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Monday, July 03, 2006

PIT (28-55) at NYM (48-33) - 7:10 PM EDT

PIT: Maholm (2-7, 4.97)
NYM: Oliver (3-0, 2.45)

Pedro will miss a start, and is probably on the shelf until after the ASG. He may only make 30-33 starts this sea…oh, they all will. Darren Oliver gets the nod today - and as a pitcher, he can really hit.

Chris Dial Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:54 AM | 113 comment(s)
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1. Joshemy Posted: July 03, 2006 at 10:17 AM (#2085820)

Lefty Kool-Aid!

2. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 03:39 PM (#2086202)

No roster moves as of yet?

3. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 06:03 PM (#2086315)

Maine called up, will start. Soler optioned.

4. Teheran's Uranium Enriched Missiles Posted: July 03, 2006 at 06:16 PM (#2086319)

Mash pittsburg mash
Loot and pillage and lots of runs please.

why is the pittsburgh franchise called the Pirates?

5. Joshemy Posted: July 03, 2006 at 06:45 PM (#2086333)

So, Willie saved Oliver last night so he could start tonight? And then they call up Maine to start instead of Oliver?

####### Mets.

6. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: July 03, 2006 at 07:02 PM (#2086343)

well, this whole situation was kind of a cluster-****, but all in all i'm excited that Maine is starting.

7. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 07:14 PM (#2086350)

Nady caught it, whoa oh!

8. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 07:16 PM (#2086353)

Casey just took Maine to town. An 11-pitch ab resulting in a double.

9. AJM Posted: July 03, 2006 at 07:17 PM (#2086354)

When did Oliver become a righty? And white? ####### Randolph. I've been pissed all day.

10. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 07:18 PM (#2086359)

JOHN MAINE! Already better than half of our rotation!

11. AJM Posted: July 03, 2006 at 07:19 PM (#2086360)

Woo hoo Maine!

12. AJM Posted: July 03, 2006 at 07:26 PM (#2086366)

Beltran second in the NL in SLG. Wow.

13. Chris now in Shanghai! Posted: July 03, 2006 at 07:26 PM (#2086367)

The sight of LoDuca makes me even more pissed.

14. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: July 03, 2006 at 07:29 PM (#2086370)

Um. That was a pretty nice curve for a scrub.

15. Chris now in Shanghai! Posted: July 03, 2006 at 07:29 PM (#2086373)

Beltran is good. Definitely worth the money. Ask me about 2010 when we get there.

16. AJM Posted: July 03, 2006 at 07:31 PM (#2086375)

It nice to have a pitcher who can blow a fastball by hitters.

17. Joshemy Posted: July 03, 2006 at 07:32 PM (#2086376)

K! Go Maine!

18. AJM Posted: July 03, 2006 at 07:34 PM (#2086378)

If it's not obvious, I meant starting pitcher.

19. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: July 03, 2006 at 07:35 PM (#2086382)

Oh, Sugar Pants... what a silly notion!

20. AJM Posted: July 03, 2006 at 07:37 PM (#2086385)

Hey, the umps get a call right!

21. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: July 03, 2006 at 07:38 PM (#2086387)

Sanford & Son!

22. Joshemy Posted: July 03, 2006 at 07:39 PM (#2086388)

Hey, Cliff got a hit!

23. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 07:46 PM (#2086393)

Matt's crazy post of the night:

I believe last night could be the 2006 Mets' version of June 5, 1999. Reeling from their eighth straight loss, handed to them by the Yankees, GM Steve Phillips fired Bob Apodaca, Randy Niemann and Tom Robson. At the time, the Mets were 27-28, in third place and six games back.

"If we are not better in the next 55 games, then I should not be manager," Valentine said. "I can't see it lasting much beyond that."

...

"It's kind of frustrating," John Franco said. "We feel we have a good team, but we just don't feel we're getting it done."

The next day, the Mets snapped Roger Clemens' 20-game win streak.

Instead of coaches, in 2006 it is players. As a result of the loss last night and the recent tailspin, I think several roster moves are in the making. Obviously, there are some changes needed. It began this afternoon with Omar going against Willie "Fast Hands" Randolph and tabbing Maine. Soler is gone and won't be back this year, justly so. Bell will follow him in the coming days and after him, who knows? The team has loads of young talent (Keppinger, Owens, Pelfrey?) in the minors, potentially capable of having Melvin Mora 1999-type impact on this season.

The difference between 1999 and 2006 is the Mets have room to play around with the roster configuration. I have a strong feeling neither Trachsel nor El Duque will be around come October.

24. AJM Posted: July 03, 2006 at 07:52 PM (#2086400)

I hope you're right Matt.

25. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 07:53 PM (#2086402)

Maine rocks.

26. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 07:55 PM (#2086404)

It happened so fast.

27. Joshemy Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:02 PM (#2086411)

Productive out!

28. AJM Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:02 PM (#2086413)

Productive out!

29. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:10 PM (#2086436)

So where is everybody?

Mustacho with the range.

30. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:12 PM (#2086439)

JOHN MAINE IS THE BEST PITCHER EVER!

31. Joshemy Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:12 PM (#2086440)

K again!

32. AJM Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:12 PM (#2086441)

Maine is awesome.

33. Russlan thinks Jose Reyes pops up too much Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:13 PM (#2086443)

Maine doesn't that hard but compared to the other Met starters, his fastball looks Burnettesque.

34. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:13 PM (#2086445)

I don't care if Maine gets torched for 5 runs every start, he's infinitely easier to watch than Trax or Soler.

35. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:18 PM (#2086451)

YES! It isn't a day-nighter on Sat. I've got tickets!

36. Russlan thinks Jose Reyes pops up too much Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:20 PM (#2086455)

BTW, Phil Humber pitched tonight in A-ball. He went 4 innings, 2 ER, 4 hits, 2 k, 2 hr allowed.

37. Joshemy Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:31 PM (#2086470)

K! John Maine is awesome!

38. AJM Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:32 PM (#2086474)

Great, they're talking about Lo Duca's "fire" and that he plays the game the right way. I guess playing the right way is sucking at every aspect of it.

Now they're explaining his yelling at ARod. Quit defending this loser!

39. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:34 PM (#2086477)

I really hope Lo Duca isn't hitting second in September.

40. AJM Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:35 PM (#2086480)

Not good Maine.

41. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:35 PM (#2086481)

WARM UP OLIVER YOU HACK!

42. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:35 PM (#2086482)

come on, john, finish it out!

43. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:37 PM (#2086489)

Maine hit the proverbial wall. They gotta stretch him out somehow.

44. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:37 PM (#2086492)

dang it

45. Joshemy Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:37 PM (#2086493)

And he's done. It was a good effort, but pull him now!

46. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:37 PM (#2086496)

WILLIE IS DOING IT AGAIN! WORST MANAGER EVER.

47. AJM Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:38 PM (#2086498)

I think he's done. Willie?

48. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:39 PM (#2086502)

Ugh.

49. Joshemy Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:39 PM (#2086504)

OH MY GOD I HATE YOU WILLIE!

50. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:39 PM (#2086505)

EXTRA! EXTRA!

WILLIE RANDOLPH MAKES THE SAME MISTAKE TWO NIGHTS IN A ROW!

51. AJM Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:41 PM (#2086507)

####.

This is what happens when you throw 100 pitches in 5 innings.

And of course Willie removes the guy too late.

52. NTNgod Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:43 PM (#2086509)

WILLIE RANDOLPH MAKES THE SAME MISTAKE TWO NIGHTS IN A ROW!

It happened too fast.

53. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:43 PM (#2086510)

Through five in Tampa, Kazmir: 1 H, 1 BB, 5 K. Wigginton has two home runs, 14 and 15th of the year.

Darling just said it happens so fast for a young pitcher. It's official.

Art Howe : We battled :: Willie Randolph : It happened so fast.

54. AJM Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:44 PM (#2086512)

Kool-Aid II!

55. Joshemy Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:44 PM (#2086514)

Lefty Kool Aid!

56. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:44 PM (#2086515)

They're gonna give him another start, right? Please.

57. Russlan thinks Jose Reyes pops up too much Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:46 PM (#2086519)

Maine is definitely going to get at least one more start. Remember, they need two starters on Saturday.

58. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:47 PM (#2086520)

Well, that didn't end well, but I like what I see from Maine a lot more than what I saw from Soler lately, ore even Bannister really. There seems like some potential there. I like the fact that he looks completely pissed in the dugout.

59. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:51 PM (#2086530)

Dang it, Beltran.

60. Joshemy Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:53 PM (#2086534)

David Wright, I would quite like a double right here.

61. AJM Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:54 PM (#2086535)

Not good Carloses.

Come on David, pick them up!

62. Joshemy Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:55 PM (#2086540)

Damnit David.

63. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:56 PM (#2086541)

Jesus.

64. Banta Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:56 PM (#2086542)

Just got in... so the Mets really suck now, huh?

65. AJM Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:56 PM (#2086543)

That sucked.

66. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:56 PM (#2086544)

That sucked. This would be a bad loss, even worse than any of the Sox/Yanks ones I think, given what we got out of Maine. The bats can't sleep like this against Paul F. Maholm.

67. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:56 PM (#2086547)

Jesus H. Christ!

68. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 08:59 PM (#2086549)

ANGEL HERNANDEZ MADE A CALL IN FAVOR OF THE METS!

69. Joshemy Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:00 PM (#2086551)

Heads up Delgado!

70. Banta Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:01 PM (#2086554)

That was odd.

71. Joshemy Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:02 PM (#2086557)

Cliffy!

72. AJM Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:02 PM (#2086558)

Floyd!

73. Banta Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:07 PM (#2086570)

You know, say what you will about Chris Cotter, but I don't think he's fake. I think he really acts like that, off camera.

74. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:07 PM (#2086571)

I was gonna say, why are the bleachers empty? Thanks Chris Cotter!

75. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:08 PM (#2086574)

I like Cotter, a lot.

76. Russlan thinks Jose Reyes pops up too much Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:10 PM (#2086576)

I like Cotter because he is awesome. I don't like Nady because he sucks.

77. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:11 PM (#2086579)

Eli played third last night? Yikes. Must have happened after I went to bed.

78. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:12 PM (#2086583)

Let's go Eli.

Kazmir 7 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 8 K

79. Joshemy Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:13 PM (#2086585)

Ugh.

80. Banta Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:14 PM (#2086586)

This team is terrible.

81. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:15 PM (#2086587)

Cotter is like the ultimate of his kind (toolish sideline reporters), but I'm not sure that that makes him awesome in the grand scheme of things.

Dang it, offense. Losing to the Pirates is not so acceptable.

82. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:18 PM (#2086591)

Wowowow. Kazmir gets Ortiz on a beautiful chamge to end the eighth. 8 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 9 K...106 pitches. He may go for the CG.

Not to pour salt on the wound or anything.

83. Joshemy Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:18 PM (#2086592)

Kazmir just struck out David Ortiz to cap the 8th inning: 106 pitches, 1 H, 2 BB, 9 K, 0 runs.

84. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:19 PM (#2086593)

Well, I suppose Chadford couldn't be perfect forever. Yuck.

85. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:20 PM (#2086595)

You gotta play the infield in here.

86. Joshemy Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:20 PM (#2086596)

This is not the Chad Bradford I know.

87. AJM Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:21 PM (#2086598)

This is just terrible.

88. NTNgod Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:22 PM (#2086601)

Losing to the Pirates is not so acceptable.

As I mentioned in the Sunday chatter yesterday, the scores against the Tigers the series before this one:

L 7-6
W 9-2
L 9-8

They hung with the team with the best record in baseball, so it's not completely surprising they're doing OK tonight.

89. Russlan thinks Jose Reyes pops up too much Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:23 PM (#2086606)

Walking Casey to get to Bay. Yikes.

90. Joshemy Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:25 PM (#2086609)

Damnit.

91. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:26 PM (#2086610)

I can't say I'm surprised; the formula (young lefty and scrappy team) was right for a loss, but that doesn't mean I'm happy about it.

Brutal town, Chad. You're reminding me of another crappy sidearmer, Steve Reed, who... ack... awk... erk.. Bay... (collapse).

92. Banta Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:26 PM (#2086611)

Please note, Willie is unprepared to any scenario other than Bradford completing the inning.

93. AJM Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:26 PM (#2086612)

Ugh.

I was going to ask if the Pirates bullpen was any good, but it doesn't matter now.

94. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:26 PM (#2086613)

I want more roster moves. This team is uninspired. Get Pelfrey up for one of the games on Saturday. What's the worst that could happen?

95. AJM Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:27 PM (#2086615)

Is it me or does Willie always look confused when they show him in the dugout?

96. Joshemy Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:30 PM (#2086620)

Jeromy freakin' Burnitz? Jeez.

97. Joshemy Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:31 PM (#2086625)

Well, Matt, Cliff Floyd looks inspired.

98. Banta Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:31 PM (#2086626)

No one on this team is interested in playing anymore. Aside from Cliff, but that's because he's cooler than God.

99. AJM Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:32 PM (#2086627)

Kazmir going for the complete game, just K'd Varitek with a guy on second.

100. NTNgod Posted: July 03, 2006 at 09:33 PM (#2086628)

What's the worst that could happen?

He gets run over by an 18-wheeler when leaving the team hotel?

He blows his arm out forever during his warmup pitches?

He gets stabbed by an angry ex-girlfriend running out of the stands?

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