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Tigers (83-50) at Yankees (78-53) 1:05 pm EDT on ESPN

DET: J. Bonderman (11-6, 3.92)
NYY: R. Johnson (14-10, 4.96)

NTNgod Posted: August 31, 2006 at 04:42 AM | 250 comment(s)
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1. RMc is the President of the United States Posted: August 31, 2006 at 07:10 AM (#2162848)

The Tigers suck! Randy will pitch a no-hitter! Neifi should be sent to Toledo! Blah, blah, blah!

Sorry, just starting my reverse jinx early...

2. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:05 AM (#2162945)

Why was Proctor trying to close the game last night?

He pitched in game 1, correct?

3. Sean McNally Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:10 AM (#2162951)

Proctor can pitch both ends of the doubleheader. Mo cannot. Clearly history has shown this to be the case.

4. Sean McNally Posted: August 31, 2006 at 10:12 AM (#2162954)

Also, this is a not-that-urgent SOS for my NYC-area brethern...

I'm heading up for a bachelor party in a couple weeks and looking for some suggestions on watering holes. Think more on the pub/dive/sports bar end of the spectrum. We're staying near Grand Central station.

Thanks kids.

5. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: August 31, 2006 at 11:02 AM (#2163010)

Well, that split last night was such a surprise that when I came home and saw the scores I almost had a heart attack.

I assume that when I check the scoreboard this evening, I'll not be surprised. Johnson may suck, but then, so does Jaret Wright, and besides, Bonderman hasn't exactly been Mr Reliable lately.

6. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 11:14 AM (#2163035)

I'm heading up for a bachelor party in a couple weeks and looking for some suggestions on watering holes. Think more on the pub/dive/sports bar end of the spectrum. We're staying near Grand Central station.

The terrible Murray Hill bars aren't such bad joints for that kind of event. Joshua Tree & McFaddens immediately spring to mind. In any other context, they might make you want to put oyster-forks through your eyeballs, but if you're wasted and have bachelor party karma, you might pick up some slores.

7. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 11:16 AM (#2163037)

I'm heading up for a bachelor party in a couple weeks and looking for some suggestions on watering holes. Think more on the pub/dive/sports bar end of the spectrum. We're staying near Grand Central station.

Thanks kids.

And the whole oyster-fork metaphor reminded me, make sure you get some oysters at the Oyster Bar in Grand Central while you're there. Oysters+Bloody Mary=best hangover cure ever. Ask anyone from New Orleans.

8. Cutter Posted: August 31, 2006 at 11:43 AM (#2163076)

Why was Proctor trying to close the game last night?

He pitched in game 1, correct?

Proctor threw exactly one pitch in the first game. He wasn't exactly worn down after that. Still, I think Villone should have just finished up.

9. The Jerry Royster Experience Posted: August 31, 2006 at 12:03 PM (#2163103)

Proctor threw exactly one pitch in the first game. He wasn't exactly worn down after that.

Yeah, but why him and not Farnsworth, who hasn't pitched since Sunday? Not that Farnsworth is better than Proctor, but if the idea is to spread out the workload, why pick out the one reliever you'd used in the earlier game?

If I was a Yankee fan, the issue wouldn't be that the Yankees lost the game, it's that the useage pattern was really puzzling.

10. Cutter Posted: August 31, 2006 at 12:11 PM (#2163109)

Farnsworth had back spasms. He wasn't going to be used.

11. bebop Posted: August 31, 2006 at 12:28 PM (#2163122)

It would be nice to win a series and show that we can beat someone other then the team with the worst wl record in August.

12. Cutter Posted: August 31, 2006 at 12:34 PM (#2163130)

The Big Useless is pitching. We may have to wait until a series versus Baltimore.

13. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 12:38 PM (#2163140)

Farnsworth had back spasms. He wasn't going to be used.

Farnsy had back spasms? It must be a day ending in "y".

14. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: August 31, 2006 at 12:43 PM (#2163143)

Proctor threw exactly one pitch in the first game. He wasn't exactly worn down after that. Still, I think Villone should have just finished up.

But he still had to get up and warm up and whatnot. Why not myers? Myers can throw a little.

15. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: August 31, 2006 at 12:44 PM (#2163144)

Did Dotel pitch? Is he even in one of the 5 buroughs?

16. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:03 PM (#2163170)

From the fruited plains of South Bend, I wish you all a good afternoon! Will Randy Johnson suck today? Will Scott Proctor's arm spontaneously self-destruct, a-la Tony Saunders? Tune in today to find out all this, and more!

17. bebop Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:05 PM (#2163173)

Dotel is where Proctor used to be. Would it be so bad to find out if Dotel could be a big contributing facot in the post season?

18. bebop Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:05 PM (#2163174)

Dotel is where Villone used to be. Would it be so bad to find out if Dotel could be a big contributing facot in the post season?

19. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:09 PM (#2163180)

I was at that game where Thames hit his homer off of Unit in his first big league AB, sitting in the 3rd row behind the Yankees dugout, and you could hear one of the Yankees scream "YOUR ####### EYES WERE CLOSED!" as he came back to the dugout. That was also the game where my buddies went home on the D train and ended up in a car with Curt Schilling who was talking #### to everyone. Good times.

20. Urban Faber Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:10 PM (#2163182)

I-Rod leading off. Neifi hitting sixth (but he has a .359 average against the Unit, so I'm surprised he's not hitting third).

I hope Rivera's elbow is OK.

21. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:10 PM (#2163183)

Pudge leading off?!?

22. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:11 PM (#2163186)

That looks like good Randy.

23. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:12 PM (#2163190)

oh, ####, i just saw that about Rivera.

#### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### ####

24. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:13 PM (#2163191)

Bernie in CF? Looks like it's gonna be house money September!

25. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:14 PM (#2163194)

#### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### ####

shut him down for september, no matter what
#### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### ####

anyone but Mo
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26. Urban Faber Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:14 PM (#2163195)

They showed him throwing in the outfield today, so he's probably OK. No reason to push it with the big lead.

27. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:16 PM (#2163197)

Easy doubled to catcher. It's supposedly nothing to get in a tizzy about.

28. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:18 PM (#2163202)

Wow, the rare hit and run that works.

29. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:19 PM (#2163203)

I havent checked the # but it seems that ABreu is struggling since the boston serise.

30. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:20 PM (#2163207)

Easy doubled to catcher. It's supposedly nothing to get in a tizzy about.

Scott Proctor closing games in the post season? Oh, that's tizzy-worthy.

31. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:21 PM (#2163208)

BOBBY!!!

32. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:21 PM (#2163209)

Doh!

33. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:22 PM (#2163212)

oops...damn tricky camera work.

34. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:23 PM (#2163214)

Buck Martinez is maybe functionally retarded, but maybe just plain retarded.

35. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:24 PM (#2163215)

At least bobby showed some power.

36. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:24 PM (#2163217)

Please don't GIDP.

37. Pastor Toastman (PH) Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:24 PM (#2163218)

Ruh roh.

38. agodnamedpablo2 Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:25 PM (#2163219)

And here comes the DP

39. Ned Flanders Fields Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:25 PM (#2163221)

Well, now a test of the clutchiness of Mr. Rod.

40. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:25 PM (#2163222)

I can see him jump out on his front foot from the CF camera angle. That's not a good sign.

41. Pastor Toastman (PH) Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:25 PM (#2163223)

Dear Lord.

42. Urban Faber Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:26 PM (#2163225)

They even said he could pitch today if needed, but I can't imagine what situation that would be. I would take no chances at all there.

Geez, A-Rod.

43. nycfan Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:26 PM (#2163227)

how many pop-outs and k's does A-Rod have in the last two weeks?

44. Ned Flanders Fields Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:27 PM (#2163228)

Wow. He's really slumping horribly. This is the first time I've seen how bad it is.

45. Urban Faber Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:27 PM (#2163229)

What's the lowest spot in the order that Torre would actually bat Rodriguez? Is this it? What happens when/if Sheffield returns? He's gotta go down to sixth, at least.

46. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:27 PM (#2163230)

oooo, that 1-1 slider was naaaaasty.

47. Cowboy Popup Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:28 PM (#2163231)

That's some fancy sucking team.

48. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:28 PM (#2163232)

oooo, that 1-2 slider was naaaaastier.

49. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:28 PM (#2163233)

That inning sucked ####### ass.

50. nycfan Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:29 PM (#2163235)

51. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:31 PM (#2163238)

What's interesting about A-Rod, at least from my perspective, is that its so clearly a mechanical flaw in his swing. I'm not denying the notion that he's psyched himself into a crappy swing, but you can see that the weight-shift is way too early, he looks like a little-leaguer who doesn't really know what he's doing. It's pretty hard to imagine that he won't fix this eventually.

52. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:31 PM (#2163239)

Soul-Glo 1
Unit 0

53. agodnamedpablo2 Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:32 PM (#2163241)

i've got a nasty suspicion arod's problems won't be fixed this season

54. Cutter Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:32 PM (#2163244)

What a waste of talent A-Rod has become.

55. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:34 PM (#2163246)

A-Rod is gonna be a monster next year.

haha, soul glo...."feelin' oh so silky smooth"

56. Pastor Toastman (PH) Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:35 PM (#2163248)

Torre needs to bench A-Rod for at least a week or so. If it's a mental thing then maybe it'll help him clear his mind, and if it's a minor injury that he's hiding then it'll give him some time to recover

It's not a terrible idea. Joe Crede turned into ".550-slugging Joe Crede" after a 15-day DL stint for a broken finger. He learned a lot studying video and in the cage during those two weeks.

57. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:36 PM (#2163249)

I dont think bneching him is the answer. It's a mechanical problem, and he needs to work thruogh it.

58. Cutter Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:37 PM (#2163250)

That pathetic first inning display will prove to be a huge #### up when the yankees are retired in order for the next 6 innings.

59. Cutter Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:39 PM (#2163254)

60. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:39 PM (#2163255)

What an annoying at bat.

61. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:39 PM (#2163256)

Even though Mags parked that one monster homer, I think Johnson looks about as good today as he has all season. Lots of check-swings and swings-and-misses.

62. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:42 PM (#2163260)

Come on, being able to hit 85 mph batting practice fastballs does not require flawless mechanics.

63. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:42 PM (#2163261)

That is some kind of slider that Bonderman throws. Drops like a split.

64. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:45 PM (#2163269)

I would love to see A-Rod during BP. Has anyone gone to the last 2 games? Is he getting good strokes in? Is he trying new things? You have to figure that he's at least hitting during BP. If not then its probably mechanical. Otherwise, its mental.

When I was in HS, i got beaned in the face and broke my nose. After that, for a long time I would bail on pretty much any pitched ball during a game, but I was fine in the cage, since you "knew" those balls would be strikes. It was sorta half-mental, half-mechanical.

65. RMc is the President of the United States Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:49 PM (#2163274)

Well, I can't watch this game on TV because, even though it's on ESPN, YES apparently has an exclusive in the New York market (same story as last night). And I have Dish Network, which doesn't (read: won't) carry YES. So even though the game's on a channel I do get, I can't watch it because of a channel I don't get.

Monopolies suck. Or is it just the Yankees who suck? I mean, does any other team pull this crap?

66. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:51 PM (#2163278)

Monopolies suck. Or is it just the Yankees who suck? I mean, does any other team pull this crap?

I'm pretty sure all the RSN's do the exact same thing.

67. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:53 PM (#2163283)

Randy has ########'s number today.

68. il returno de CC Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:54 PM (#2163284)

Neifi should be sent to Toledo!

What did the Mud Hens ever do to deserve that?

Of course, I'm not quite sure what we Tigers fans did to deserve that either, but what can you do?

69. RMc is the President of the United States Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:54 PM (#2163285)

I'm pretty sure all the RSN's do the exact same thing.

Doubtful. And besides, YES is the only regional sports net that Dish Network doesn't carry, due to the Yankees' all-conquering greed. Gotta pony up those extra millions to buy more steroids, huh, guys?

70. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:54 PM (#2163286)

I think it is an eye problem, get him those fancy Brian Roberts contacts that he raves about.

71. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:54 PM (#2163287)

Nice inning.

72. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:56 PM (#2163289)

Actually, you're quite wrong RMc. I am certain that NESN is the same, for instance.

The decorum of Tiger's chatterers has my rethinking my hopes for a division title in Detroit.

73. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:57 PM (#2163290)

YES is the only regional sports net that Dish Network doesn't carry, due to the Yankees' all-conquering greed.

Or, because it gets the best ratings and demos and can charge the most per customer, which Dish doesn't want to pay. Maybe that.

74. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:58 PM (#2163292)

Monopolies suck. Or is it just the Yankees who suck? I mean, does any other team pull this crap?

Every other team pulls this crap. Its baseballs rules.

75. agodnamedpablo2 Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:59 PM (#2163293)

WJ, why "weekly journalist" for a handle? I realize it's not quite as random as mine, but I gather from your past posts it's not a career reflection

76. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:59 PM (#2163295)

Bonderman has the best slider I've seen in years, and I'm including the good Randy Johnson and K-Rod.

That's a play Thames has to make.

77. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:59 PM (#2163297)

Bobby showing some pop today.

78. RMc is the President of the United States Posted: August 31, 2006 at 01:59 PM (#2163299)

I am certain that NESN is the same, for instance.

Yes, but NESN is carried by Dish Network. YES isn't. It's the only one that isn't. Get it?

The decorum of Tiger's chatterers has my rethinking my hopes for a division title in Detroit.

Oh, that's right. No one's allowed to criticize the Yankees when you're around.

Wipe your chin, OK?

79. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:00 PM (#2163300)

When I first started posting on Baseball Primer I was, in fact, a reporter for a weekly newspaper.

80. Cutter Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:00 PM (#2163301)

Complain about DISH network not ponying up the money. Don't ##### to the YES network.

81. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:01 PM (#2163303)

CLUTCH GOD!

82. Pastor Toastman (PH) Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:02 PM (#2163304)

Well there you go, A-Rod.

83. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:02 PM (#2163305)

Oh, that's right. No one's allowed to criticize the Yankees when you're around.

I never appreciated how civil the Red Sox and White Sox chatterers were. Jeez.

CLUTCH!

84. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:03 PM (#2163306)

Games aired on ESPN and NESN are blacked out in the New England region.

85. Cutter Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:03 PM (#2163307)

I'm in class...what was that hit like? Seeing eye? Bouncer?

Clutch nonetheless.

86. Pastor Toastman (PH) Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:04 PM (#2163309)

Duck-snort, Cutter. And A-rod just ran into a tag at third. It would've been a groundout anyway, but man.

87. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:05 PM (#2163310)

Pudge is a thoroughly unlikeable baseball player.

88. RMc is the President of the United States Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:05 PM (#2163311)

I never appreciated how civil the Red Sox and White Sox chatterers were. Jeez.

Awwwww. Weak Jerkoff's feelings have been hurt. Poor baby.

Look, if you're gonna root for the most reprehensible organization in the history of sports, you have to expect a little criticism occasionally. I mean, toughen up, man.

89. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:06 PM (#2163314)

Every Region! Fox has national rights from Saturday 1 PM-7 PM Eastern, and ESPN has national rights Sunday Night 5 PM or later.

Every other time defaults to the local coverage.

90. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:06 PM (#2163315)

Awwwww. Weak Jerkoff's feelings have been hurt. Poor baby.

Look, if you're gonna root for the most reprehensible organization in the history of sports, you have to expect a little criticism occasionally. I mean, toughen up, man.

Sweet. Nothing gets me hot like tough macho talk over the internet. Keep it up, stud.

91. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:08 PM (#2163317)

Sweet. Nothing gets me hot like tough macho talk over the internet. Keep it up, stud.

kevin is in the chatter?

92. Cutter Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:08 PM (#2163318)

Look, if you're gonna root for the most reprehensible organization in the history of sports, you have to expect a little criticism occasionally. I mean, toughen up, man.

If by reprehensible you meant the most victorious franchise ever.

Yawn.

93. RMc is the President of the United States Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:09 PM (#2163321)

Games aired on ESPN and NESN are blacked out in the New England region.

Are you saying NESN won't show a Red Sox game in New England just because ESPN is also carrying it? Huh? You wanna try that again?

94. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:09 PM (#2163324)

Siddown, soul-glo! (great nickname)

95. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:10 PM (#2163325)

Johnson looks awesome today. 'Bout freakin' time.

96. Cutter Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:11 PM (#2163327)

When I go home to CT, ESPN's Red Sox games are blacked out even though I live in southern CT and my cable company doesn't carry NESN.

Quit trying to make up reasons for hating the Yankees and everything associated with them.

97. Pastor Toastman (PH) Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:11 PM (#2163328)

Outside of Magglio's at-bat, Johnson looks real good.

98. Cowboy Popup Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:12 PM (#2163329)

Nats games on ESPN got blacked out all the time in Lexington, VA even though there was no option to watch Nats games on the cable network. STFU, it happens everywhere.

99. Cutter Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:13 PM (#2163330)

Where's rLr? I expect him to play the role of Debbie Downer with RJ and predict he will give up 4 homers next inning.

100. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 31, 2006 at 02:14 PM (#2163334)

Are you saying NESN won't show a Red Sox game in New England just because ESPN is also carrying it? Huh? You wanna try that again?

No, it is my understanding that NESN has exclusive broadcast rights in New England, and that Red Sox games will not be shown on ESPN in NESN's territory if NESN is also airing them.

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