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Sunday, August 06, 2006
Phillies (53-56) at Mets (65-44) 8:05 pm EDT on ESPN
PHI: S. Mathieson (1-2, 5.47)
NYM: J. Maine (1-3, 2.45)
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… Mets insiders suggest third-round pick Joe Smith, a sidearm righthander promoted from Brooklyn to Binghamton at the same time Humber joined the Double-A team, could help the big-league club in September.
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Cliff Floyd has said he expects to play tonight. We'll see.
As glad as I am that Wright is being locked up long term, can someone explain to me why the Mets wouldn't wait until next year to do this?
Why is that the right question, Banta? Of course they could have done that. For all I know, they might not have wanted to wait because they might have had tax reasons for wanting to pay out a signing bonus this year. Maybe they have budget expenses next year (related to the stadium???) that make it advantageous to lay out things this year from an accounting perspective. No clue.
Or maybe they just have a tremendous faith in David Wright and Jose Reyes, and these two deals are a tangible way of expressing that instead of just giving lip service to it. The Mets are saying these two kids are a huge part of the future of the organization. And they are saying to every other prospect in the organization that if they work their asses off, and conduct themselves like pros, and produce, they won't have to necessarily wait until 2012 or 2013 or some other date way the heck down the road to hit the big $$$ reward. Not a bad message to send a certain young man just handed the RF job (among others), I'd say.
It's a great way of doing business, if you have the right young players to do business with. Wright and Reyes, IMHO, are the right young players. Well done, Fred. Well done.
Great news from down in the farm, too:
Fernando-mania reaches the FSL as the Future homered in his first AB.
Pelfrey wins in AAA debut. 5 IP 2 ER 2/5 bb/so
Gomez continues his hot streak with 2 more hits
And the most impressive of them all...Guerra's coming out party: 5 IP 1 ER 1/11 bb/so and he's not out of the game yet. Eight of the eleven strikeouts have been swinging. Felix who?
*swoons*
I'll just guess that with Wright, you're talking about something along the lines of $500,000 next year (Cabrera is making almost that this season), and then something like $6M, $8M, and $11M in arbitration. So you'd be talking $25.5M -- and I think that's pretty reasonable, if not conservative -- in his arb years, and then $79.5M for the following four years. That would be one hell of a gamble on his future, that's for sure; basically, you're agreeing right now to pay him around $20M a year for his first four post-FA years -- maybe a little less, assuming that there's some inflation in arbitration awards between now and then. But somewhere around $19-20M/year for those four years. Yikes.
I have to say, I'd be surprised if it would take quite that much to buy the next eight years of his future. That's a whole lot of security you're giving him, and as you point out, he'd still be hitting free agency with plenty of time to sign another huge deal if it turns out to be a below-market deal. I would think $15M/year for the post-FA years ought to be enough, although you might have to agree to buy only the first three years; he might decide he wants to see where the market is a bit earlier if he's locked in at $15M instead of nearly $20M.
So I wanted to buy him out for about $25.5M for his pre-arb and arb years, and then $15M/year thereafter. The Mets have bought out one pre-arb year, 3 arb years, and two FA years, for $55M. Under my proposal, those years would have cost . . . get this: $55.5M.
Hey, that's not bad. ;-)
No one's watching this game in Philly tonight, and I'll be flipping because E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!
I freely admit that I overestimated what it would take to get the extensions done. But again I noted in the original thread that I was pulling those numbers out of my external anal sphincter and I was assuming a moral hazard (the money is a figment of my imagination and I am not an unbiased bystander) while Omar is assuming the actual risk. Still, I would like to take credit for proposing the proactive initiative of extending these two cornerstones before they got into their arbitration years.
And Sam, I have no doubt about this - Fernando is a treasure. This kid is special. Dare I say what I am about to say? Not yet, but soon.
It was Burrell's ball.
Steve Trachsel is the unquestioned ace of the New York Mets.
Maybe even he got tired hearing about how great he is?
It's only fair. The movie killed a real good book.
Touche.
Please ESPN. Stop. Stop it now.
Note, however, that it's airing on Tuesdays. NBC may be overestimating the ability of the target audience for this show being able to figure this out and tune in on the right night . . . .
Same here.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if he's better than Glavine the rest of the way.
I say it again, there ghosts in the BTF machine.
Maine is one of a troika of guys I picked up off waivers that have really panned out. Nolasco and Anibal are the others. Offsetting my genius are Buchholz and Kim.
Once again - a case of hindsight? Whichever guy turns out to be better is the one we were after.
Pedro
Glavine
El Duque
Maine
Oliver
Bradford
Feliciano
Kool-Aid
Heilman
Wagner
In a five-game series, 10 is plenty. With 15 position players, Omar and Willie can do some real cool things, like adding Fonzie, and someone like IPOR, who could serve strictly as a pinch-runner and defensive replacement.
I will refrain from disciplining him so long as he is civil.
Am I the only one who thinks that latter point is just BS? I know the Mets brass will put huge stock in that, so I just accept it. But if I thought Pelfrey, for example, was a better bet to pitch a good game on August 15th than El Duque, then I'd say he's a better bet to pitch a good game on October 10th, too.
OK, that's an exaggeration. I'd use it as a tie-breaker, and go with the guy who has shown he can handle the pressure. But only if it's very close otherwise. When El Duque was sucking wind, we were hearing about his "postseason pedigree," and it just made me cringe.
I think it's BS too, but you can't argue with aura and mystique.
I wonder if you could make a case to leave off Kool-Aid™ for Pelfrey in the pen. Pelfrey is more likely to give you two innings (or more) if you need them, and that pen could sure use a power arm from the right side. Hell, it could use a power arm other than Wagner, period.
Nope. He did say Maine was better than Patterson when he acquired him from AZ. I'm positive.
Because the bouncer will throw you out of the club?
"I'm always looking at pitching, but also position players."
Nice dodge Omar!
The only way you can make that case is if the Mets kept Pelfrey up on the big club and moved him to the pen. I think it could work well, giving him a month to get used to short relief and develop the mentality. They sent him down everyone's drinking the Kool-Aid, so he's a lock.
Kool-Aid
Trachsel
Pelfrey
Ring
Bannister
Owens/Ring/Joe Smith?
I think it could depend on who they play in the first round. If the other team has got some lefties, maybe Ring makes it. I'm curious to see what Ring does for the rest of the year at the MLB level.
Let's see how he does for the next seven weeks, shall we?
Geez, I'm starting to sound like OFF . . . .
That can't happen. Literally.
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