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Sunday, April 29, 2007

Red Sox (15-8) at Yankees (9-13) - 1:05 pm EDT

BOS: J. Tavárez (0-2, 8.36)
NYY: C. Wang (0-1, 5.68)

NTNgod Posted: April 29, 2007 at 05:56 AM | 173 comment(s)
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1. Cowboy Popup Posted: April 29, 2007 at 11:59 AM (#2349096)

I'm so happy this isn't an 8 PM start.

2. TVerik fondly recalls Todd Palin's facial hair Posted: April 29, 2007 at 12:35 PM (#2349114)

The announcers always point out that Lowell was a Yankee farmhand.

Was he part of the Tino Martinez trade?

3. TVerik fondly recalls Todd Palin's facial hair Posted: April 29, 2007 at 12:38 PM (#2349116)

Ah.

February 1, 1999: Traded by the New York Yankees to the Florida Marlins for Mark J. Johnson, Ed Yarnall, and Todd Noel (minors).

At the time, Ed Yarnall was the player talked about here. Lowell played a handful of games for the 1998 club- does he have a WS ring from that year?

4. Darren Posted: April 29, 2007 at 12:56 PM (#2349130)

That wasn't a good trade, obviously, especially since they kept the seemingly inferior Brosius. But they were able to use Yarnell to get Neagle.

5. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 12:58 PM (#2349132)

Yankees 8-9 favorites.

6. TVerik fondly recalls Todd Palin's facial hair Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:01 PM (#2349137)

Darren, if you take Josh Beckett's name out of it, was Lowell worth the $9 mill or so that he made last year?

7. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:05 PM (#2349142)

Not quite?

8. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:09 PM (#2349144)

Personally, I fail to see how anybody can form the opinion that the Yankees are only ~63% to win this ballgame.

9. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:10 PM (#2349148)

Wang's K rate up considerably this season.

10. PJ Martinez Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:14 PM (#2349150)

Yeah, he's already got 4 of them.

11. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:14 PM (#2349151)

Crap.

12. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:14 PM (#2349152)

Huh. A K.

The YES gun is fast, of course, meaning that Wang is indeed throwing 90-92, not 92-94. Vindication is sweet. Heh.

13. TVerik fondly recalls Todd Palin's facial hair Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:15 PM (#2349153)

Wow.

14. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:16 PM (#2349156)

That's two shots in a row. Wang got nuthin today, it looks like.

15. Antigonos Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:16 PM (#2349157)

That was kah-rushed.

16. The Ghost of Archi Cianfrocco Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:16 PM (#2349158)

That was SMOKED.

17. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:17 PM (#2349160)

I was joking, PJM. Although he now has 4 in 7 innings?

18. PJ Martinez Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:18 PM (#2349162)

So was I.

19. PJ Martinez Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:19 PM (#2349165)

But yes, he does have 4 in 7. Somehow that seems less than dispositive.

20. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:19 PM (#2349167)

Wang was throwing less hard as the inning progressed, if that means anything at all.

21. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:21 PM (#2349170)

Yankees will get 15 today, making Bivvo hang the head in shame at his hubris.

22. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:24 PM (#2349174)

What the #### are these guys talking about on MLB? They are saying the RED SOX don't have good defense? Jesus Christ, fellas. Let's clean up our own house first. Lugo and Pedroia are good defenders. And Drew is outstanding. They are improved from last year.

23. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:25 PM (#2349176)

teddy, I think you're taking this reverse jinx thing a little too far. Stop being so paranoid.

24. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:27 PM (#2349177)

Tavarez had one clocked at 93 in the top of the 1st--I've never seen him do that on the NESN gun. We'll lose this ballgame, but I'm winning my arguement. Wang throws 91-92 four seamers, he is not one of the hardest throwers in the AL, at least that's not how he operates-as a real hard thrower.

25. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:28 PM (#2349178)

Another thing. Once you make the DH adjustment, the Red Sox lead the majors in defense.

I don't mind reasonable criticism but these guys are just off the wall. Can't they read a stat sheet?

26. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:29 PM (#2349179)

Haha. They put up a graphic on Karsten's leg to show the fibula bone being the one broken. But the one in the graphic that was broken was the TIBIA, not the fibula.

27. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:36 PM (#2349184)

kevin with the scientist joke!

28. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:38 PM (#2349189)

Is Tavarez getting squeezed? They're calling balls on pitches that were strikes yesterday.

29. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:40 PM (#2349197)

One of the pitches he got squeezed-first one to Shemp.

30. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:42 PM (#2349200)

Another triple!

31. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:43 PM (#2349202)

Good little ballplayer, that Cora.

32. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:43 PM (#2349203)

Why did Abreu let Damon make that throw?

33. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:45 PM (#2349207)

Lugo-steal second.

34. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:46 PM (#2349209)

RDF. The YES guys just said Wang features a 95 MPH sinker!

35. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:46 PM (#2349210)

Correction #24-*91-92 two seamers*

36. Fly's New Handle Was Too Long, But Clever Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:47 PM (#2349211)

Today's gametime meal: 2 buffalo burgers (less fat, more flavor!), one with mustard, mayo, bacon, and vidalia, one with vidalia and James River BBQ, with chips and pickels. For a beverage: Aecht Schlenkerla Rauchbier. Nice and smoky, to go with the meat.

A+.

37. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:49 PM (#2349212)

God, If Damon can't even prevent Lugo from taking third on that...

38. Fly's New Handle Was Too Long, But Clever Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:50 PM (#2349215)

####. Lugo should have just gone right through him.

39. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:50 PM (#2349216)

Dumb.

40. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:50 PM (#2349217)

Lugo with two dumb baserunning plays in a row.

41. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:55 PM (#2349224)

Ah, back to the real Tavarez. Leadoff walks.

42. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:57 PM (#2349225)

Groan.

43. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:58 PM (#2349227)

Take the out, Nossie.
Where did everybody go?

44. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 01:59 PM (#2349229)

####### Tavarez.

45. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:00 PM (#2349231)

Tavarez is a classic choke artist. Classic. This sort of thing happens everytime he has to record outs in a meaningful game.

Choker. Head case. Washout.

46. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:02 PM (#2349233)

He was giving you the out, you moron. Now Torre will give Minky another 100 AB's before he realizes he's cooked.

47. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:02 PM (#2349234)

God, does he suck.

Jon, please pitch well and come back.

Now we know who to deep-six once Lester comes back.

48. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:05 PM (#2349237)

Tavarez would thrive as a long man, 3 innings of work in a no leverage setting. He's a head case.

49. bebop Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:05 PM (#2349238)

man bites dog

50. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:06 PM (#2349239)

Dead Cat posts.

51. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:07 PM (#2349240)

That's closing the barn door...

52. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:13 PM (#2349246)

Hinske pulls the outside offering from the Fireballer...

53. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:17 PM (#2349255)

Way to pick it, Julio...

54. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:17 PM (#2349256)

Lugo should have had that.

55. Cowboy Popup Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:17 PM (#2349258)

"We'll lose this ballgame, but I'm winning my arguement. Wang throws 91-92 four seamers, he is not one of the hardest throwers in the AL, at least that's not how he operates-as a real hard thrower."

Hate to interrupt the circle jerk, but the Yes gun is not fast, and I've seen Wanger at 93-94 all game, so you're wrong, and I'll take John Flahert and Al Leiter's word on pitch speeds over to old bitter Red Sox fans any day of the week.

56. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:19 PM (#2349260)

CP, did you soil your diapers or something?

57. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:19 PM (#2349262)

PED cheater.

58. NJ in DC loathes his classmates and the law Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:19 PM (#2349263)

Hate to interrupt the circle jerk, but the Yes gun is not fast, and I've seen Wanger at 93-94 all game, so you're wrong, and I'll take John Flahert and Al Leiter's word on pitch speeds over to old bitter Red Sox fans any day of the week.

Furthermore, the point that I made that started this whole stupid thing was that it was in the midst of summer, later in the season, that Wang sat at 92-95, so what he's doing now is irrelevant to that.

59. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:20 PM (#2349264)

I can't believe Tavarez is so bad that he gives up a home run to ####### Miejroieajroij. Get this damn guy out of our rotation

60. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:22 PM (#2349266)

Really. I'd like to get rid of him and make either Snyder or Piniero the long man once Lester comes back.

61. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:23 PM (#2349267)

Wow, the Patriots traded for Randy Moss? Didn't expect that one, though I guess it's not the first time they traded for a guy considered a malcontent (Corey Dillon).

62. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:24 PM (#2349268)

If he walks him, I'm going to hop on the shuttle to NY, take a cab over to Yankee stadium, scale the walls, run out on the field and kick Tavarez in the nuts. I don't care if they arrest me.

63. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:24 PM (#2349269)

Dorm boy, Tavarez does not rally throw 93, as the YES guns is saying he is-he tops out at 91 on the NESN gun, and a bunch of other ones around the AL. The YES gun is fast. Maybe the Wanger throws a little harder tha he does today, but the YES gun is clearly the fast version.

Wang does not throw that hard--today's measurements have him 1 MPH faster than Tavarez, for Pete's sake.

64. John DiFool2 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:25 PM (#2349270)

According to MLB Gamecast, Posada just had a triple play on a strikeout, with nobody on...

65. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:25 PM (#2349271)

What did they give up for him, Biff?

66. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:27 PM (#2349274)

that Wang sat at 92-95

Which equals 90-93 on a real gun. Making me right, and you wrong. He might throw a couple of four seamers a game at 94-95 on a real gun, but he hardly ever does that.

67. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:28 PM (#2349277)

Looks like he got clipped on the inner calf. That really smarts.

68. John DiFool2 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:29 PM (#2349278)

[Nevermind post 64, lag]

Crisp OK?

69. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:29 PM (#2349279)

Really. I'd like to get rid of him and make either Snyder or Piniero the long man once Lester comes back.

I woke up at around 2:15 to check the score and wasn't surprised to see that Tavarez had given up 3 runs. Then I saw how it happened and kind of flipped.

70. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:29 PM (#2349280)

Wow, Moss? That's weird.

71. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:31 PM (#2349286)

Cora turns on the world-class heater! Good little ballplayer!

72. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:31 PM (#2349287)

Holy #### Alex Cora hits a home run?!?!

What did they give up for him, Biff?

A fourth-round pick.

73. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:31 PM (#2349288)

Holy ####! Cora is smokin!

74. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:32 PM (#2349291)

I'm surprised Wang wasn't able to handcuff Cora with that 95 MPH heater of his :)

75. John DiFool2 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:33 PM (#2349292)

tfbg9, and others:

This is why I don't think Wang will last unless he makes adjustments. For his style of pitching,
he absolutely has to have both great control and avoid the long ball, all the time. That is very
hard to do, over a period of years; basically his lack of Ks puts too much pressure on the other
parts of his game.

If he does adjust and come up with a killer change or splitter or something I'll change my mind.

76. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:33 PM (#2349294)

How much you want to bet that Tavarez walks the leadoff man, now that he has the lead back?

77. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:33 PM (#2349295)

The battle of the unlikely home runs?

78. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:34 PM (#2349297)

The Stadium gun just had Wang at 98. Sure. Maybe this is where all this crap is coming from?

79. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:38 PM (#2349304)

That sounds about right, teddy. Wang is known for his strikeouts.

80. John DiFool2 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:38 PM (#2349306)

Papi, 7 GDPs so far this year (he's usually around 12 for a full year)...

81. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:39 PM (#2349307)

A home run and two inning-ending DPs for Ortiz...

82. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:39 PM (#2349308)

How many swings and misses at the Wanger's fastball? One, by Lugo, leading off the game?

Tavarez will give it right back, becasue this is an important situation, and he always fails in those. Always.

83. Fly's New Handle Was Too Long, But Clever Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:43 PM (#2349316)

That's why Lugo should have gone in full speed to the plate, and taken out Wang.

84. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:43 PM (#2349317)

Should've gone for the Slap, Minky-doodle.

85. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:44 PM (#2349318)

Damon can barely walk. Why not BB him, you dope?

86. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:45 PM (#2349321)

The ####### guy has a bad back and Tavarez is nibbling with him. What a ####### idiot.

87. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:48 PM (#2349323)

Kay hates Manny. A lot.

88. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:49 PM (#2349325)

Manny can't buy a hit.

89. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:49 PM (#2349327)

man, he caught that but they are just teeing off on Wang.

90. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:51 PM (#2349330)

Hinske pulls another outside 98 MPH pitch for a grounder to the right side. Brilliant.

91. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:51 PM (#2349331)

Kay's a tool.

92. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:55 PM (#2349334)

Wang's two seamer, 94-2 (Yes adjustment), or 92MPH, is a nice radar reading for a two seamer. This much is true.

93. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:57 PM (#2349340)

They just had a four seamer at 96 to 'Tek. Which means 94. No sink.

94. Buster Olney the Lonely Posted: April 29, 2007 at 02:57 PM (#2349341)

Please, Michael Kay, no more discussion of "length" and "wang" in the same sentence, mmkay?

95. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 03:00 PM (#2349343)

And another, which 'Tek somehow catches up to, and pops to Damon in shallow CF. Now I see where you guys are getting this "Wang throws really hard" stuff from.

96. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 03:01 PM (#2349346)

Tito-remove Tavarez after one baserunner...you suck Lugo. Totally.

97. NJ in DC loathes his classmates and the law Posted: April 29, 2007 at 03:02 PM (#2349347)

Red Sox guys, what does the Boston media think of Julio Lugo's defense? I ask because the New York media, especially Michael Kay, seems to think he is a horrid defender out at short and my impression is that the evidence points to him being good.

98. kevin Posted: April 29, 2007 at 03:04 PM (#2349348)

NJ, he's one of those guys who makes lots of spectacular plays but will flub a cookie once in a while. On balance, I think he's average for a MLB starter.

99. tfbg9 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 03:05 PM (#2349350)

Lugo makes a lot of errors, but his range and arm are OK. That's my impression, anyway.

100. John DiFool2 Posted: April 29, 2007 at 03:06 PM (#2349352)

What's with Abreu and all the bunting? You'd think a guy with a career OBP, you'd want him hitting
away and getting on base himself...

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