rhetorical, yes. But the fact that it could actually be calculated made me laugh. ;)

48. Lassus Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:13 PM (#2968024)

Ryan Braun actually uses two hands to catch the cans of corn. Good show.

49. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:13 PM (#2968025)

The entire Brewers' starting squad has brought their "A" game through the first 1 1/2.

50. Lassus Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:14 PM (#2968026)

This commercial makes me want to punch that guy and steal his umbrella.

51. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:14 PM (#2968027)

I haven't seen any FrankTV commercials since the game started*. Am I still watching TBS?

*I just jinxed it, I know.

52. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:19 PM (#2968029)

I'm finding that my enjoyment of playoff games on TBS is increased by the ability to flip to football games during the commercial breaks. If only I could introduce competent announcers to the equation I'd be very happy.

53. PhillyBooster Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:19 PM (#2968032)

#45:

Doesn't your formula assume that every combination provides the same probability of winning?

For example, isn't the formula identical for scoring in 8 of the 9 innings, but obviously a team that scores in 8 of 9 innings will win more games than a team that scores in only one (because, they will always score at least 8 runs, which is usually enough to win.)

54. JJ1986 Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:20 PM (#2968034)

Brian Anderson seems to think that Feliz is a young player who just came into the league. That's odd, not that an announcer would think that, but that a team's regular announcer would and not some Dick Stockton or Chip Caray type.

55. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:20 PM (#2968035)

I think Utley has a hole in his glove...

56. Lassus Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:20 PM (#2968036)

Pedro Feliz isn't "gonna" be anything. He's 33. He is what he is at this point.

57. salvomania Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:20 PM (#2968037)

Ryan Braun made zero errors in the ouftield this year.

Also, Ryan Howard hit more than half his homers in 2008 to left of dead center. So no, that wasn't the first ball he's hit the other way this year.

58. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:21 PM (#2968038)

I think Mike Cameron makes it 3-0 in this at bat.

59. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:23 PM (#2968041)

Holy cow that site is really cool, salvo. Thanks for linking that.

60. Lassus Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:24 PM (#2968042)

Well, it wasn't Cameron, but Moyer is not going to be long for this game at this point.

61. salvomania Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:27 PM (#2968044)

AO, I only knew about that fact because I read somewhere in the past week about Howard leading the league in opposite-field homers... but I needed to verify that before I posted because I'm old and I often misremember things....hence my visit to hittrackeronline.com.

62. Repoz Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:28 PM (#2968045)

Did Smoltz/Simpson just say that..."while walks are good and all, sometimes you need hits" about Mil. moving Cameron to leadoff in place of Weeks??

OBP

.331-Cameron
.342-Weeks

63. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:28 PM (#2968047)

Is Runge Moyer's brother-in-law or what?

64. JJ1986 Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:29 PM (#2968048)

I haven't seen any FrankTV commercials since the game started*. Am I still watching TBS?

*I just jinxed it, I know.

And there he is.

65. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:29 PM (#2968049)

Heh. I told you I jinxed it!*

*It's a commercial for Dish Network, but Frank is in it.

66. Lassus Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:29 PM (#2968050)

Frak

67. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:31 PM (#2968052)

Uhhhhhhhh, I'm not sure I want to wear a "cologne" that makes women take a big bite out of my ass or tear one of my arms off.

But maybe that's just me...

68. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:32 PM (#2968054)

#53- Yes, I'm certain my formula is flawed because I don't weight the probability of winning for each individual scoring outcome...but I'm an English major who's not facile enough with numbers to create anything better in about 5 minutes. :)

At any rate, once you get below the odds of something occurring being 10%, doesn't it push that event so far into the "highly unlikely" box that the difference among 9.7%, 4.7%, or 1% of the time becomes relatively meaningless in a "one-off" situation?

69. JJ1986 Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:36 PM (#2968055)

A pitch right there was a strike last inning.

70. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:36 PM (#2968056)

I think I want to pick Frank Caliendo in a "dead pool" for the next couple of weeks, just because of the growing possibility of "murdered by deranged baseball fan".

71. Lassus Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:38 PM (#2968058)

Wooohooo nice one, David.

72. Lassus Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:43 PM (#2968063)

Boo, Fielder! He just seems not to be able to get it done.

73. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:43 PM (#2968064)

It's only 2 hitters, but it looks like Moyer is settling down a little bit.

74. Repoz Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:43 PM (#2968065)

Hey Smoltz...Moyer wasn't a full time starter early in is career = less wins.

75. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:44 PM (#2968066)

Or not.

76. JJ1986 Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:44 PM (#2968067)

Even when Corey Hart gets a hit, he still ##### it up.

77. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:44 PM (#2968068)

Hart can't help but #### up, even when he succeeds.

78. Dan Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:45 PM (#2968069)

Wow, great play by Werth.

79. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:45 PM (#2968070)

If Hart isn't looking bad at the plate, then he's looking bad on the basepaths.

80. Lassus Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:45 PM (#2968071)

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU COREY HART

81. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:45 PM (#2968073)

Hardy seems to not be fazed by Wilbur Wood's trickery.

Of course, Mensa Member Corey Hart takes care of that rally.

82. salvomania Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:45 PM (#2968074)

Wow.... again....Corey Hart...

83. Repoz Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:45 PM (#2968075)

"I doubt Corey Hart will be swinging at a first pitch the rest of the series."

Doof.

84. Rafael Bellylard (p8p) Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:47 PM (#2968077)

Is Harveys at the game tonight? And if he is, somebody might want to hire Corey Hart a bodyguard...

85. salvomania Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:48 PM (#2968078)

No replay of the Werth play?

86. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:49 PM (#2968079)

Is Harveys at the game tonight? And if he is, somebody might want to hire Corey Hart a bodyguard...

After that Hart baserunning blunder, Harveys might need a defibrillator.

87. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:53 PM (#2968082)

Hey, if there's only one October, someone tell the baserunners that this isn't March.

88. salvomania Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:53 PM (#2968084)

Pretty generous zone on back-t0-back borderline picthes...

89. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:54 PM (#2968085)

At least Hart can catch the ball!

90. Srul Itza Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:55 PM (#2968086)

Victorino goes yard here.

Maui no ka oi!

91. Lassus Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:56 PM (#2968087)

OK, that was good. Now more runs.

92. I can out-debate Joe Biden; Nieporent said so Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:57 PM (#2968088)

J.J. Hardy making an early case for Player of the Game.

93. Srul Itza Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:58 PM (#2968090)

Needed a little more elevation on that one.

94. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:59 PM (#2968091)

I just read that Bud Selig will throw on the first pitch if there's a Game 4. I'm now rethinking my earlier statement about wanting the Brewers to win.

95. Bad Doctor Posted: October 04, 2008 at 08:01 PM (#2968092)

Why is Philly's pitcher tomorrow TBA? What happened to Cupcakes?

I don't think either Kendrick or Happ is on the postseason roster.

96. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 04, 2008 at 08:02 PM (#2968093)

I might consider running on the field and smothering him with his hairpiece.

97. Rafael Bellylard (p8p) Posted: October 04, 2008 at 08:02 PM (#2968094)

I just read that Bud Selig will throw on the first pitch if there's a Game 4. I'm now rethinking my earlier statement about wanting the Brewers to win.

We can only hope it's windy and that dead muskrat Bud wears on his head slides off.

98. Rafael Bellylard (p8p) Posted: October 04, 2008 at 08:02 PM (#2968095)

I think I owe Greg a cyber-coke.

99. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 04, 2008 at 08:03 PM (#2968096)

Rosters:

Milwaukee
CC Sabathia, Yovani Gallardo, Dave Bush, Jeff Suppan
Salomon Torres, Guillermo Mota, Eric Gagne, Seth McClung, Carlos Villanueva, Manny Parra, Brian Shouse, Mitch Stetter

Jason Kendall, Mike Rivera
Prince Fielder, Brad Nelson
Rickie Weeks, Bill Hall, J.J. Hardy, Ray Durham, Craig Counsell
Ryan Braun, Mike Cameron, Corey Hart, Tony Gwynn

Philadelphia
Cole Hamels Brett Myers Jamie Moyer Joe Blanton
Brad Lidge, Ryan Madson, J.C. Romero, Chad Durbin, Scott Eyre, Clay Condrey, J.A. Happ

Carlos Ruiz, Chris Coste
Ryan Howard, Matt Stairs
Chase Utley, Jimmy Rollins, Pedro Feliz, Eric Bruntlett, Greg Dobbs
Pat Burrell, Shane Victorino, Jayson Werth, Geoff Jenkins, So Taguchi

100. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 04, 2008 at 08:04 PM (#2968097)

Moyer's first 1-2-3 inning.

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