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Gonfalon Cubs — Cubs Baseball for Thinking Fans Thursday, February 28, 20082008 Chicago Cubs Preview: One Hundred Years of SuckitudeNobody here needs to be reminded the Cubs last won a world series in 1908. But you will be. Repeatedly. By everybody. All season long. That tired storyline should be made easier to stomach by one of the best baseball teams the organization has rolled out in the past half century or so. Of course, that time span includes all of four 90 win ball clubs. Embrace the century of futility knowing your optimism is a little less unfounded than usual. The 2007 season featured a host of surprises both pleasant and otherwise. The Cubs made several big gambles on the free agent market which all paid dividends in year one, guessed the foreign object in Jason Kendall’s back was not – in fact – a fork, hoped the LSU middle infield combo could hit at the major league level and stuck with Jacque Jones through his atrocious first half. Not everything came up Cubs. Michael Barrett’s hitting collapsed and a fistfight with Carlos Zambrano punched his ticket out of town, the middle infield combo from LSU never did hit, Felix Pie’s debut earned him a reprise at Iowa and Ryan Dempster forgot what happens to high fastballs in the low 90’s during the month of September. The final tally affirmed that throwing money at the problems of 2006 was enough to pick up 19 more wins and a division title in the laughably weak NL Central. The changes for 2008 look generally positive. The team retained every single pitcher from the staff which posted the National League’s second best team ERA while adding John Lieber and, hopefully, getting a full season from a more effective Kerry Wood. On the position player side of the roster, Chicago has two promising youngsters who will get everyday major league jobs and a new right fielder from Japan. The improvements make the Cubs a slight favorite in what most view as a two horse race (two and half, let’s give the Reds their due) for the NL Central.
THE POSITION PLAYERS
SECOND BASE: Mark DeRosa – Now that the Brian Roberts rumors have died the Cubs are saddled with… a pretty good second baseman. Roberts scores slightly above average on defense according to most of the metrics and his hitting projection is almost the definition of league average for second base - 276/.349/.405 by ZiPS. His three year, $13 million deal is looking pretty good right now. Should injuries fell him there are a slew of weak alternatives: Mike Fontenot, Alex Cintron, Ronny Cedeno, Eric Patterson (now listed on the roster as an outfielder) and probably half a dozen more keystoners Jim Hendry will acquire for no particular reason. DeRosa is the likely fill in for Aramis while one of the aforementioned backups would take over duties at second. *DeRosa experienced heart palpitations earlier this week and is scheduled to undergo an outpatient heart surgery, whatever that could be* SHORTSTOP: Ryan Theriot – His poor hitting will only be exacerbated by Piniella’s reported decision to bat him second in the lineup this season. Theriot is highly unlikely to make vast improvements at the age of 28 and he isn’t a clearly better option than the younger Cedeno. ZiPS sees the two as virtually identical at the plate. We should, however, appreciate that most defensive systems see him as a capable defensive shortstop. Dewan rated him as +5 in plays made last year. THIRD BASE: Aramis Ramirez – Ramirez doesn’t tend to miss a lot of time but he does spend a large portion of each year hobbling around the basepaths and trying to fall in front of grounders at third base. Last year he stayed healthy and it showed. The defensive systems agreed he was a defensive plus to go with his usual strong hitting. Nobody will mistake him for Brooks Robinson (partly because Aramis is not caucasian) but it is hard to believe he is the same player who made 33 errors in 2003. At the age of 30 his perfect health is unlikely to repeat itself. Even a dinged up Aramis produces at the plate, however, and there is no reason to believe 2008 will be any different. Vaguely interesting factoid: he has improved his contact percentage in each of the past six seasons. CATCHER: Geovany Soto – Dropped 25 pounds last offseason and took his hunger pangs out on the PCL. Soto’s 1.076 OPS performance in Iowa came out of nowhere: John Sickels pegged him as the 12th best Cub prospect last offseason and he Soto had slugged nearly .300 points lower in his prior season at the same level. He followed up on his Triple-A MVP with 54 ABs of 175 OPS+ in the middle of a playoff race. On the strength of that season, ZiPS predicts 284/.342/.483 for 2008. What the Cubs will get from their young catcher is nigh unpredictable but he shouldn’t have a lot of trouble besting the 79 OPS+ and terrible defense the Cubs received from their receivers last season. If Soto fails to live up to his breakout year, Cub fans would be well served to take a deep breath and remind themselves what some of the other NL contenders are putting behind the plate this year. Henry Blanco, the consummate backup catcher, will occasionally spell him. LEFT FIELD: Alfonso Soriano – Year one of the mammoth 8 year contract went fairly well. Sori provided solid offense (a SLG heavy 123 OPS+) and excellent defense to boot. Dewan’s plus/minus system only rated him as -2 but Soriano was the best left fielder in all of baseball by UZR – a whopping +15 glove and 19 outfield assists. I choose to believe in the granularity of UZR. The best part? Soriano may be Chicago’s worst defensive starting outfielder. CENTER FIELD: Felix Pie – Center field is the biggest question mark amongst the hitters. Pie does fairly well with the projection systems thanks to his MLEs (.269/.321/.429 by ZiPS and Baseball Prospectus continues to sing his praises). His major league performance is another story. Pie was given the opportunity to win the job from a putrid Jacque Jones and responded by hitting even putrid-er. A player with that kind of speed can’t possibly be the .159 hitter on ground balls that we saw in 2007. Pie’s substantial defensive value will make up for a lot of failure at the plate… maybe not as much failure as he has provided to date. Should Pie falter, the Cubs will probably have to deal some pitching. The in-house options are Slap-Hittin’ Sammy Fuld and one very green Tyler Colvin. RIGHT FIELD: Kosuke Fukudome – Chicago’s biggest acquisition is charged with the double duty of ignoring obscene puns of his name and haunting Matt Murton’s nightmares. Fukudome is regarded as an excellent defensive outfielder with a good batting eye and a little bit of pop. ZiPS sees a .293/.382/.460 translation in Wrigley Field (with home run totals cut by almost 2/3 from his Japanese days). I think the Cubs would be pretty happy to get that, NPB hitters are an uncertain commodity in MLB. Remember when BPro was referring to Kazuo Matsui as “the better Matsui”? The capable Matt Murton also caddies for this position.
THE BENCH – The Cubs should now be considered a 12 pitcher team. Aside from the aforementioned 8 starting position players, the virtual locks to head to Wrigley after spring training are: Henry Blanco, Matt Murton, Ronny Cedeno and Daryle Ward. The final spot is likely a battle between Sam Fuld and Mike Fontenot. Remember, Cedeno has been practicing in center field so it wouldn’t be a shock if the Cubs decided to err on the side of too many middle infielders.
Ted Lilly – Set career highs in strikeouts and innings pitched. Throw in a dramatic improvement in walk rate and you get a career year. ERA actually understates how well he pitched. In 207 innings he surrendered a meager 3 unearned runs. Now, he’s a good bet to regress this season but it’s not as if Ted’s career performance represents all that much of a dropoff. The optimistic ZiPS projection, which is given a 15% probability, would trump his 2007. The improved outfield defense should also help forestall regression - Ted typically gets grounders on only about one third of all balls allowed in play. Rich Hill – The curveballing, portsiding, late blooming not-so-youngster finally got his chance to pitch a full season for the big club and came through in a big way. I was shocked to discover that Hill only used his devastating breaking ball 27% of the time. In fact, he relies on the fastball more often (59%) than newcomer Jon Lieber and 6% more often than he did the year previous. Nobody doubts Hill’s ability to miss bats. The key to his success is spotting that fastball and if he continues to do so he just might make an all star team or two.
STARTERS?
Jon Lieber – The past 11 seasons have all seen Liebs fallen between 95 and 110 on the ERA+ scale. Even the low end of that range would be a tremendous boon to the Cubs if they get 150 innings of it. The real concern here is durability. The recent scuttlebutt from the Chicago Tribune has Lieber in a competition for the fifth spot. It would be a terrible idea to saddle him with bullpen duties in favor of… Ryan Dempster – The plan to convert Ryan back to a starting role sounded like a poor attempt to boost his trade value after he went Chernobyl in September and allowed 7 home runs over 14 2/3 innings. Now it’s getting scary. Dempster remains a very useful relief arm unworthy of the closer’s role but I guess teams can’t demote closers – only move them laterally. In each of the past four seasons his percentage of fastballs thrown has declined: 61,52,48,45. I hope Ryan isn’t sliding into the realm of junk-baller when the team is expanding his role. Sean Marshall – Like Jason Marquis, he doesn’t do anything particularly well and depends on good support from his glovemen. Unlike Marquis, there are legitimate questions as to whether Marshall is capable of a full season’s workload. Marshall’s pretty 3.92 ERA is a testament to Chicago’s defense and a little good fortune more than his pitching ability. ZiPS sees him as adding more than a full run per nine innings this year. Even with that extreme regression he would be just a hair below average for a starting pitcher. The Cubs are in good shape to have that for their 7th or 8th best starting option.
THE BULLPEN
Bobby Howry – The most consistent reliever in Chicago. Remember how I dubbed Wood’s 140 ERA+ outstanding? Howry has done at least that well in each of the past four seasons. No matter who starts out as closer, he is the most likely to own the spot by September. ZiPS thinks he will be, by ERA, the best pitcher in Chicago by a comfortable margin. The runner up in that category might surprise you: Mike Wuertz – Another one of Chicago’s wild but hard-to-hit pitchers. No matter how the stats shake out, the Cubs will consider him the 4th best right handed option out of the bullpen. This guy is one heck a pitcher to be that low on the totem pole, a 127 career ERA+ is a candidate to close games on a lot of teams. Historically, he has a lot of success against left handed hitting (.704 OPS allowed from 2004-2007). The Cubs should take note of that skill. Their left handed relief might be a little thin. Carlos Marmol – The platonic ideal of the fastball/slider relief pitcher. Marmol’s funky wrist action and twisting delivery hide the ball from opposing hitters. It’s almost unfair that he gets mid 90’s velocity with good movement after it leaves his hand. Cut about 15 walks from last season (I know, that’s a significant number) and he’s a Papelbon clone. But let’s not get carried away, he will have his hands full matching his own performance: 13.1 K/9, 16.3 LD%, 1.43 runs allowed per 9 innings. Scott Eyre – Chicago’s left handed specialist turns 37 this season and his last one was nothing special. What else is there to say about a LOOGY? He went to Southern Idaho Junior College. I’ll bet anybody ten bucks he’s on the alumni wall of fame there.
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Every year, I expect the Cubs to win about at least 5 more games than they end up winning.
Only disagreement with your summary is that Sean Marshall is a very tall Jamie Moyer and will still be pitching in 15 years. Good job.
Then again, he's one of the game's most extreme flyball pitchers, and as you mention in the article the Cubs could have a helluva defensive outfield if Pie keeps the CF job & everyone stays healthy.
Actually, according to Fielding Win Shares, last year's Cubs was the best fielding OF in baseball, about 3 win shares over second place, and about 7-8 over average. As a team, the Cub roster had the most FWS they've had in any season since 2007.
And with Pie & Fukudome hopefully landing starting jobs, it could be the best defensive outfield any team has had since Minnesota's Soul Patrol at the turn-of-the-millennium.
Oh, and Rich Hill is another flyballer.
Hmm, strange. Sounds like paroxysmal a-fib/aflutter, maybe they're going to do an ablation? Again, just speculation on my part - as the condition is unusual in a man in his early 30s.
Lu read the preview and loved it as well.
Or at least since the second half of 2007 when Atlanta ran out Willie Harris, Andruw Jones and Jeff Francouer vs RHP.
Have they died down in Chicago? Because they are as strong as ever in Baltimore. The general consensus is that this deal will get done in a couple of weeks after the Orioles have a chance to scout some of the players on the Cubs side in live action.
Today's Baltimore Sun:
I *thought* it seemed like a hell of a drought...
Excellent. Let's see Cedeno, Murton and Marshall go lights-out for a couple weeks.
I *thought* it seemed like a hell of a drought...
Dag gummit -- I meant the most FWS they've had in a season since 1945. They had 49.9 & even if you adjust for the 154/162 game schedule back in the day, it was their best defensive squad in 62 years. Since then, they've added Fuku, Soto, & likely Pie, meaning their D should be better. I dunno if Soto's any good defensively mind you, but it's like the Polish Tank Divisions in the late 1940s. Even if they sucked, they were a helluva lot better than the damn horsies they replaced.
My prediction: as Zambrano goes, so go the Cubs. Last year, looking at his overall stats, he had a good season That's just Exhibit A in how stats can be misleading. As I'm sure everyone here knows, he was never good last year. He alternated between stretches of craptitude and brilliance in some pitching mutli-personality disorder.
If he's Good Carlos this year and lives up to his potential, the Cubs will win the division.
If he's Bad Carlos and it turns out that Carlos Gomez's analysis of his arm slot indicates a slow burning injury, then the Cubs have no chance.
If he in-between, as he was last year, then it depends.
Carlos Zambrano will have more impact on the 2008 NL Central division race than any other player in teh game.
No kidding; I don't know anything about Soto's fielding metrics, but the mere fact that I wasn't regularly tearing my hair out watching him behind the plate suggests he'll be a damn sight better than Barrett and Kendall.
That FWS figure being the best in 62 years is pretty impressive. Guess I didn't realize they were that good.
I disagree. I think if there is one team in baseball that could lose its ace and still have an excellent shot of winning its division, it's the Cubs for a variety of reasons.
I don't remember where I found this (and I can't find it now) but I seem to recall his minor league CS numbers were in the 30-35% range.
I wonder if the young kids in the minors are harder to throw out than their older major league counterparts?
From the Baltimore Sun article:
The Cubs had supposedly been making inquiries about Coco Crisp. I doubt there was much to that rumor if Baltimore has given up on acquiring Pie.
2 doubles
1 single
1 walk
1 groundout
4 stolen bases (3 steals of third base)
3 runs scored
I guess he wants out.
For once, I feel pretty confident about how the Cubs' offense is going to perform. It probably isn't going to be great, but it will probably be average or maybe even good, and at this point it doesn't feature any glaring holes with even worse options on the bench. The offense wasn't good at all last year, but I see this year's being significantly better and have reasonable confidence about it not being downright sucky.
This is a big deal. I think most good teams have a pretty good idea of what they are going to get from their offense, and live and die on the vagaries of their pitching. Year after year the Cubs seem to have big questions about both, and I start the season thinking that this team is likely to win something between 65 and 94 games.
It should really be Gonfalon Cubble, but I'm sure that has been discussed and rejected.
I don't think it was, but I suppose there is nothing to stop us from changing it...
His poor hitting will only be exacerbated by Piniella’s reported decision to bat him second in the lineup this season.
Well, it depends on what form his poor hitting takes. Hitters like Theriot tend to be evaluated heavily based on batting average, and he had a career minor league BA of .271, and hit just .266 in the majors last year. However, BA wasn't perceived as much of a problem last season, as he hit .299 in April (which was a matter of being red hot in the second half of the month), and his BA bottomed out at .251 in late June. He rekindled things in July/Aug again which kept his BA respectable for the rest of the year despite tanking in September.
My thinking is that if Theriot starts the season off with months like he had in May/June last year, his hold on the number two spot will be very tenuous. And with the Brian Roberts deal seeming to have nine lives, he may never see it.
True, but there are so many weirdnesses for the other ones that you can't bank too much on that one, either. He's a different guy than the one who struck out 20 Astros one magical day.
Every rate stat for Wood postively screams "SAMPLE SIZE!"
FWIW, he looked good while doing it.
Thanks, Dr. I hadn't noticed. He's been a "different guy" from that guy since the fall of '98, and he's still always had very high strikeout rates. He's still got great velocity, so there's no reason to think he won't continue to strike out a lot of guys.
What exactly are you talking about?
(2007, Career)
H/9IP
6.66, 6.97
BB/9IP
4.80, 4.36
Ok, he gave up 0 HR last year and that won't repeat, but other than that, I'm not seeing a whole lot of "weirdness" in his peripherals.
Make up your mind: Are you Dag Nabbit or Dag Gummit?
Pick a side and stick with it. We're at war.
Theriot is highly unlikely to make vast improvements at the age of 28 and he isn’t a clearly better option than the younger Cedeno. Theriot is highly unlikely to make vast improvements at the age of 28 and he isn’t a clearly better option than the younger Cedeno.
Cedeno, MLB Career: .247/.277/.349, 688 ABs
Theriot, MLB Career: .276/.341/.379
Cedeno's never hit well for a consistent period in the bigs, but he hasn't been given a really good shot in a while. He never looks like he can hit as well as he does in AAA (does that make any sense?). I think Theriot should definitely be better offensively, but Cedeno does have the potential that Theriot doesn't. I think the defense evens out, even though Ronny has more range and a better arm, he tends to make the boneheaded play and Theriot's pretty fundamentally sound.
Henry Blanco, Matt Murton, Ronny Cedeno and Daryle Ward. The final spot is likely a battle between Sam Fuld and Mike Fontenot. Remember, Cedeno has been practicing in center field so it wouldn’t be a shock if the Cubs decided to err on the side of too many middle infielders.
I was going to disagree with this, but if Ronny can show he can handle CF he'll make the team, IMO. I think Fuld's got the leg up, because outside of Fukudome no one else can handle CF. And if Pie struggles, Lou's gonna want someone who knows their way around out there. I believe both Cedeno and Fontenot would have to clear waivers to be sent to the minors (out of options), so that may have some bearing on the final roster. Or we'll just see a couple of minor trades at the end of ST.
Carlos Zambrano – Got a shiny new contract and responded with his worst full season in major league baseball. Maybe that’s a little too harsh. Big Z came through with a 118 ERA+ and one excellent postseason start.
My problem was the inconsistency. He tended to be either great or terrible. He didn't have too many ok starts. Hopefully just by limiting the terrible starts (and turning them into mediocre), he'll have a good bounceback year.
Ryan Dempster
As you hinted, it sure sounds like his spot is assured right now. Lou was pleased with his initial ST outing. I'm cautiously pessimistic on this one. If it doesn't work, Lou's not going to stick with it. So that's the silver lining, I guess.
The Cubs are in good shape to have that for their 7th or 8th best starting option.
I agree. For some reason, I just hate Sean Marshall and am honestly surprised whenever he has a good outing. But that low on the depth chart, I can live with. Maybe he'd be better out of the pen, perhaps as a LOOGY. I dunno.
Kevin Hart – Has had one good year in professional ball to date. Lou took a shine to him so don’t be too surprised if he gets a chance to stick in the event of injury.
Unless they want to keep him as a starter (which is possible), I expect him to make the pen out of ST. He'll be, at worst, the long man out of the pen.
I don't know what his numbers were in his limited duty, but he sure *looked* outstanding. Maybe that's just how bad Kendall and Barrett were. But he looks like he should be able to keep the job even if he can't hit.
I agree. For some reason, I just hate Sean Marshall and am honestly surprised whenever he has a good outing. But that low on the depth chart, I can live with. Maybe he'd be better out of the pen, perhaps as a LOOGY. I dunno.
Marshall has shown virtually zero platoon split in the majors so far - that's about 230 innings. If he wants to have any sort of career he will have to find a way to do much better against left handed hitters or stick in the rotation.
I'll do that, assuming the other player isn't one of the higher guys. The best part of that deal is that none of those guys are being counted on to do that much at the major league level this season (and maybe not even next). If the Roberts thing is in play, just get it over with already. I'm tired of reading about it, and will try not to comment on it again unless the trade is happenning.
I didn't say he'd be a good LOOGY, but if his role is limited his numbers could end up looking pretty shiny.
Theriot, MLB Career: .276/.341/.379
Cedeño's career spans ages 22-24. Theriot's mostly 26-27. We probably know what we're getting with Theriot, and it's pretty marginal offensively even for a SS in the major leagues. With Cedeño, not so much.
You should talk, you True Blue Male Prostitute deJesus Freak.
The Cubs were 8th in the NL in runs scored last year, which I put closer to "average or maybe even good" than "not good at all" or "downright sucky"
They finished 11 runs ahead of San Diego and 17 runs ahead of the Dodgers. It's probably more accurate to say they were the 10th best offense in the NL ahead of San Francisco, Washington, Arizona, Houston, Pittsburgh and St. Louis.
My intuitive mental adjustment for the DH & park probably puts the Cubs ahead of the White Sox, Royals and Twins. I would guess they are slightly ahead of Oakland (11 more runs than the A's despite no DH but in a much friendlier park for offense), maybe Baltimore and maybe Toronto. My (very debatable) guess is Chicago was around a 17-20 ranking among all the MLB offenses.
Why don't you get a life and stop signing up for a place you know will ban you?
As for the Zambrano comment, he doesn't mean any more to the Cubs than Sheets does to the Brewers. Both teams really need that ace since after the #2 guy I don't think they have great pitching.
Gonfalon Cubs is nice, but why not "Ruthless Pricks"?
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