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Tigers (82-49) at Yankees (77-52) 7:05 pm EDT GAME 2 on ESPN

DET: W. Ledezma (2-1, 2.08)
NYY: J. Wright (9-7, 4.72)

NTNgod Posted: August 30, 2006 at 05:37 AM | 233 comment(s)
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1. Buddha Posted: August 30, 2006 at 03:59 PM (#2161942)

And the Tigers fall out of the playoffs continues.

2. Cutter Posted: August 30, 2006 at 04:32 PM (#2161973)

According to BPro the Tigers have better than a 97% chance of making the playoffs. But I'm not sure if that factors in their 3-7 record over the past 10 games.

3. RB in NYC (Now with Jet Lag!) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 04:40 PM (#2161985)

I'm sure it does and equally sure the Tigers still make the playoffs. The team I really don't want in the playoffs is the Twins, that rotation scares me. Of course, last time I really wanted to face a team was 2002, and the Yankees got the guys I wanted, and we all know how that turned out. Which is a long way of saying I'll just worry about them and let things fall where they may.

I'll be at the game tonight, Tier 23, Row T wearing a dress shirt and pants, furiously keeping score in a large gray book. Come and see me!

4. The Jerry Royster Experience Posted: August 30, 2006 at 04:40 PM (#2161986)

According to BPro the Tigers have better than a 97% chance of making the playoffs. But I'm not sure if that factors in their 3-7 record over the past 10 games.

In order for the Tigers not to make the playoffs, they pretty much have to get passed by both the Twins and the White Sox. Even if the Tigers continue to fade, I'd be willing to bet that one of the other two teams fade, too.

5. Cutter Posted: August 30, 2006 at 04:48 PM (#2161998)

Is Liriano healthy yet? If he is, I'd be nervous but he hasn't pitched in a while.

6. Buddha Posted: August 30, 2006 at 04:48 PM (#2161999)

According to BPro the Tigers have better than a 97% chance of making the playoffs. But I'm not sure if that factors in their 3-7 record over the past 10 games.

That doesn't mean jack.

In order for the Tigers not to make the playoffs, they pretty much have to get passed by both the Twins and the White Sox. Even if the Tigers continue to fade, I'd be willing to bet that one of the other two teams fade, too.

That's what I'm hoping for. It's the only way the Tigers will make it. I see the Twinkies collapsing before the Sox do. The Sox's lineup is too good. And if Liriano doesn't come back, I can see the Twins winning only about once every 5th day...

This teams sins are starting to show. They can't get on base. Their fielding is coming back to earth. Their young pitching seems to be getting tired.

Now watch Todd Jones start to revert back to his usual form and the collapse will be complete.

7. RB in NYC (Now with Jet Lag!) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 04:52 PM (#2162001)

8. Whitey's Ghost Posted: August 30, 2006 at 04:52 PM (#2162003)

According to BPro the Tigers have better than a 97% chance of making the playoffs. But I'm not sure if that factors in their 3-7 record over the past 10 games.

That's gotta be dated. They're only up 4 in the loss column with 30 left to play. Granted, they only have to beat out one of the two teams behind them to get in, but their 6 games remaining with the Twins and White Sox are on the road.

9. Buddha Posted: August 30, 2006 at 04:53 PM (#2162004)

The only thing working in the Tigers favor is the end of the schedule. The Tigers get their last six games at home against the Royals and Blue Jays. The Sox have Cleveland and Minnesota on the road to finish the season.

10. Buddha Posted: August 30, 2006 at 04:54 PM (#2162008)

It's a good effort, Tiger fans, but you guys really ought to try that stuff out when you're facing the Royals and D-Rays, rather than when talking to we humble masters of the Reverse Jinx, Yankee Chatters

But we're actually serious.

6 games remaining with the Twins and White Sox are on the road.

Seven games. Four with the Twinkies and three with the Sox.

11. The Jerry Royster Experience Posted: August 30, 2006 at 04:56 PM (#2162012)

The Sox have Cleveland and Minnesota on the road to finish the season.

I'm not looking forward to that last series. The Metrodome has killed the Sox' playoff hopes more than once.

12. Urban Faber Posted: August 30, 2006 at 05:16 PM (#2162025)

I'm not looking forward to that last series. The Metrodome has killed the Sox' playoff hopes more than once.

That series also includes the 11 a.m. Eric Milton no-hitter special Saturday game - with no television - because the Gophers play Michigan that night (to keep the Big Ten theme from Game 1 going).

The Tigers' situation is weird, because I want the White Sox to catch them, but I feel for the fans because last year at this time was no fun at all for us.

13. VG Posted: August 30, 2006 at 06:10 PM (#2162067)

The Tigers' situation is weird, because I want the White Sox to catch them, but I feel for the fans because last year at this time was no fun at all for us.

Well put, and me, too.

14. The Jerry Royster Experience Posted: August 30, 2006 at 06:22 PM (#2162074)

The Tigers' situation is weird, because I want the White Sox to catch them, but I feel for the fans because last year at this time was no fun at all for us.

Current Tigers record - 82-50, 4 1/2 game lead.

2005 White Sox record after 132 games - 81-51, 7 1/2 game lead.

The frustrating thing was that it wasn't like the White Sox were playing horrible baseball. They were 12-16 in August, which isn't great, but for a team with the lead the White Sox had, that should be more than enough. The Tigers, by the way, are 11-15 in August so far this year. There are differences (the 2005 Indians went on an absolute tear in July/August, while the White Sox have been playing pretty mediocre ball), but the similarities are pretty striking and are growing as time goes on.

15. Sean McNally Posted: August 30, 2006 at 06:24 PM (#2162075)

Lineups out - Per LoHud:

YANKEES
Johnny Damon CF
Melky Cabrera LF
Derek Jeter SS
Jason Giambi DH
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Bernie Williams RF
Craig Wilson 1B
Sal Fasano C
Jaret Wright RHP (9-7, 4.72)

TIGERS
Curtis Granderson CF
Craig Monroe LF
Dmitri Young DH
Magglio Ordonez RF
Carlos Guillen SS
Sean Casey 1B
Neifi Perez 2B
Brandon Inge 3B
Vance Wilson C
Wilfredo Ledezma LHP (2-1, 2.08)

I do endorse Bernie Williams, right-handed hitter. I do not endorse Bobby Abreu, potenial pinch hitter though.

16. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 06:33 PM (#2162082)

The Yankees now lead the Red Sox by 10 games in the loss column. I am more concerned about the Tigers' lead than the Yankees. I don't like rooting for Jaret Wright. I am switching my affiliation for this game to neutral.

17. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 06:42 PM (#2162089)

In other news, the Yankees are playing the Tigers in AA. Philip Hughes is on the mound for the Yankees and, unsurprisingly, has allowed no runs, with two hits and four Ks through 4.

18. VG Posted: August 30, 2006 at 06:47 PM (#2162094)

I am switching my affiliation for this game to neutral.

A remarkable act of selflessness.

19. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 06:53 PM (#2162099)

When Johnson pitches tomorrow, I am rooting for Detroit.

20. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 06:56 PM (#2162102)

Please, please, please....

21. The Jerry Royster Experience Posted: August 30, 2006 at 06:56 PM (#2162103)

I am switching my affiliation for this game to neutral.

A remarkable act of selflessness.

Apparently rLr isn't interested in home-field advantage in the playoffs.

22. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:02 PM (#2162106)

Are all you Sox fans here to pick over our carcass?

23. Cutter Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:02 PM (#2162107)

The Yankees now lead the Red Sox by 10 games in the loss column. I am more concerned about the Tigers' lead than the Yankees. I don't like rooting for Jaret Wright. I am switching my affiliation for this game to neutral.

Judas!

24. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:04 PM (#2162108)

Apparently rLr isn't interested in home-field advantage in the playoffs.

I would rather see the Tigers and Yankees make the playoffs than the Yankees make it alone with HFA. Besides, I think the Yankees have a good chance of overtaking Detroit for HFA anyway. The Yankees play a bunch of chumps.

25. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:04 PM (#2162109)

Is tomorrow a day game?

26. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:08 PM (#2162112)

No Marcus and a double shot of Neifi. Sigh....

Fun fact: The Rod in 5 PAs vs Ledezma: 1 BB, *4* HR.

27. Cutter Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:09 PM (#2162113)

Tomorrow's game is a day game. 1:05 start.

28. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:09 PM (#2162114)

Hughes' final line: 5 IP, 2H, 5K, 0BB, 0R. Both hits were groundball singles (one by erstwhile Yankees prospect Jackson Melian). One of the baserunners was erased on a double play.

He's too good for the level.

29. Cutter Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:10 PM (#2162115)

I hate you, Jaret Wright.

30. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:10 PM (#2162116)

Even that makes me happy.

31. Cutter Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:11 PM (#2162117)

In all fairness, this ump sucks too.

32. Fat Al Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:11 PM (#2162118)

Here we go....

33. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:11 PM (#2162119)

Thanks, Cutter.

34. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:12 PM (#2162121)

Thanks, Cutter.

35. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:13 PM (#2162122)

In all fairness, this ump sucks too.

Jaret Wright does not get the benefit of the doubt, nor does he deserve to.

36. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:14 PM (#2162123)

If I were Brandon Inge, I would be pretty mad that I hit behind Neifi Perez in the order. That's an gross insult.

37. VG Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:15 PM (#2162124)

Are all you Sox fans here to pick over our carcass?

I tend to pop into Yankee Chatters, no matter who the opponent is that day.

RB and rLr: I'll be in New York Sept. 25 and 26. I may come in on the night of the 24th. I'll keep you posted.

38. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:16 PM (#2162127)

OOps. Chatter's messed up for me. I have to refresh to post.

Mo-money still killing it.

39. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:17 PM (#2162131)

I tend to pop into Yankee Chatters, no matter who the opponent is that day.

That because, as an Italian, some little part of you wants to root for the team of Lazzeri, Crosetti, Dimaggio, and Berra.

And Pagliarullo, I guess.

40. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:19 PM (#2162133)

Damon bunting to break up the no-no? Gutless.

41. Cutter Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:19 PM (#2162134)

WTF! What's with all the bunting?? That's too many for one day.

42. Fat Al Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:19 PM (#2162135)

Way to work the count guys.

43. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:21 PM (#2162137)

That's a hideous offensive inning. Ledezma on track to throw a 54-pitch perfect game.

44. Cutter Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:21 PM (#2162138)

That because, as an Italian, some little part of you wants to root for the team of Lazzeri, Crosetti, Dimaggio, and Berra.

What's Rizzuto? Chop liver?

45. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:23 PM (#2162139)

What's Rizzuto? Chop liver?

Can't believe I forgot the Scooter. He's the spare canoli.

46. Cutter Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:24 PM (#2162140)

Those Mets fans in the bleachers who are cheering that homer won't make it out of the stadium alive.

47. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:25 PM (#2162142)

Carlos is our MVP. No contest.

48. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:25 PM (#2162143)

I bet Nate Robertson is wondering why he had to pitch against the Tiger, while Ledezma gets the tobacco-chewing pitching machine.

49. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:26 PM (#2162145)

Nate Robertson has had awful luck all month.

50. Cutter Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:27 PM (#2162147)

<i>I bet Nate Robertson is wondering why he had to pitch against the Tiger, while Ledezma gets the tobacco-chewing slightly damaged pitching machine.

51. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:28 PM (#2162148)

Don't #####, cause that was outside.

52. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:33 PM (#2162151)

Ledezma slays his white whale.

53. Cutter Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:35 PM (#2162153)

Cano, that was stupid.

54. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:36 PM (#2162154)

Melky was paying too much attention to the Tigers today.

55. Cutter Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:37 PM (#2162156)

Ledezma will pitch a perfect game tonight. You can just sense it.

56. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:37 PM (#2162157)

I think this Ledezma might just be pretty good.

The Tigers will shake their hitting slump tomorrow if they don't today.

57. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:40 PM (#2162159)

Craig Monroe looks very jolly on Gameday.

58. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:43 PM (#2162160)

Wright seems to pitch better when I declare myself neutral. Perhaps I should do this more often.

Or perhaps the Tigers are so impatient that they don't let Wright get himself into his usual trouble.

59. Cutter Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:48 PM (#2162164)

Fasano is the only Yankee that's done anything productive at the plate....and then he hits a hilarious double to boot!

60. Cowboy Popup Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:49 PM (#2162166)

That was interesting. Fasano showin some POP! Not showin any speed though.

61. Ned Flanders Fields Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:50 PM (#2162167)

I'm convinced that Sal Fasano is the forgotten "baseball player" member of the Village People.

62. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:50 PM (#2162169)

Sally kills the perfect game. I like Sally. I wish he hit a little more, so the Yankees might keep him next year.

63. Cowboy Popup Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:53 PM (#2162170)

Kaline, Gibson, two pitchers apparently, I don't know.

64. Cowboy Popup Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:53 PM (#2162171)

Melkbert, you are better then that.

65. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:54 PM (#2162172)

After this game, I don't want to hear anyone critcize Manny's play in left.

66. Spivey Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:54 PM (#2162173)

Worst...angle...ever.

67. AuntBea Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:55 PM (#2162175)

How can the exact same thing happen to both left fielders?

68. Spivey Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:56 PM (#2162176)

How can the exact same thing happen to both left fielders?

Both suck at defense.

69. AuntBea Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:58 PM (#2162180)

still... i've rarely seen that play, and then to see it twice with only two intervening outs is really remarkable.

70. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:59 PM (#2162181)

Neifi is such a roadblock to the effective offensive flow.

71. NJ in DC loathes his classmates and the law Posted: August 30, 2006 at 07:59 PM (#2162182)

I'm BACK!!!!!!

72. agodnamedpablo2 Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:00 PM (#2162184)

Is this the game Wright gets past the 6th inning?

73. Cowboy Popup Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:02 PM (#2162186)

Hey Fabian

"Is this the game Wright gets past the 6th inning?"

Nah, he's only got like 45-50 pitches to make it through the next two innings. No way he makes it.

74. agodnamedpablo2 Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:04 PM (#2162188)

Welcome back Fabian, why were you out?

75. NJ in DC loathes his classmates and the law Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:05 PM (#2162189)

I met John McHale this summer.

/bragging

76. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:08 PM (#2162193)

I met John McHale this summer.

But did you meet John McCain?

How about that Phil Hughes, Fabes?

77. Cutter Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:10 PM (#2162194)

A-Rod, the team is giving you such a friggin' bufferzone to break out of this slump. You aren't hurting them now. But you better get your act together before October.

78. NJ in DC loathes his classmates and the law Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:12 PM (#2162196)

1. Phil Hughes is awesome.

2. I came to school on August 20th and have been without internet/tv since then because the cable company couldn't help us out until the 7th, but today we chased down a cable guy and gave him 60 dollars extra and voila!

79. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:13 PM (#2162198)

Who is this efficient K-machine and what has he done with Jaret Wright?

I take it you didn't meet John McCain?

The Tigers need this game more than the Yankees. The Red Sox batted Gabe Kapler fifth today. They are no longer a threat.

80. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:15 PM (#2162199)

Christian Garcia getting smacked around a little bit today. That's a bummer. I wonder if any other interesting guys are pitching in the minors.

81. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:17 PM (#2162203)

Angel Reyes pitching decently for Staten Island. That's not bad for the 19 year-old.

82. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:18 PM (#2162206)

Sixty-six pitches through five innings? Jaret, I don't know you anymore.

83. Cutter Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:20 PM (#2162207)

Keep swinging at that first pitch, Cano. You're really helping the team out.

84. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:21 PM (#2162208)

My word, the Yankees are having some awful ABs tonight.

85. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:21 PM (#2162210)

Where my dogs at?

86. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:22 PM (#2162212)

Who has the best AB music on the Yanks?

87. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:23 PM (#2162213)

Where my dogs at?

DMX is a Tiger fan?

88. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:25 PM (#2162216)

I hope not/ I was commenting on the paucity of Bengals fans in here.
Wil should have a no-hitter going right now.

89. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:25 PM (#2162217)

Who has the best AB music on the Yanks?

I liked when Chuck Knoblauch used to use the Beastie Boys "Intergalactic." I don't like any of the current guys' AB music. Matsui loves the Beatles, which most people like, but doesn't impress me much.

90. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:27 PM (#2162222)

Christ, Meat has looked awful tonite.

91. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:29 PM (#2162225)

Carlos Guillen is kind of goofy-looking, but he's awesome.

92. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:33 PM (#2162229)

Take that, Fasano!

93. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:33 PM (#2162230)

Ledezma is afraid of Sally.

94. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:34 PM (#2162231)

Who are the 2 #8s?

95. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:37 PM (#2162234)

Berra and Dickey.

96. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:38 PM (#2162236)

I'm betting Count Clutchula's clutch powers fail him.

97. rLr Did Your Mother 'Cause She's Hot As A Baker Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:38 PM (#2162237)

I like Fred Rodney, but I wonder why this isn't Zumaya time.

98. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:40 PM (#2162239)

MLB.tv is really pimping the Tom Petty.

Cmon, Fernando.

99. Cowboy Popup Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:40 PM (#2162240)

"I'm betting Count Clutchula's clutch powers fail him."

Nah, Jeter will get a run in or walk.

100. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: August 30, 2006 at 08:41 PM (#2162241)

Dickey! Thanks.

Joel's coming, don't worry.

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